Ram-da,
I think Indian amry did initiate an inquiry in Manorama Devi case after local outcry -- but I remember the Central Congress Ministers labelling it later - as a case where females became naked in public in Manipur and alleged that one of them was raped later.
I do not know what is happening now about the inquiry.
Umesh
----------------------------
Ram-da wrote:
In the Manoram case, did the jawans go scott-free? Was there a policy
in the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage?
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
in the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage?
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Umesh
> I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East
> India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel
> strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights
> groups.
> Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July
> 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make
> mistakes and that Human Rights groups are stupid?
This is not a logical question and totally unfair. Just because
someone supports the British cops does not mean they are giving tacit
approval to the attackers of Manorama.
In the case of the British cops, the decision was to be made in a split second.
A error in judgement can be made. I don't think that was the case in
the rape of Manorama. It was probably ! planned, and carried out by
jawans who have such proclivities.
They are apples & oranges.
RK and C'da have categorically said that this is a tradegy.
London: The errant officers mau pay the price (thrown of the jobs
etc), but the real culprit is the British policy of 'shoot-to-kill'
and their sluething . Add to that the inexperience of the officers in
firearms. The shoot-to-kill policy is defended on the grounds that a
sucide bomber would be carrying explosives on his chest/back, so the
suspect should be shot in the head. The Brazillian was shot 8 times
from reports (7 to his head, and 1 to the shoulder).
--An overkill one could aptly say.
Assam/Kashmir: Inspite of the horrors of Manorama Devi or other
attrocities, the Indian Govt. does not have a policy of
'shoot-to-kill'. Moreover, Britain is supposedly a paragon of
standards, efficiencies, Human rights and secularism. How do you
compare British inefficiencies wit! h Indian inefficiencies?
IMHO, the officers did what was expected of them under the
circumstances - to follow guidelines. Just like Abu Graibh. In the
end, the culprit is the faulty guideline, and not so much the officers
following them.
In the Manoram case, did the jawans go scott-free? Was there a policy
in the Indian Govt. that jawans are allowed to rape and pillage?
--Ram da
On 7/26/05, umesh sharma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> Rini-ji,
>
> I wonder this support you extend to the army men deployed in North East
> India and Kashmir also. I realize that you being based at UK do feel
> strongly in support of British police -- and speak against the Human Rights
> groups.
>
> Do you also support the rape and killing of Manorama Devi of Manipur in July
> 2004 - allegedly by Indian armymen-- that they too are humans and can make
> mistakes and that Human Rights groups ! are stupid?
>
> Umesh
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Rini-ji wrote:
>
> The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers,
> all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their
> pens ready to dash off the writs.
>
>
> Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our
> policemen must be equipped to deal with them.
> They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on
> fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a
> terrorist and not an electrician.
>
> Rini Kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> There is no doubt that this is an absolute tragedy. Have you made a mistake
> at work recently. I did. In fact I do it all the time, little judgements
> calls that go wrong. Spare a thought then fo! r the policemen responsible for
> the shooting of Brazilian Electrician.
>
>
> But while most of us can walk away from our mistakes relatively unscathed,
> those involved now can expect to be charged, face loosing their jobs and
> even going to jail. But to me -- it is exactly this kind of nonsense that
> cannot be allowed to happen.
> The so called Human rights, countries Legal Aid system -- Liberal lawyers,
> all must be rubbing their hands in glee as they begin to sharpening their
> pens ready to dash off the writs.
>
>
> Firearms are tragically, part and parcel of modern criminal society and our
> policemen must be equipped to deal with them.
> They are patrolling London's streets today. Knowing they could be called on
> fire their weapons at any moment, hoping against hope their target is a
> terrorist and not an electrician.
>
>
> Of course the ! security services have to be accountable. But make no mistake,
> we are at war here. Not since the Second World War has London been under
> such sustained attack.
> Those loonies are still on the lose desperate to blow themselves up and take
> as many Londoners with them as possible. If any one of them come any where
> near me while I am at the tube or bus, I want to know that an armed
> policeman will not hesitate to shoot. I don't want images of internal
> inquires, sackings and courtrooms flashing through his mind.
>
>
> If we are to ask them to be responsible for our security we must be prepared
> to take the consequences, when things inevitably go wrong.
> Every politician in this country needs to have the conviction to get behind
> our policemen at this crucial time or we may as well surrender to the
> terrorists now.
>
>
> It turn out the Brazilian shot by police on t! he tube was almost certainly in
> the country illegally. His immigration status would explain why he ran away
> from police, and ignored repeated requests to surrender. The Brazilian must
> have been aware of the heightened tension in London. So his behaviour was
> not only suspicious it was suicidally reckless.
> It obviously does not justify him being killed. But he was in the wrong
> place at the wrong time and undoubtedly contributed to his own death, tragic
> as it was.
>
>
> No doubt there will be an explanation in due course. All of this is
> supposition, but there can be no arguing with the fact that, had he obeyed
> the police he would still have been alive.
> Predictably, some of our Asian community leaders have been quick to complain
> about racial profiling by police.
>
>
> But since all suicide bombers in London have been young Muslim men with dark
> skin! s, who are Scotland Yard expected to target -- Scandinavians,
> Seventh-Day Adventists ?
> Mr. de Menezes was Brazilian, but he did not have a physical resemblance to
> the bombers. It is an unfortunate consequence of the Islamist terror
> campaign that decent Muslims and other young men with dusky skin will come
> under suspicion.
>
>
> Unfortunately we are just going to live with it -- just as genuine white men
> were singled out for body search on their way into football grounds because
> of the behaviour of a hooligan minority.
>
> Rini Kakati
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