Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Chan Mahanta]

Well, well, well!

I guess what WAS good for the gander will have to BE good for the 
goose too :-).




















At 8:53 AM -0600 7/6/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
I know Moses looks like Charlton Heston, the Virgin Mary like the 
one I saw in a grotto at a cathedral inShillong, and Jesus looks 
like that actor from Passion of the Christ :)


Jesus!:)

Ram



On 7/6/07, Dilip/Dil Deka 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you want to go further - How did the followers come up with the 
icons for Jesus, Buddha, Mahavir Jain?
As you know there is no icon for prophet Muhammed because Muslims 
don't allow it. I was wondering if a movie was ever made where 
prophet Muhammed was a character.

Dilip
=


"Mohan R. Palleti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

C' da:
The same way I guess as they made statue's of Ram, Krishna or Siva
Hindu's identify the God's with the garb and paraphernelia of the idol.

Same goes with Lady Liberty


Mohan





 >I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.



 I can believe that. But what I get more curious about, is how they
 decided what this Manu looked like to make a statue of his?

 Perhaps it was an abstraction? Like a body without a face ? Or a
 piece of stone with a nameplate at the bottom identifying it as Manu
 :-)?










 At 8:41 AM -0400 7/6/07, Mohan R. Palleti wrote:

You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
pertaining to a particular religion.

As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.

A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be
 a
offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of
 a
intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
belonging to any particular caste or creed.

But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently. -:)

Mohan R. Palleti






 Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
 Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures
 in
 public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
 I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
 civilization.
 RB

 - Original Message -
 From: "Chan Mahanta"


 >>> To:

 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
 Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial



  Is it a simple, harmless symbol of cultural heritage? Or is
 there a whole lot more to it?

 cm




 THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS


 
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp


 When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
 Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
 installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
 proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
 never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
 of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
 all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
 Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
 from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
 because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.

 


 We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
 justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
 The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
 through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
 law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
 perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
 to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
 that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
 is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
 are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
 could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
 enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
 Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
 Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
 an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
 judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
 contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?

 The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
 it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after

 >> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered 

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Ram Sarangapani]

I know Moses looks like Charlton Heston, the Virgin Mary like the one I saw
in a grotto at a cathedral inShillong, and Jesus looks like that actor from
Passion of the Christ :)

Jesus!:)

Ram



On 7/6/07, Dilip/Dil Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you want to go further - How did the followers come up with the icons
for Jesus, Buddha, Mahavir Jain?
As you know there is no icon for prophet Muhammed because Muslims don't
allow it. I was wondering if a movie was ever made where prophet
Muhammed was a character.
Dilip
=

*"Mohan R. Palleti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

C' da:
The same way I guess as they made statue's of Ram, Krishna or Siva
Hindu's identify the God's with the garb and paraphernelia of the idol.

Same goes with Lady Liberty


Mohan


>
>> >I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>
>
> I can believe that. But what I get more curious about, is how they
> decided what this Manu looked like to make a statue of his?
>
> Perhaps it was an abstraction? Like a body without a face ? Or a
> piece of stone with a nameplate at the bottom identifying it as Manu
> :-)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 8:41 AM -0400 7/6/07, Mohan R. Palleti wrote:
>>You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
>>pertaining to a particular religion.
>>
>>As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>>
>>A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be
>> a
>>offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of
>> a
>>intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
>>of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
>>belonging to any particular caste or creed.
>>
>>But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
>>the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently.
-:)
>>
>>Mohan R. Palleti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
>>> Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures
>>> in
>>> public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
>>> I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
>>> civilization.
>>> RB
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chan Mahanta"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>>>
>>>
  Is it a simple, harmless symbol of cultural heritage? Or is
 there a whole lot more to it?

 cm




 THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS


http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp

 When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
 Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
 installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
 proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
 never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
 of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
 all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
 Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
 from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
 because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.


 We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
 justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
 The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
 through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
 law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
 perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
 to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
 that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
 is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
 are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
 could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
 enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
 Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
 Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
 an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
 judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
 contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?

 The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
 it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after
>> >> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be
 removed within 48 h

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Dilip/Dil Deka]

If you want to go further - How did the followers come up with the icons for 
Jesus, Buddha, Mahavir Jain? 
  As you know there is no icon for prophet Muhammed because Muslims don't allow 
it. I was wondering if a movie was ever made where prophet Muhammed was a 
character. 
  Dilip
  =

"Mohan R. Palleti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  C' da:
The same way I guess as they made statue's of Ram, Krishna or Siva
Hindu's identify the God's with the garb and paraphernelia of the idol.

Same goes with Lady Liberty


Mohan


>
>> >I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>
>
> I can believe that. But what I get more curious about, is how they
> decided what this Manu looked like to make a statue of his?
>
> Perhaps it was an abstraction? Like a body without a face ? Or a
> piece of stone with a nameplate at the bottom identifying it as Manu
> :-)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 8:41 AM -0400 7/6/07, Mohan R. Palleti wrote:
>>You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
>>pertaining to a particular religion.
>>
>>As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>>
>>A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be
>> a
>>offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of
>> a
>>intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
>>of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
>>belonging to any particular caste or creed.
>>
>>But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
>>the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently. -:)
>>
>>Mohan R. Palleti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
>>> Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures
>>> in
>>> public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
>>> I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
>>> civilization.
>>> RB
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chan Mahanta" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>>>
>>>
  Is it a simple, harmless symbol of cultural heritage? Or is
 there a whole lot more to it?

 cm




 THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS

 http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp

 When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
 Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
 installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
 proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
 never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
 of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
 all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
 Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
 from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
 because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.


 We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
 justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
 The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
 through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
 law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
 perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
 to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
 that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
 is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
 are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
 could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
 enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
 Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
 Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
 an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
 judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
 contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?

 The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
 it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after
>> >> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be
 removed within 48 hours. We were all happy, but soon after that the
 Vishwa Hindu Parishad's Acharya Dharmendra filed a writ petition in
 the court of Justice Mahender Bhushan, who passed a stay order on
 July 27, 1989 - as a result the statue is the

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Mohan R. Palleti]

C' da:
The same way I guess as they made statue's of Ram, Krishna or Siva
Hindu's identify the God's with the garb and paraphernelia of the idol.

Same goes with Lady Liberty


Mohan


>
>>  >I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>
>
> I can believe that. But what I get more curious about, is how they
> decided what this Manu looked like to make a statue of his?
>
> Perhaps it was an abstraction?  Like a body without a face ? Or a
> piece of stone with a nameplate at the bottom identifying it as Manu
> :-)?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 8:41 AM -0400 7/6/07, Mohan R. Palleti wrote:
>>You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
>>pertaining to a particular religion.
>>
>>As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>>
>>A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be
>> a
>>offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of
>> a
>>intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
>>of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
>>belonging to any particular caste or creed.
>>
>>But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
>>the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently. -:)
>>
>>Mohan R. Palleti
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
>>>  Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures
>>> in
>>>  public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
>>>  I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
>>>  civilization.
>>>  RB
>>>
>>>  - Original Message -
>>>  From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>  To: 
>>>  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
>>>  Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>>>
>>>
   Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is
  there a whole lot more to it?

  cm




  THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS

  http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp

  When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
  Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
  installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
  proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
  never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
  of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
  all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
  Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
  from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
  because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.


  We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
  justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
  The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
  through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
  law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
  perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
  to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
  that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
  is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
  are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
  could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
  enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
  Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
  Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
  an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
  judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
  contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?

  The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
  it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after
>>  >> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be
  removed within 48 hours. We were all happy, but soon after that the
  Vishwa Hindu Parishad's Acharya Dharmendra filed a writ petition in
  the court of Justice Mahender Bhushan, who passed a stay order on
  July 27, 1989 - as a result the statue is there till date. There are
  many cases dating back to 1989 that have seen their final hearings,
  but not this one. Each time this case comes to a final hearing, the
  bench postpones it on the grounds that it is a very sensitive issue.
  But we will not give up easily - we haven't so far, and we will not

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Chan Mahanta]

>  >I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.


I can believe that. But what I get more curious about, is how they 
decided what this Manu looked like to make a statue of his?

Perhaps it was an abstraction?  Like a body without a face ? Or a 
piece of stone with a nameplate at the bottom identifying it as Manu 
:-)?










At 8:41 AM -0400 7/6/07, Mohan R. Palleti wrote:
>You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
>pertaining to a particular religion.
>
>As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
>been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.
>
>A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be a
>offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of a
>intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
>of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
>belonging to any particular caste or creed.
>
>But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
>the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently. -:)
>
>Mohan R. Palleti
>
>
>
>
>
>>  Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
>>  Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures in
>>  public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
>>  I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
>>  civilization.
>>  RB
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  To: 
>>  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
>>  Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>>
>>
>>>   Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is
>>>  there a whole lot more to it?
>>>
>>>  cm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS
>>>
>>>  http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp
>>>
>>>  When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
>>>  Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
>>>  installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
>>>  proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
>>>  never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
>>>  of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
>>>  all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
>>>  Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
>>>  from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
>>>  because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.
>>>
>>>
>>>  We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
>>>  justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
>>>  The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
>>>  through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
>>>  law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
>>>  perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
>>>  to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
>>>  that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
>>>  is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
>>>  are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
>>>  could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
>>>  enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
>>>  Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
>>>  Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
>>>  an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
>>>  judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
>>>  contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?
>>>
>>>  The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
>>>  it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after
>  >> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be
>>>  removed within 48 hours. We were all happy, but soon after that the
>>>  Vishwa Hindu Parishad's Acharya Dharmendra filed a writ petition in
>>>  the court of Justice Mahender Bhushan, who passed a stay order on
>>>  July 27, 1989 - as a result the statue is there till date. There are
>>>  many cases dating back to 1989 that have seen their final hearings,
>>>  but not this one. Each time this case comes to a final hearing, the
>>>  bench postpones it on the grounds that it is a very sensitive issue.
>>>  But we will not give up easily - we haven't so far, and we will not
>>>  in the future. We will continue to file applications asking for a
>>>  final hearing in this case. We want to see how they will justify
>>>  their deliberate delays.
>>>
>>>  We install statues of Ambedkar because that's our way of reclaiming
>>>  our lost dignity. But why is the government installing a statue

Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Mohan R. Palleti]

You are right! A government office should not be putting up a idol
pertaining to a particular religion.

As regards to Manu. I believe he is not one person, but many. There has
been many manu's who contributed to the manu shastra.

A manu is a person who is supposed to be casteless. He is supposed to be a
offspring of a manov and danov. In today's parlance he is the product of a
intercaste or inter-state/community marriage. He was vested with the job
of writing the hindu laws, because he was thought to be impartial, not
belonging to any particular caste or creed.

But like any humane person, he too was falible. If a Manu was to rewrite
the manu smriti, he would definitely have written it differently. -:)

Mohan R. Palleti





> Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian
> Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures in
> public place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless?
> I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian
> civilization.
> RB
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
> Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>
>
>>  Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is
>> there a whole lot more to it?
>>
>> cm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS
>>
>> http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp
>>
>> When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High
>> Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the
>> installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From
>> proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret,
>> never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator
>> of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied
>> all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of
>> Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us
>> from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is
>> because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.
>>
>>
>> We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect
>> justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
>> The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits
>> through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the
>> law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else,
>> perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid
>> to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and
>> that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court,
>> is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we
>> are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message
>> could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we
>> enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High
>> Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of
>> Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to
>> an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the
>> judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to
>> contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?
>>
>> The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting
>> it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after
>> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be
>> removed within 48 hours. We were all happy, but soon after that the
>> Vishwa Hindu Parishad's Acharya Dharmendra filed a writ petition in
>> the court of Justice Mahender Bhushan, who passed a stay order on
>> July 27, 1989 - as a result the statue is there till date. There are
>> many cases dating back to 1989 that have seen their final hearings,
>> but not this one. Each time this case comes to a final hearing, the
>> bench postpones it on the grounds that it is a very sensitive issue.
>> But we will not give up easily - we haven't so far, and we will not
>> in the future. We will continue to file applications asking for a
>> final hearing in this case. We want to see how they will justify
>> their deliberate delays.
>>
>> We install statues of Ambedkar because that's our way of reclaiming
>> our lost dignity. But why is the government installing a statue of
>> Manu? The very government which is supposed to have no biases towards
>> any religion or caste. Let there be Manu statues wherever anyone
>> pleases, but the government should not be a party to it.
>>
>> Mimroth is a Jaipur-based advocate
>> As told to Praveen Donthi
>>
>>
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Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Rajen & Ajanta Barua]

Is there not a separation of State and Religion in the seculiar Indian 
Constitution which prohibits such display of Hindu religeous figures in public 
place? How can the symbol of Manu harmless? 
I think he is the cause of the overall deteriation of the Indian civilization.
RB

- Original Message - 
From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial


>  Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is 
> there a whole lot more to it?
> 
> cm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS
> 
> http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.asp
> 
> When a new building was constructed in Jaipur for the state High 
> Court, the local Bar Association put forward a proposal for the 
> installation of a statue of Manu to beautify the premises. From 
> proposal to completion, the entire plan was kept a close secret, 
> never made public until the statue was in place. Manu was the creator 
> of the varna system under which Hindu society for centuries denied 
> all basic human rights and dignity to Dalits. For us, a statue of 
> Manu can only symbolise the unjust social structure imposed on us 
> from time immemorial. All the oppression we continue to suffer is 
> because of Manu and his treatise, the Manudharma Sastra.
> 
> 
> We turn to the courts when we are in trouble. Can we ever expect 
> justice from a court which we enter looking at Manu's idol?
> The Constitution has attempted to improve the condition of Dalits 
> through law, but Manu's words have been an unwritten stricture the 
> law cannot touch. Had Manu's statue been installed anywhere else, 
> perhaps we would not have cared to react. But to see such homage paid 
> to a figure who represents all that is unjust in this society, and 
> that too standing proud in the premises of the Rajasthan High Court, 
> is shocking. It is beyond acceptance. We turn to the courts when we 
> are in trouble, which for us is almost perennial. What worse message 
> could we receive? Can we ever expect justice from a court which we 
> enter looking at Manu's idol? It only tells us that even the High 
> Court subscribes to Manu's ideology. On the other hand, the statue of 
> Dr BR Ambedkar, the father of our Constitution, has been shunted to 
> an invisible corner. It says a lot about the mentality of the 
> judiciary and the government in Rajasthan. How is such a system to 
> contribute to the constitutional ideal of a casteless society?
> 
> The statue was installed on June 28, 1989, and we have been fighting 
> it ever since. There were huge protests all over the state soon after 
> it was put up, and a full bench of the High Court ordered that it be 
> removed within 48 hours. We were all happy, but soon after that the 
> Vishwa Hindu Parishad's Acharya Dharmendra filed a writ petition in 
> the court of Justice Mahender Bhushan, who passed a stay order on 
> July 27, 1989 - as a result the statue is there till date. There are 
> many cases dating back to 1989 that have seen their final hearings, 
> but not this one. Each time this case comes to a final hearing, the 
> bench postpones it on the grounds that it is a very sensitive issue. 
> But we will not give up easily - we haven't so far, and we will not 
> in the future. We will continue to file applications asking for a 
> final hearing in this case. We want to see how they will justify 
> their deliberate delays.
> 
> We install statues of Ambedkar because that's our way of reclaiming 
> our lost dignity. But why is the government installing a statue of 
> Manu? The very government which is supposed to have no biases towards 
> any religion or caste. Let there be Manu statues wherever anyone 
> pleases, but the government should not be a party to it.
> 
> Mimroth is a Jaipur-based advocate
> As told to Praveen Donthi
> 
> 
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Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Chan Mahanta]

How succinct, Santanu :-)!















At 2:54 PM -0500 7/5/07, Roy, Santanu wrote:
>C-da:
>The symbol can only be as harmless as the heritage it represents :-).
>Santanu.
>
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Chan Mahanta
>Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:01 PM
>To: assam@assamnet.org
>Subject: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial
>
> Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is
>there a whole lot more to it?
>
>cm
>
>
>
>
>THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS
>
>http://www.tehelka.com/story_main31.asp?filename=Cr070707shadow_lines.as
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Re: [Assam] From Tehelka---Manu's Memorial

[Roy, Santanu]

C-da: 
The symbol can only be as harmless as the heritage it represents :-). 
Santanu. 

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 Is it a simple, harmless symbol of  cultural heritage? Or is 
there a whole lot more to it?

cm




THE WORSHIP OF FALSE GODS

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