[asom] Kamrupi development vs Assamese segregation
The topic gathered momentum to a constructive shape. But alas, the mind can not be reshaped. It again has becometh PUNARA MUSHIKA BHAVAHA . Cant help it. Better keep on reading and enlighten ourself. SJ --- On Tue, 12/30/08, deka7kl deka...@gmail.com wrote: From: deka7kl deka...@gmail.com Subject: [asom] Kamrupi development vs Assamese segregation To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 10:19 AM : ... word endangered itself would have to go. Scientists now say that many species could be recreated by their DNA. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/4757 Are you talking collecting DNA samples of Ahom (both Mongoloid Dravidian) in order to recreate later? Sounds innovative :) : Now Sylheti is not a language in India. But in the United Kingdom it is for all practical purposes. Excellent bhuban, this approach is good in greater Kamrupi land, Baro Rabha need come up too - Ahom officers should learn local languages. : The Sylheti speaking people of Assam successfully protested at the official language bill ... Be realistic. Yep Be realistic though these segment-populations claim Bengali, Bengali from West Bengal rated them worst than 3rd class. e.g., Debojit Saha got less than 3% vote from West Bengal during saregamapa contest (my Ratne group voted closed to 10 laksh votes using automated Internet protocol). 3rd class needs 30% minimum. 3% is way down :) : ... who is to stop a foul mouth:Assam being a jungle, etc etc. (kharkhuwa, kolkhowa and so on.). ... Dravidian Ahom Bhupen Hazarika popularized/promoted junglee; kharkhuwa spreads like epidemic among Ahom Both junglee kharkhuwa are parametric manners in Ahom, kolkhowa is new to me :) : Origin of this series of e-mail was unwholesome; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/4748 Depends how we look at it! Dhyanjyoti pieced together simple / straight-forward thoughts, probably highlights common educated/revolutionary Ahom thinking, i.e., both ULFA language wing as well as Ahom language wing (Assam Literary Society). : Deka has managed to cover it up by academic gloss. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/4753 Academic transparency is possible by expanding further e.g. standard language Bengali is a dialect of Baangaali. Baangaali took shape during 14/15 century under Mughol rule, thus, Bengali is grand-daughter of Kamrupi. Re: Michael Madhusudan Dutta's (before Rabi Thakur) writing on Kamrupi Tribe (in present Bardhaman) West Bengal in British India. To find Bengali origin, Bengali needs Kamrupi word bangalaa - reddish stuff like F2O3 found in riverbank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:assamonline-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:assamonline-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: assamonline-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[asom] On preservation of endangered Kamrupi
Well, At least something constructive might come out of it. I do agree. We dont want to see this as a critical political forum either. Regards. SJ --- On Thu, 12/18/08, deka deka...@gmail.com wrote: From: deka deka...@gmail.com Subject: [asom] On preservation of endangered Kamrupi To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Cc: northeastindia-ow...@yahoogroups.com, northeastin...@yahoogroups.com, dipgo...@gmail.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 6:05 AM Friends, correct me if I am wrong :- It would be wise to discuss on preservation of endangered Kamrupi (both language as well as culture/tradition) as a separate thread. Rabin _ _ __ From: Bijoy Kumar Pait bkp...@hpcl. co.in Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Nevertheless, when it comes to preserving a particular language, every effort must be made by the intellectuals. regards Pait _ _ __ From: Surajit Jaradhara nipun...@yahoo. com Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:13 PM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com I definitely do not find this is an interesting topic at all to discuss,and was trying very hard not to comment on this. But then, since this has now started to trickle down a few emotional, nostalgic sentiments so I would like to express whatever this lesser mortal/ obhajan can think of. Entire part of my childhood was centered around Guwahati and the nearby towns ( now they are towns) memories are drawn from there. During the Durga Puja festival and other festivals, the Ojha Pali was performed with great ease by people coming from many areas surrounding Guwahati , even from Mangaldoi. They performed various ttypes of Ojha Palis ( Byas Ojha, Sukannani Ojha etc). Interested ones can procure the book on the subject written by Sh. Nabin Sharma. The performance was done in complete coherence with the local dialect. Ojha pali is also performed in some sattras in Assam as per the expressive dialect. There are also different forms of Dhulias, Nagara ( nagra) naam, tokari geet etc. which display a diverse range of performances, apart from the BIHU or other harvest related festivals. Now we know that these performances are becoming lesser and lesser or one can say not taken seriously by younger generation. Well there also exist very popular personalities performing Naam with large orchestration of taal and khol in the same areas in question, where it is feared the language is dying. According to me it is not dying. The customary performances are being taken care of seriously. The situation is not only prevailing in one area ,which is under question, but true for all over Assam for various performing arts. Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury( it may be roy choudhury as well), whenever he met people, used to say Dekh khan ggel ai, Kiba ata kor. I did chanced upon to flip through an assamese new daily where one lady writer ( i could not remember her name) did seem to write bisshwayanar dhamkhumiyat pothobrosto, dikbidikshonyo huwa asomiya somaj ( well the defition of asomiya- I dont want to get into this anyway) ketiya nijoke sombhalibo paribo! There seem to be many writting in this blog site, and yes people/members spread across world might also be reading all the posts and not trying to comment. It is known. Well, all of us who has the luxury of having access to internet and having the capacity to instantly work out some cerebral action to type out few words, obviously due to the unbroilical connection to the land - do finally seem to be a school of highly brained ...whatever. Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury must have written today, if he came visiting moran noha gila khane eko korba nollak, bhaonat ...oops ...Internetot bohi bhimor boson maitsi --- buli ek brihot karjya etat nijoke niyok Korise. Some one might even say Hait, bhimor boson motato iman sohoj kam buli bhabiso neki toi. Aho Sobhasod jono, Aho guni jono, toharo mohima oparo. Bujibi lage Kiba , Bujili kiba. Obviously Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury, a revered personality like him didnot say Amar ai onchalto gel ai.. .. With warm regards. SJ _ _ __ From: Dhyanjyoti Deka dj_i...@yahoo. com Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:42 AM Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Interesting topic. I am a Kamrupi from my father's side. The surname Deka says it all. The reason for this language dying is the stigma associated with speaking it in front of people who speak the upper Assamese dialects. I do not speak it cause my mom does not speak it and deuta doesn't speak it unless he is angry!! But yeah, I was ridiculed as a Dhekeri many times in school (cause of my surname). Also I remember from my friends' stories how speaking Kamrupi could have had a catastrophic impact on your dating life. I don't know
[asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation
I definitely do not find this is an interesting topic at all to discuss, and was trying very hard not to comment on this. But then, since this has now started to trickle down a few emotional, nostalgic sentiments so I would like to express whatever this lesser mortal/ obhajan can think of. Entire part of my childhood was centered around Guwahati and the nearby towns ( now they are towns) memories are drawn from there. During the Durga Puja festival and other festivals, the Ojha Pali was performed with great ease by people coming from many areas surrounding Guwahati , even from Mangaldoi. They performed various ttypes of Ojha Palis ( Byas Ojha, Sukannani Ojha etc). Interested ones can procure the book on the subject written by Sh. Nabin Sharma. The performance was done in complete coherence with the local dialect. Ojha pali is also performed in some sattras in Assam as per the expressive dialect. There are also different forms of Dhulias, Nagara ( nagra) naam, tokari geet etc. which display a diverse range of performances, apart from the BIHU or other harvest related festivals. Now we know that these performances are becoming lesser and lesser or one can say not taken seriously by younger generation. Well there also exist very popular personalities performing Naam with large orchestration of taal and khol in the same areas in question, where it is feared the language is dying. According to me it is not dying. The customary performances are being taken care of seriously. The situation is not only prevailing in one area ,which is under question, but true for all over Assam for various performing arts. Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury( it may be roy choudhury as well), whenever he met people, used to say Dekh khan ggel ai, Kiba ata kor. I did chanced upon to flip through an assamese new daily where one lady writer ( i could not remember her name) did seem to write bisshwayanar dhamkhumiyat pothobrosto,dikbidikshonyo huwa asomiya somaj ( well the defition of asomiya- I dont want to get into this anyway) ketiya nijoke sombhalibo paribo! There seem to be many writting in this blog site, and yes people/members spread across world might also be reading all the posts and not trying to comment. It is known. Well, all of us who has the luxury of having access to internet and having the capacity to instantly work out some cerebral action to type out few words, obviously due to the unbroilical connection to the land - do finally seem to be a school of highly brained ...whatever. Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury must have written today, if he came visiting moran noha gila khane eko korba nollak, bhaonat ...oops ...Internetot bohi bhimor boson maitsi --- buli ek brihot karjya etat nijoke niyok Korise. Some one might even say Hait, bhimor boson motato iman sohoj kam buli bhabiso neki toi. Aho Sobhasod jono, Aho guni jono, toharo mohima oparo. Bujibi lage Kiba , Bujili kiba. Obviously Ambikagiri Rai Choudhury, a revered personality like him didnot say Amar ai onchalto gel ai With warm regards. SJ --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dhyanjyoti Deka dj_i...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Dhyanjyoti Deka dj_i...@yahoo.com Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:12 AM Interesting topic. I am a Kamrupi from my father's side. The surname Deka says it all. The reason for this language dying is the stigma associated with speaking it in front of people who speak the upper Assamese dialects. I do not speak it cause my mom does not speak it and deuta doesn't speak it unless he is angry!! But yeah, I was ridiculed as a Dhekeri many times in school (cause of my surname). Also I remember from my friends' stories how speaking Kamrupi could have had a catastrophic impact on your dating life. I don't know how we can get rid of this taboo on the Kamrupi language in Assam. Probably it will remain and eventually, we will all have a united dialect. Anyway, those are my two cents. Very simple thoughts. I do not understand and will probably not even try to go after the difference between Kharkhowa, Assamese, Kamrupi, Ahom etc. - Dhyan --- On Mon, 15/12/08, Dilip and Dil Deka dilipd...@yahoo. com wrote: From: Dilip and Dil Deka dilipd...@yahoo. com Subject: [asom] Kamrupi concern over Ahom innovation To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, 15 December, 2008, 9:52 AM My humble input: I am a Kamrupi by ancestry, though I am surrounded by non-Kamrupi as relatives. If the Kamrupi do not want to and know how to maintain their Kamrupi character, nothing else will help. More and more Kamrupi in Guwahati are discarding Kamrupi language in favor of other languages including Hindi and English. The real solution is in finding out why they are indulging in this practice, in stead of blaming the immigrants to Guwahati. I'll be surprised if Kamrupi is fading in Nalbari, Soygaon, Barpeta and Hazo. Please tell me if
[asom] Taj Mahal: Carbon Dating by Prof Marvin Mill
I dont know much of the fact. Much might have happened 30 years back. But still, technically speaking, one does not carbon date a timber door; which is organic, could even be 1000 years old, and still find the age 1000 years. If it is 400 years old the result will be 400 years. If one does the carbon dating of red sandstone it will still be a million years. The Carbon dating can only be comprehendable, if it is done for the lime plaster which binds the materials together. The frescos, and coloured tiles which were made during its construction, whenever it might be. Because these materials are only prepared during construction stage. Carbon dating can still be done for the soot and accretions, the flakings on the stone. Only a humble submission. SJ - On Fri, 12/5/08, deka7kl deka...@gmail.com wrote: From my memory hole - Professor Marvin Mill did a Carbon Dating on a piece of wood from an ancient timber wood door that led to discovery of Taj Mahal age based on the door. Upon googling for Professor Mill I found the following: http://marvinmills.com/pdfs/separatingthetajmahalfromlegend.pdf FROM - http://www.stephen-knapp.com/taj_photo_fortysix.htm The timber door before it was sealed up with bricks. In 1974 American Professor Marvin Mills took a sample from this door for Carbon dating and concluded that the Taj Mahal pre-dates Shahjahan. After this revelation, the Government of India removed the timber doors and the openings were bricked up, as shown in the previous photo. Photo below Govt of India removed timber: Entrance to lower basement floor that is now bricked up. To see all photo visit link - http://www.stephen-knapp.com/taj_photo_fortysix.htm Was the Taj Mahal a Vedic Temple? The Photographic Evidence (include 77 photos) http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm It should be Teja Mahalaya not tejo (or read tejo like teja of tejare kamala ...)
