Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
That could be your objective - the master of spin as you are :-) Whether Kohima is foreign to Dilli or not is not the objective of our discussions. Just as you expect Biharis and Marwaris to assimilate more into Oxomiya culture, the same holds true for us who migrate to other states. Be aware of local sensibilities is a phrase that should apply to anybody, not just Bihari labourers working 11 hrs a day in some brick kiln or pulling rickshaws somewhere near Phency Bozar. As far as Dilli is concerned, even local women are unsafe there - just read the newspapers. Therefore the need to exercise caution is even more paramount. Again since you are not affected by any of this, you fail to see the specific issue at hand now. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:08:36 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi At 6:44 AM -0700 7/14/07, SANDIP DUTTA wrote: These kind of discussions are not going to help one single NE person who may or may not face the kind of discrimination we talk about. *** We are missing the point. Prevention of tyranny of the majority is not the aim here. That is the responsibility of the 'great Indian democracy' . But ours is to point out its dysfunction and to educate our people about what NOT to expect from it. Assam.org cannot change the way Haryanvis think about NE, atleast for the time being. This is a practical situation on the ground. As we cannot change the fact that Haryanvis dominate the Delhi police and have little or no knowledge about NE, we have to be a bit more judicious for the time being instead of thinking like we were in the middle of Kohima. *** Why should Kohima be foreign to Dilli, if Dilli claims Kohima to be its integral part? Is this not an utterly untenable proposition? BTW, Isnt the Ulfa targetting Hindi speakers for similar racist reasons - and blowing them with bombs? *** ULFA and its actions are RESULTs of Indian policies and attitudes that remain unchangeable as you point out yourself. They are NOT its causes. Rgds, Sandip Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see anything wrong in discussing the issue. In fact it should be discussed. But I agree with most of the points made here. Very well said! . If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; but they all consider us as not of the mainstream. *** And what that means is that we are different. It is a fact. We ought to be secure about it, and not seek to be like them :-). If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that. *** Exactly! The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic tourists. *** There is a major MYTH here, however. The so-called 'westernization' of Indians cannot be further from the truth. Even a very large percentage of the so-called NRIs living in the west are NOT really westernized and live sheltered lives, divorced from the life of the communities where they do, hopelessly attempting to hold on to what they consider Indian--which, incidentally, varies widely from one group to the other, while each ethnic group remain largely divorced from others from the same 'India' they came from . The parochialism is brutal. Perhaps worse than what it might be in some more pluralistic of Indian metropolitan environments. Westernization in India is, at best, a mindless copy of the most superficial of traits of what is considered 'western', usually as created by Bollywood or as registered from fleeting images on the internet today. The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. *** It really is a manifestation of the attitude that pervades the general Indian outlook: That numbers rule. My way or the highway. While it argued that it is an universal human trait, the difference lies in to recognize the rights of the numerical minorities, protecting them with FUNCTIONING institutions of state: Constitutional safeguards backed up with law enforcement, and effective conflict resolution mechanisms, like courts
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is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that. In so far as 'assimilation' is concerned, it cannot be done conciously or forcefully. A Marwari in Assam now a days can earn his living without having to learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even many Assamese do without their language and some of them feel proud about that! The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic tourists. The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi authorities should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed, without discrimination? I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own time and energy on this issue. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think is a better choice : 1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like . 2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide. Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1. Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress
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More American than an American. AND/OR *** What such high qualifications of the vaunted meritocracy of desi-babudom really mean. At 4:21 PM +0100 7/15/07, uttam borthakur wrote: More American than an American. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Hibu, himself a North-Easterner (from Nagaland) and an IPS from Arunachal Pradesh cadre *** Doesn't that explain everything :-)? At 2:08 PM +0100 7/15/07, utpal borpujari wrote: what is most unfortunate is that the booklet has been authored by Robin Hibu, himself a North-Easterner (from Nagaland) and an IPS from Arunachal Pradesh cadre. An advisory to students is not an unwelcome step, but the way it has been done is the most insensitive way to do it. The least Delhi Police and Hibu (again, he being from the NE) could have done was to consult representatives of organizations of NE students in Delhi (every state/ethnic community from NE has its own student body in Delhi), as well as prominent NE people residing in Delhi. - Utpal Borpujari / New Delhi Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: xourov pathok http://uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=87407y5beta=yesy5beta=yesorder=downsort=datepos=0view=aMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi To: http://uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=87407y5beta=yesy5beta=yesorder=downsort=datepos=0view=aMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be assam@assamnet.org Message-ID: http://uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=87407y5beta=yesy5beta=yesorder=downsort=datepos=0view=aMailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from uk.f514.mail.yahoo.com claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asphttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into ?mainland? ?Northeast? NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police?s advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. ?There is no mainland, you are the mainland,? he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the ?mainstream?. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the police?s advice not to create a ?ruckus in the neighbourhood? by cooking ?smelly dishes? and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. ?The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent,? Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. ?I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South,? he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. ?How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress?? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/security_centre/*http://uk.security.yahoo.com/Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur 5, 50, 500, 5000. Store N number of mails in your inbox. http
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and energy on this issue. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think is a better choice : 1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like . 2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide. Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1. Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/yahoo_com/security_centre/*http://uk.security.yahoo.com/Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org We won't tell. Get more on http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265shows you hate to love (and love to hate): http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49980/*http://tv.yahoo.com
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believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own time and energy on this issue. *** Here I differ. Unless it is discussed, people will remain uneducated about its, and so will its ramifications. Indian intelligentsia's absence from dealing with these issues is the reason they remain operative. At 1:21 PM +0100 7/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote: Is there any point in pursuing this discussion? There is an assumption here that INDIANS, other than NORTH EASTERNERS, consider other Indians mainstream, but do not have the same attitude towards the North Easterners. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; but they all consider us as not of the mainstream. Why is that so? If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that. In so far as 'assimilation' is concerned, it cannot be done conciously or forcefully. A Marwari in Assam now a days can earn his living without having to learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even many Assamese do without their language and some of them feel proud about that! The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic tourists. The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi authorities should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed, without discrimination? I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own time and energy on this issue. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think is a better choice : 1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like . 2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide. Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1. Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor
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as 'assimilation' is concerned, it cannot be done conciously or forcefully. A Marwari in Assam now a days can earn his living without having to learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even many Assamese do without their language and some of them feel proud about that! The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic tourists. The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi authorities should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed, without discrimination? I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our own time and energy on this issue. *Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: What do you think is a better choice : 1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like . 2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide. Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1. *Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo *Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo *SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? *xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into 'mainland' 'Northeast' NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police's advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the police's advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue
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The rulers must achieve divine insight and acquire divine qualities to solve such problems. The present philistines simply cannot solve these problems, it is simply beyond them. They go into protected hibernation-sending lakhs of ablebodied youth to Suppress-or be killed(and compensated with money stolen from people).Mera Bhaarat Mahaan. mm Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:13:00 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I personally cannot read the mind of a particular organisation. But I have seen from my childhood days such conflicts in Assam. I think, after the emergence of 'nations' nation states' such conflicts are a rule than an exception. 'Nationalism' is a very strong sentiment indeed. However, rational people would always like to understand the problem and find ways for conflict resoltion. It is not that it is an easy job. Today's world bears testimony to its ramifications. Whatever a particular organisation is doing may not be correct, but there is no denying the fact that a section of the people of Assam, however microscopic, may support such activities, and we must understand that one cannot hatch chicken from a rounded stone, it got to be an egg. The only conclusion therefore is that such activities gather fuel from a sense of deprivation, may be illusory may be not, and it is a kind of a backlash. But we cannot wish it away with harsh words of condemnation. Even if you bribe some of them, subdue some, but there will always be someone, may be marginalised, to keep the fire alive. The rulers must achieve divine insight and acquire divine qualities to solve such problems. The present philistines simply cannot solve these problems, it is simply beyond them. SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These kind of discussions are not going to help one single NE person who may or may not face the kind of discrimination we talk about. This is a practical situation on the ground. As we cannot change the fact that Haryanvis dominate the Delhi police and have little or no knowledge about NE, we have to be a bit more judicious for the time being instead of thinking like we were in the middle of Kohima. Assam.org cannot change the way Haryanvis think about NE, atleast for the time being. BTW, Isnt the Ulfa targetting Hindi speakers for similar racist reasons - and blowing them with bombs? Rgds, Sandip Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see anything wrong in discussing the issue. In fact it should be discussed. But I agree with most of the points made here. Very well said! . If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; but they all consider us as not of the mainstream. *** And what that means is that we are different. It is a fact. We ought to be secure about it, and not seek to be like them :-). If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that. *** Exactly! The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of Delhi students, western or domestic tourists. *** There is a major MYTH here, however. The so-called 'westernization' of Indians cannot be further from the truth. Even a very large percentage of the so-called NRIs living in the west are NOT really westernized and live sheltered lives, divorced from the life of the communities where they do, hopelessly attempting to hold on to what they consider Indian--which, incidentally, varies widely from one group to the other, while each ethnic group remain largely divorced from others from the same 'India' they came from . The parochialism is brutal. Perhaps worse than what it might be in some more pluralistic of Indian metropolitan environments. Westernization in India is, at best, a mindless copy of the most superficial of traits of what is considered 'western', usually as created by Bollywood or as registered from fleeting images on the internet today. The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities towards our boys and girls studying there. *** It really is a manifestation of the attitude that pervades the general Indian outlook: That numbers rule. My way or the highway. While it argued that it is an universal human trait, the difference lies in to recognize the rights of the numerical minorities, protecting them
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The conception that the America is the melting pot of different cultures is no longer valid.Its immigrant communities are more or less characterized by a new trait called 'salad bowl' in which each and every community retains their own characteristics while trying to integrate with the American mainstream.It is the diversity in unity.That's why we have entities like Assam Association/Assam Net,Gujrati samaj so on and so forth. The student community of North East India may choose to lead a cloistered life in Delhi and that's their choice.No one has the inherent right to admonish them for doing so.Compartmentalization is a normal human instinctive behaviour meaning that the human beings tend to stick to their own people and stay away from the unknown.The so- called '' provocative dress' of the tribal girls may draw significant attraction of unholy thought by the male species of Delhi,but that does not mean that they are entitled to rape them. I can't be at one with Mr.Mani Shankar Ayer's assertion that Shillong is the mainland.Had that been the case,the Scheduled tribe would not have been defined as a particular group that is geographically isolated from the mainstream and had strong sense of ethnic solidarity and exhibit ethnic distinctiveness from the national society. KJD On 7/13/07, SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing called MUST. It is upto the individual. Whether you assimilate or not, the consequences will be for you to bear. If I insist on putting tilak every day on my entire forehead while walking through Times square while going to work and be stared at, I can only blame myself. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25:07 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo *Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo *SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? *xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into 'mainland' 'Northeast' NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police's advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the police's advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his
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What do you think is a better choice : 1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like . 2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide. Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1. Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... - Food fight
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Educate the mainstream Indians that India If they can be Educated/Re-educated at all. mm Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:11:13 +0100From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhiWhat do you think is a better choice :1. Ask the NE people to be more mainstream like in their food or dress habits. May be even suggest they undergo plastic surgery to look more mainstream like .2. Educate the mainstream Indians that India is a diverse country and not all look like Harayanvi and honorable practises like dowry and female infanticide.Looks like Delhi police will choose option 1.Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture?If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s.bestPriyankooPriyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation.bestPriyankooSANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AMSubject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i seeit is getting worse.xhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.aspRight intentions, wrong message- Delhi police accused of dividing India into‘mainland’ ‘Northeast’NISHIT DHOLABHAINew Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s advisory to youthsfrom the Northeast studying in the capital is beingseen by most as segregating the region from theso-called mainland.The minister for development of the northeasternregion (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recentlydiscouraged the use of this syntax. “There is nomainland, you are the mainland,” he had told areporter in Shillong.Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the bookletreleased by Delhi police, but those who respondedseemed to cringe at the thought of someone advisingstudents from the region to change their food habits,customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the“mainstream”.Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at JawaharlalNehru University, said the police’s advice not tocreate a “ruckus in the neighbourhood” by cooking“smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, tosay the least.“The police come up with these advisories, but thereis no implementation. There should be a departmentalmemo of some sort that if a person from the Northeastis harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta said.Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, saidthe advisory was tantamount to undermining the abilityof Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. “Iwonder if they have given such booklets to studentsfrom the South,” he said.Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet waswell-intentioned could not mask the sense ofdiscrimination.Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and hisCongress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was nodenying the need to spruce up security for studentsfrom the region in view of some incidents in therecent past. But commenting on food habits andclothing was unfair, the duo said.“How can one tell somebody what to eat and how todress?” Sarma asked.Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities.Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC___assam mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___assam mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___assam mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.orgDex matho eta dharona, thikonar
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having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.___ assam mailing list assam
Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into mainland Northeast NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi polices advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. There is no mainland, you are the mainland, he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the mainstream. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the polices advice not to create a ruckus in the neighbourhood by cooking smelly dishes and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent, Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South, he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress? Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
There is no such thing called MUST. It is upto the individual. Whether you assimilate or not, the consequences will be for you to bear. If I insist on putting tilak every day on my entire forehead while walking through Times square while going to work and be stared at, I can only blame myself. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:25:07 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi and why people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese population never trying to assimilate with the local culture? If there is a failure on part of the NE population in assimilating to the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non- Assamese population in Assam never assimilated to the local culture/s. best Priyankoo Priyankoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assimilation is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and don'ts to people from a particular region. In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of assimilation. best Priyankoo SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no problem with assimilation for students or citizens from Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other parts of India too. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi I wonder if similar circular was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding the spices we use), how would the Indians react ? xourov pathok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see it is getting worse. x http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp Right intentions, wrong message - Delhi police accused of dividing India into ‘mainland’ ‘Northeast’ NISHIT DHOLABHAI New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police’s advisory to youths from the Northeast studying in the capital is being seen by most as segregating the region from the so-called mainland. The minister for development of the northeastern region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently discouraged the use of this syntax. “There is no mainland, you are the mainland,” he had told a reporter in Shillong. Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet released by Delhi police, but those who responded seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising students from the region to change their food habits, customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the “mainstream”. Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal Nehru University, said the police’s advice not to create a “ruckus in the neighbourhood” by cooking “smelly dishes” and dress decently was gratuitous, to say the least. “The police come up with these advisories, but there is no implementation. There should be a departmental memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast is harmed, punishment will be stringent,” Gupta said. Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. “I wonder if they have given such booklets to students from the South,” he said. Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was well-intentioned could not mask the sense of discrimination. Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no denying the need to spruce up security for students from the region in view of some incidents in the recent past. But commenting on food habits and clothing was unfair, the duo said. “How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to dress?” Sarma asked. Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Dex matho eta dharona, thikonar xex xari... Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers
