[asom] Re: Brikodar Baruar Biya
Wish Amlan all the best in getting a Dhuniya Axomiya soyali soon. Just wanted to make some observations. I fully aggree with you on the need to learn one's own mother toungue. That should be part of the growing up process where you learn about your own culture. However what you observed in Germany or Holland may be good for them since they are countries with few groups speaking anything apart from their German or Dutch as their mother toungue. The ones who come in from abroad on the lookout for oppurtunities are automatically expected to fall in line. However this situation cannot succeed in India where you have SO MANY languages. Here, overemphasis on one's mother toungue can only lead to disaster. Over here, we are in a phase where we need more people to be able to travel and work freely in any part of India, quickly move about and generate more oppurtunities not only for their own but for others as well. They should be able to work in an environment free of language, caste and creed hangups because that is the only way forward for India. Even if you take Assam's case, everyone does not want to call Assamese their mother toungue inspite of being sons of the soil. So if everyone starts learning only Assamese, Boro or Bengali as the case may be, where does that leave us. Maybe the girls speaking Hinglish sounded offensive to you but atleast they are trying and that is the language of the new Indian generation all over the country, like it or not. Since only English and Hindi can qualify to unify the nation, more and more of us should learn them however so we can. Rgds, SD Re: Amlan's email http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2704 moderator edited, assamonline Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [asom] Brikodar Baruar Biya
Great reply Bhuban! He couldnt have hit the nail on the head better. I myself know dozens of sandalwood pasting Tamilians who speak much better hindi than most north indians and definetely better than our Assamese brothers who watch Hindi serials day in and day out. One of these "tamilians" even insists on using only hindi/hindustani words and not some masala mix of urdu and english. Rgds, SD - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2006 8:55:39 PM Subject: Re: [asom] Brikodar Baruar Biya Only theTamilians seem to be different with a sandalwood pasted forehead, rasam-sambar, and their language whether in Zunheboto or Napa Valley. But for them Hindi would have blown us over many times now. My gratitude to them. BTW how about making the learning of an Indian non-Hindi) compulsory for the Hindies? Just as Hindi is being pushed through our throats they also should be made to savour the taste of another language, otherwise where is the fun of integration. I fully agree with the core of the letter. My observations concern only with the quote. It is true that once you visit Tamilnadu or some other Southern States of India, you do feel that Hindi has not made a good deal of success in these States. But there are thousands and thousands of South Indians working outside the State, in the capital of India itself, and then in the Armed forces, in commercial undertakings and so on, who learn Hindi and speak the language with pride for being able to speak it, say like those living in Delhi like the Delhi-ites themselves. A high official of the Parliament's Secretariat once told me that his Tamil Office Assistants wrote better Hindi than their native Hindi speaking colleagues from UP or elsewhere. All India Officers posted to different States do have to acquire proficiency in local languages. And some do learn the languages very well. People do learn another tongue out of need or compulsion, if not just for the love of it. And, yes, for love as well! Just I now remember a non-Welshman receiving highest accolade for contribution to the Welsh language, a language which many Wales do not speak. Then an Indian becoming a celebrity for his contribution to gypsy culture of the world! Bhuban Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
Its not a question of what he didn't do. It could be that he did try to do a few things but then the question is whether he got any support from his political bosses and the rudderless pressure groups. There are many here who would question the actions of others without really having contributed anything concrete themselves. Rgds, SD - Original Message From: shantikam hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:51:45 PM Subject: [asom] Re: Assamese Fears and Saviours I think nothing can be more pathetic and ironical than the questions now being raised by Mr. Rajkhowa. What did he do as the chief bureaucrat of Assam to safeguard assamese everything? Shantikam hazarika From: Partha Gogoi partha_gogoi@ yahoo.com To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [asom] Re: Assamese Fears and Saviours Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:32:05 - Starting with the long winding article on "God Save Asom and the Asomiyas" by JP Rajkhowa - it seems that he is a good successor to the founder editor of Sentinel, Mr Dhiren Bezboruah. But one must ask Mr JP Rajkhowa if he's trying to "close" the stable door after the horse has "bolted"? Perhaps, one might even ask - what was he doing when he was the Chief Secretary - such a powerful position - the state's top officer? See - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2758 - Note from the moderators: Change of subject in replying a message may break the discussion thread in the archive If reply button is not used to reply a message the thread breaks in the archive A big % of our members set their IDs to "No Email", they are archive readers. To help them to get all threads of a discussion topic in one click we need help from each contributor. How to help: Always reply using reply button of the email Do not change the subject while replying Create a brand new email with new subject if topic is different Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
That is the hallmark of an ignorant society. While the ones capable of making a difference only want to reap undue benefits from high office, an equally ignorant populace either goes about just accepting things or just blaming the "centre" - for the centre is a convenient scapegoat. How many of us here are aware of what the state government is capable of doing lawfully and what it must do it fulfill its duties. There have been N number of IAS/IPS officers from other states who have had the oppurtunity to be posted in Assam. These were zealous young people from highly motivated backgrounds. However more often than not they have mostly left Assam after short stints due to sheer frustration. The reason is that some local MLA with connections would always have the upper hand and dictate the way things ought to work. Are we blaming the centre for the miserable condition of our city roads or the chaotic traffic or anything that might make our lives a little easier? BTW, hope you all have read about the recent passage of the "Right to information act". Several dirt poor and desperate people in other states have already started to reap benefits out of it. So as long as we know what the tools are and how best to use them, we can start making a difference to the society instead of only blaming who else - the centre? Rgds, SD - Original Message From: Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:42:53 AM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Most of the people when in power think that, God has sent them perpetually only to enjoy the benefits of power. They do not understand that it is the opportunity to serve the people, who has selected/elected/ appointed them to such elevated positions. Without the society, what use their power, authority, status?? So when given a chance one must give maximum back to the society, after all the society has invested on the person. This does not happen with our myopic people. Mr. Rajkhowa was a forthright and honest officer. But he could have made a difference as the CS. In his place TN Seshan or Kiran Bedi could have done it. Mr. Mahanta and AGP sarkar could have done it. They cannot shift all the blame on an equally indifferent Centre. Let us not forget that 'land' is a state subject and if somebody is occupying govt./forest land without proper document/allotment the occupants can be evicted. I saw some eviction drama being enacted at Guwahati. As soon as the police left the scene, the ram-shackle shanties were back. There is no governance. MKD On 11/14/06, shantikam hazarika wrote: I think nothing can be more pathetic and ironical than the questions now being raised by Mr. Rajkhowa. What did he do as the chief bureaucrat of Assam to safeguard assamese everything? Shantikam hazarika From: Partha Gogoi partha_gogoi@ yahoo.com To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [asom] Re: Assamese Fears and Saviours Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:32:05 - Starting with the long winding article on "God Save Asom and the Asomiyas" by JP Rajkhowa - it seems that he is a good successor to the founder editor of Sentinel, Mr Dhiren Bezboruah. But one must ask Mr JP Rajkhowa if he's trying to "close" the stable door after the horse has "bolted"? Perhaps, one might even ask - what was he doing when he was the Chief Secretary - such a powerful position - the state's top officer? See - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2758 - Note from the moderators: Change of subject in replying a message may break the discussion thread in the archive If reply button is not used to reply a message the thread breaks in the archive A big % of our members set their IDs to "No Email", they are archive readers. To help them to get all threads of a discussion topic in one click we need help from each contributor. How to help: Always reply using reply button of the email Do not change the subject while replying Create a brand new email with new subject if topic is different Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [asom] ULFA recruiting Bangladeshi youth to spread terror
They probably already have Mullahs in their ranks working out logistics. Very soon they will have foot soldiers also. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: Vavani Sarmah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:01:33 AM Subject: [asom] ULFA recruiting Bangladeshi youth to spread terror http://www.rediff. com/news/ 2006/nov/ 23assam.htm ULFA recruiting Bangladeshi youth to spread terror November 23, 2006 11:18 IST Unable to recruit young people from Assam for its operations, the banned United Liberation Front of Asom was now recruiting poor Bangladeshi youths into its ranks for acts of terrorism in the country, according to intelligence sources. "These days, ULFA is finding it difficult to recruit Assamese youth in its ranks. It is now learnt to be recruiting young people from poor families of Bangladesh," the sources told PTI. Stating that the chief of ULFA's army wing, Paresh Barua, is known to have visited Pakistan to seek its assistance in the outfit's activities, the sources said Pakistani youths were also likely to 'very soon' join in the outfit's activities. "In times to come, militancy in Assam will be hijacked by these elements and ULFA will only be a facade and a nominal force tagging along," the sources said, but declined to disclose how soon they expected this to happen. Pointing out that the people of Guwahati quickly restored normalcy after the November 5 twin blasts that left 13 people dead and over 50 injured, the sources expressed apprehension that the ULFA would now seek soft targets like school children and patients. "There is a nagging anxiety that the ULFA may become even more desperate and attack school children and hospitals, the most vulnerable of the lot. Anything dastardly and cowardly as this can now be expected and people should be prepared," they said, claiming that the ULFA's influence on the people of Assam was now on the wane. According to the sources, the November 5 blasts at Guwahati and Noonmati were directed at non-Assamese residents. "The aim of these attacks is to create an atmosphere of insecurity, cause community-centric divide and precipitate an exodus of non-Assamese out of the state. The Brahmaputra Mail, which left Guwahati on November 6 after the blasts, was overcrowded with migrant passengers, mostly women and children from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar," they said. Claiming that the ULFA had used the ceasefire to regroup and re-arm itself to take on the armed forces, the sources said that the security forces and the police were aware of the 'ruse' and had warned the state administration in advance. Pointing out that the explosion at Guwahati was known to have been triggered by a "timed and programmable device," they said that the design and technology had probably been provided by militant outfits of Pakistan or Bangladesh. "The recent spate of firing along the Indo-Bangladesh border was probably designed to aid intrusions of militants into Assam with a view to create a Jammu and Kashmir-like situation there," they said. According to the sources, signs of division have appeared in the ULFA's rank and file with moderates openly coming out against violence and the notion of soverignty. "For the ULFA hardliners soverignty now means Assam's integration within a greater Islamic state comprising Bangladesh and Pakistan as a loose confederation, " the sources said. Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
Re: [asom] Assam: Allotted funds vanish into thin air
Thanks to Koushik for forwarding this link! Guess it should be an eye-opener to everyone waiting to pounce on the CENTRE at every available oppurtunity. All these movements with strikes and insurgency are actually means to blackmail the government (in the name of some CAUSE) and generate/funnel money for a chosen few oppurtunists. The common man's condition will never change, no matter even if his uncle were in charge! Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: http://koushikhazarika.co.nr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:32:13 AM Subject: [asom] Assam: Allotted funds vanish into thin air Assam: Allotted funds vanish into thin air http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?id=96691 See - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2802
Re: [asom] Asom reeling under bloodbaths
Is it because that "Ittefaq" is a Bangladeshi newspaper and therefore it fails to mention that they are harbouring Paresh Barua and co. Rgds, Sandip - Original Message From: KOUSHIK HAZARIKA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 2:15:40 AM Subject: [asom] Asom reeling under bloodbaths Asom reeling under bloodbaths By Nava Thakuria Fri, 19 Jan 2007, 08:34:00 http://nation. ittefaq.com/ artman/publish/ article_33435. shtml The new year 2007 brought sad news for the people of Asom in the first week itself. The Northeast Indian state of Asom received international media headlines for a series of bloodbaths carried out by the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). The armed group, which is fighting New Delhi for an Independent Asom (out of India) since 1979 went on rampage to kill nearly 70 people in three days. The carnage launched on January 6 soon after the dusk and continued for many successive days simultaneously in different parts of the locality to shake the nation's conscience. The gun totting ULFA cadres targeted the poor unarmed victims from zero range and shot at them to death. The mayhem was followed by two explosions in Guwahati, where no causality was reported. The massacre invited spontaneous reaction and grave concern from various levels cutting across the society. The President Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam and the Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh were quick to condemn the massacres terming it as an act of cowardice. Then strong reaction came from the UPA chief Sonia Gandhi and it followed the outburst of anguish from various political party leaders. The Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil to Bihar chief minister Nitish Kumar and the NCP leader (also former Loka Sabha speaker) P.A. Sangma to Asom chief minister Tarun Gogoi everyone expressed grave concern at the carnages. The Union Defence Minister A.K. Antony to the Minister of State for Home Sriprakash Jaisawl and the Railway Minister (also RJD chief ) Lalu Prasad Yadav to JD (U) leader George Fernandez made it possible to visit the locations and met the victim families. Condemnation came from all political parties of Asom and also organizations, which are usually sympathizers to ULFA like Manab Adhikar Sangram Samiti (MASS) and Peoples Committee for Peace Initiatives of Asom (PCPI). Powerful students body, All Assam Students Union (AASU) too came on heavily on the killing of common people in the state. The New Delhi-based Asian Centre for Human Rights (ACHR) termed the killing of those labourers as 'barbaric acts of terrorism'. The Army, paramilitary forces and Asom police had launched a massive counter insurgency operation in Asom and its adjacent state of Arunachal Pradesh, where from the ULFA militants suspectedly carried out those gory massacres. But was the carnage a prompt reaction to an opinion poll that negates that negates the demand of an Independent Asom by ULFA? The January 6 morning witnessed a public meeting in Guwahati to disclose the outcome of the opinion poll, where nearly 96 per cent people of the state expressed big No for ULFA's core demand of a sovereign state out of India. The Guwahati meeting at the District library auditorium also heard many speakers refuting ULFA for their impractical design of arm struggle that only misguides 26 million people of Asom. The opinion poll, conducted by Assam Public Works, a voluntary organization comprising family member and relatives of ULFA cadres was as a signature campaign to know whether the people of the state supported the primary demand of ULFA. All total 25, 64,128 people (from various districts of Dhemaji, Lakhimpur, Sonitpur, Darang, Kamrup, Barpeta , Bongaigaon, Goalpara and Dhubri) participated in the survey, out of them 24, 49,740 rejected the sovereignty demand by the outfit. Till the afternoon, it was big news for the reporters of morning dailies, as the opinion poll was first of its kind in Northeast India. But more cruel news waiting for them, that poured in the evening from upper Asom, where ULFA militants went on killing spree to take the lives of nearly 50 people in single night. The upper Asom districts namely Dibrugarh, Tinchukia, Dhemaji, Sivsagar, Golaghat emerged as theaters for the dances of deaths, where most of the victims were identified as Hindi speaking milk vendors, workers in brick kilns and daily wage earners. They were targeted by ULFA militants at point blank ranges in most of the events (a section of local newspapers received messages from a battalion of the outfit informing their acceptance of responsibility for the incidents). Now the question that arises was ULFA leaders too panic to face the result of the opinion poll. The ULFA chief Arabinda Rajkhowa termed it as a task of Research and Analysis Wing (of India), but even then the outfit exposed its panicky while dealing with the outcome. The armed group might succeeded in sabotaging the prime news space deserved by the opinion poll tha
[asom] Re: Assam & ULFA in 28 years
Well Said! Rgds, SD - Original Message From: Monjit Borgohain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:23:05 PM Subject: [asom] Re: Assam & ULFA in 28 years Ramratan, If you are identifying yourself as a Bengali first, I will suggest that you keep your Marxist, apologitive, self flagellative ideology out of this forum. We are trying to have a serious discussion here. Stay out and limit yourself to the Baloch independence forums. If on the other hand, you consider yourself an Indian, you are most welcome, we will try to read what you write. But please, make sure what you write is not an apologetic, nonsensical diatribe. Jokes apart, peace-activism is serious business. Are you suggesting all linguistic groups in India have nothing in common at all and that we should all go our separate ways ? Throughout history, it has been traitors like you who have been responsible for bringing India ( Bharat ) to her knees. Monjit. wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/3724
[asom] Assam Govt returned fund to GOI
I think this has been happening because the "people's" reps have no clue about financial mgmt or planning. They should either get trained first (prerequisite being they need to have some basic education first) or use bureaucrats who know how to use funds and audit them. RTI may not help because the people answering RTI queries need to know the answers themselves before trying to answer others. Regards, Sandip - Original Message From: rabindeka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 9:24:15 AM Subject: [asom] Assam Govt returned fund to GOI In my opinion "solution centric" issues be considered often to discuss. e.g. It seems every year in the past about December (from my memory hole) Assam Government returned some Funds to Government of India, GOI, while cause of return had been "unable to utilize". Why did this happen in the past? Who do you need to educate and how to educate? What amount of fund will go back by December 2007? Can journalists use RTI to explore facts deeper? Please think about this issue if you can, and come forward with suggestions feedback. Thanks, Rabin
[asom] Corrigendum to the Statement of BHRPC regarding Clash in Guwahti
Human rights orgs are good business these days :-) Regards, Sandip - Original Message From: Ganesh C Bora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 5:48:21 AM Subject: [asom] Corrigendum to the Statement of BHRPC regarding Clash in Guwahti Dear Mr. Laskar, You are in Assam and part and parcel of broader Assamese Society. How can some organization named BHRPC can take initiative to make such offensive statements. It does not matter whether somebody likes it or not! It is immoral, unethical and above all it is illegal in India to make statements which might fuel clash between communities. Mr. Laskar, you mentioned that you are a part of the organization and you helped in drafting it. Before forming a human right organizations, you should know what human right is Have a good day Ganesh C Bora - Original Message From: Waliulllah Ahmed Laskar To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 6:36:35 AM Subject: [asom] Corrigendum to the Statement of BHRPC regarding Clash in Guwahti Dear, This is not my statement. It is the statement of an organisation which is drafted by me. And the mistake was made by be in construction of a sentence is regretted. You may not be agree with the statement. But we respect your view to. After all everybody has the right to dissent. Thanks Yours Wali Laskar - Original Message From: Shantikam Hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2007 8:19:54 AM Subject: [asom] Corrigendum to the Statement of BHRPC regarding Clash in Guwahti Waliullah: It was NOT only single phrase that was offensive. The whole statement was offensive. Inshallah, wisdom will one day dawn on you and you will realise the folly of your mischievious intents. Shantikam Hazarika - Original Message - From: Waliulllah Ahmed Laskar To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: [asom] Corrigendum to the Statement of BHRPC regarding Clash in Guwahti Dear Group Members, The Statement posted by me in this group regarding Violence in Guwahati street on 24th November, 2007 on behalf of the Barak Human Rights Protection Committee, in the capacity of Special Representative of the organisation to the city, contained a sentence to which our many friends in the group raised onjections. The sentence was as follows: "These speak a volume of the attitude of Assamese people towards the tribals which also can explain the barbarity committed against the Adibasis." Here a mistake has been committed by me inadvertently in the construction of the sentence. The sentence rather should be as follows: "These speak a volume of the attitude of some of the Assamese people towards the tribals which also can explain the barbarity committed against the Adibasis." I sincerely regret this mistake and apologize to all the persons who have gone through this statement. Yours With Sincere Regret Waliullah Ahmed Laskar Special Representative to Guwahati Barak Human Rights Protection Committee, 15, Darandha, Panjabari Road, Guwahati-781037. Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/3894 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/3879 --- "Waliulllah Ahmed Laskar" wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/3925
