Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
I have not been able to rationalize what difference would be made by spelling the name of the state with different English letters which cannot reproduce the Assamese sound anyway. What is important as far as the future is concerned is the historical name recognition of unique product like Assam tea. Why should we waste our time and energy with completely unproductive issue like english spelling of Assam. Useless politicians love such useless endevors. Barada sarma Matiur Rahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not quite understand why we need to change the name of our birth state Assam to Asom. It is already there since its inception, in Assamese language we write Asom always and in international language we write Assam. Note that Assam is an internationally recognized trade name. (Assam Tea, Assam's one horn Rino etc.). In Assam: We are Asomiya, `Asom Bani' (Assamese News Weekly) Internationally: We are known as Assamese. `The Assam Tribune'. (The English Language daily Newspaper). It exists for more than a century. These words are already used since the last many years. Matiur Rahman == http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2839
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
I did not quite understand why we need to change the name of our birth state Assam to Asom. It is already there since its inception, in Assamese language we write Asom always and in international language we write Assam. Note that Assam is an internationally recognized trade name. (Assam Tea, Assam's one horn Rino etc.). In Assam: We are Asomiya, `Asom Bani' (Assamese News Weekly) Internationally: We are known as Assamese. `The Assam Tribune'. (The English Language daily Newspaper). It exists for more than a century. These words are already used since the last many years. Matiur Rahman == Professor Matiur Rahman, PhD, DSc(Eng) (London), CMath, FIMA (UK), FWIGB (UK) Professor and Eminent Scientist in Fluid Mechanics Science, Managing Editor (Editor-in-Chief) Advances in Fluid Mechanics Series Department of Engineering Mathematics Internetworking Dalhousie University, Sexton Campus, P.O.Box 1000, 1340 Barrington Street, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3J 2X4 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (902) 423-1801 Website: http://www.engmath.dal.ca/engm/rahman Phone: (902) 494-6000 (Office) (902) 443-4965 (Home) - Original Message - From: j p rajkhowa To: Barua25 Cc: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours My dear Shri barua Thanks a lot for your thought provoking letter. I share your concern on the name Oxom or Asom and agree that, we should call our homeland's name Assam or Asam, which many noted historians of bygone times, used to write.There is however, nothing wrong, in the name 'Asom' also, which indicate both 'oo' as well as 'oa'phonetically, as there are so many words in Assamese, meaning or implying both.Personally, I would like either Asam or Assam, for our motherland. I would like to clarify that, I have not joined the Editorship of any newspaper, as yet. I only contribute a column to The Sentinel, which is published every Sunday. With regards and best wishes Yours Sincerely JPRajkhowa. On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Dear Sri Rajkhowa: I have heard that you have takebn up the Editorship of Sentinel. Congratualations!! During the time of Mr Bezbaruah, he tried to introduce the Roman letter X for the Assamese guttural sound kh. That was a very scientific and logical appraoch. According we should write Assam in Assamese Roman script as OXOM. However, Mr Chandra Prsada Saikia who may be termed a pseudi intellectual of Assam wrote an Editorial in Gariyashi pleading that Assam should be written as ASOM in Assamese Roman script. Needless to say that his reasong is wrong. According to his own statement, it will kill the Assamese X sound in the Assamese word OXOM as it has killed the X sound in so many Assamese words like Saikia, Sarma, Sibasagar simply because we used to write S for X. Now some of us find it very painful to see that Sentinel is also using to write ASOM instead of OXOM. With this letter I plead you to start writing OXOM and not ASOM. In this connection, I include my article on the origin of the wrods OXOM and ASSAM for your information. We should have no business to try to change the name of Assam to ASOM. A reply to yhis letter will be highly appreciated. Regards Rajen Barua Houston, Texas
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
My dear Shri barua Thanks a lot for your thought provoking letter. I share your concern on the name Oxom or Asom and agree that, we should call our homeland's name Assam or Asam, which many noted historians of bygone times, used to write.There is however, nothing wrong, in the name 'Asom' also, which indicate both 'oo' as well as 'oa'phonetically, as there are so many words in Assamese, meaning or implying both.Personally, I would like either Asam or Assam, for our motherland. I would like to clarify that, I have not joined the Editorship of any newspaper, as yet. I only contribute a column to The Sentinel, which is published every Sunday. With regards and best wishes Yours Sincerely JPRajkhowa. On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 Barua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Dear Sri Rajkhowa: I have heard that you have takebn up the Editorship of Sentinel. Congratualations!! During the time of Mr Bezbaruah, he tried to introduce the Roman letter X for the Assamese guttural sound kh. That was a very scientific and logical appraoch. According we should write Assam in Assamese Roman script as OXOM. However, Mr Chandra Prsada Saikia who may be termed a pseudi intellectual of Assam wrote an Editorial in Gariyashi pleading that Assam should be written as ASOM in Assamese Roman script. Needless to say that his reasong is wrong. According to his own statement, it will kill the Assamese X sound in the Assamese word OXOM as it has killed the X sound in so many Assamese words like Saikia, Sarma, Sibasagar simply because we used to write S for X. Now some of us find it very painful to see that Sentinel is also using to write ASOM instead of OXOM. With this letter I plead you to start writing OXOM and not ASOM. In this connection, I include my article on the origin of the wrods OXOM and ASSAM for your information. We should have no business to try to change the name of Assam to ASOM. A reply to yhis letter will be highly appreciated. Regards Rajen Barua Houston, Texas
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
Let us discuss development instead of becoming emotional! dibya Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2804 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2807 --- following is moderator appended --- From: Rana medhi Date: Wed Nov 22, 2006 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Here is my two cents worth Jadav! Why Should I send money to ASSAM for development when all those throusand crores given by central govt lines up pockets corrupt politicians/officers and ULFA. What we try to achieve here is that by discussing the issues, create an awareness so that this waste does not happen. Then may be we will start thinking of sending money. santanoo Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2796
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Hello, Some things have been said about NRA and trust me this mail has nothing to do with defending NRA in particular. Fortunately/unfortunately I have found my way to the US some years back just like several others. I do a little engineering job just like several others and that's the only source thru which my little family survives. Believe me I have no big degrees or a fat purse. The point of this mail is I believe you cannot generalise the NRAs' view of assam just following some *one* remark or remarks. I dont know who said what or I just don't care because I try to do my best in my own way of helping others whatever way I could. Please give it a second thought before generalising. I also hope the NRA who said whatever do the same thing. Warm regards, Bipul Dutta California, USA - Original Message From: biswajeet saikia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:29:15 PM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Presenting silly comments on critical issues over the internet from across the world is meaningless, and such behaviors do not contribute to problems in north east India. (Although we do same things sitting in national capital, but I hope a serious thinker through their activities could contribute to the development of the region as Jadav is also doing a good job focusing north east here at Delhi.) The broader debate is how one can contribute (if have some genuine intension as well as have some capitalist mindset, no free social service) to the development of the region? I don’t think Northeast at present needs money for development. We need great visionary as well genuine worker for development. [Here 'development' itself is a very paradigmatic subject, different sections looks 'development' in different perspectives] In my opinion still some one wants to develop their own region, could create a funding agency aiming to develop specifically north east India in their workplace and target one theme, say education in tea garden labourers, drinking water facilities in untouched villages in Arunachal Pradesh where government is not actively working in that theme etc; and engaged one local NGO (not big one) and provide technical and other facilities. Preparing the target is very essential for effectiveness of the programme implementation. We need grassroots level of involvement for a greater sustainable development. I always emphasis that if any one have problems with the government policies and implementation, he or she is free to provide their alternate intellectual idea to the government at appropriate time and place. It should have professionally designed and written. Just giving a loose comment doesn’t solve any things. If anyone wants development of their own region they could done from anywhere from the world, you need that mindset and vision. Regards Biswajeet jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: I am totally in agreement with Mrinalda Talukdar (Mrinalda)! The NRAs have been criticizing Assam and its system but how much money they send beck home? Infrastructure in Assam is very poor and these rich men could do a lot for its betterment. It's easy to criticize the bureaucrats or the politicians holding them responsible for the poor state of affairs. Organizing seminars in Seattle or New York on the backwardness of Assam is in no way going to mend matters. The NRIs from states like Kerala and Punjab are doing a lot for their natal states. My point here is not to pull up the NRAs. They have established their credentials by dint of hard work. They have big brains and a fat purse. But if they can share a part of their money with the poor state of their origin it will serve a great purpose. I hope they don't take it as personal attack on them. Jadav Kakoti 9818126294 See - http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/assamonlin e/message/ 2791
Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours
Presenting silly comments on critical issues over the internet from across the world is meaningless, and such behaviors do not contribute to problems in north east India. (Although we do same things sitting in national capital, but I hope a serious thinker through their activities could contribute to the development of the region as Jadav is also doing a good job focusing north east here at Delhi.) The broader debate is how one can contribute (if have some genuine intension as well as have some capitalist mindset, no free social service) to the development of the region? I dont think Northeast at present needs money for development. We need great visionary as well genuine worker for development. [Here 'development' itself is a very paradigmatic subject, different sections looks 'development' in different perspectives] In my opinion still some one wants to develop their own region, could create a funding agency aiming to develop specifically north east India in their workplace and target one theme, say education in tea garden labourers, drinking water facilities in untouched villages in Arunachal Pradesh where government is not actively working in that theme etc; and engaged one local NGO (not big one) and provide technical and other facilities. Preparing the target is very essential for effectiveness of the programme implementation. We need grassroots level of involvement for a greater sustainable development. I always emphasis that if any one have problems with the government policies and implementation, he or she is free to provide their alternate intellectual idea to the government at appropriate time and place. It should have professionally designed and written. Just giving a loose comment doesnt solve any things. If anyone wants development of their own region they could done from anywhere from the world, you need that mindset and vision. Regards Biswajeet jadav kakoti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am totally in agreement with Mrinalda Talukdar (Mrinalda)! The NRAs have been criticizing Assam and its system but how much money they send beck home? Infrastructure in Assam is very poor and these rich men could do a lot for its betterment. It's easy to criticize the bureaucrats or the politicians holding them responsible for the poor state of affairs. Organizing seminars in Seattle or New York on the backwardness of Assam is in no way going to mend matters. The NRIs from states like Kerala and Punjab are doing a lot for their natal states. My point here is not to pull up the NRAs. They have established their credentials by dint of hard work. They have big brains and a fat purse. But if they can share a part of their money with the poor state of their origin it will serve a great purpose. I hope they don't take it as personal attack on them. Jadav Kakoti 9818126294 See - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2791
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So that nobody will blame us later of criticizing without knowing the facts ... We just want to know what contribution Mr. Jayanta Madhab has been doing as the Economic Adviser to the Asom Govt - for the second term now. We need to know this so that later he does not write article stating how he tried but the GOA did not listen ... Have we seen any economic plan for Asom? Recently there was a report by an NGO from Delhi showing that Asom is at the bottom on the economic ladder not in India itself but among the entire North East region. Why there was no reporting by the media about this? What JM has to respond to that? Recently there was a report from a Central Minister stating that the people of Asom need to ask the Govt what they are doing with the 15000 crores of Rupees that GOI give to Asom every year. Why the people of Asom are silent on this? What JM has to say? We just want to know before we criticize? Rajen Barua
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Dear Mr. ankur Bora, I am JPRajkhowa about whose service to the State you have wanted to know. Well, it's not for me to give details, because then, there would be people accusing me of beating my own drums. So, why don't you take the pains to conduct an opinion poll, through the print / electronic media, to find out about his contribution to the State and the people during 36 years of his service career? As for his contribution, during his tenure as Chief Secretary, from August 1 / 2003 to 31 October / 2004, you may consult all the Dailies of Assam published during the period; you will find lot of reports about Rajkhowa.You may also try to find out information from google.com on JPRajkhowa. Regards JPRajkhowa, Narikal Basti, Guwahati- 24. On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 ankur bora wrote : We have a right to know what Mr. Rajkhowa did as the chief executive of the state because he was a government servant. We pay our hard earn money as tax to fill government exchanger and pay for the salary of the bureaucrats. So we have every right to know how did they serve. The question is , Mr. Rajkhowa inspite of enjoying all the government privileged, did he make a significant change in people's life? Ankur, Austin, Texas From: s hazarika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Subject: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:24:26 +0530 Why is it necessary to be careful in what one writes? As long as one is not hurting. When one takes up an assignment, one has a job to pereform. if one fails, one must be ready to face criticism. Shantikam hazarika - Original Message - From: pmalakar To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours The general tendency is to criticize others without being aware of one's ethical stance. Perhaps it is better to be a little careful about what we write. Regards, Paresh Malakar - Original Message - From: Shantikam Hazarika To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Exuses are galore. If the chief executive of the state cannot solve the state's problems, who can? Me? I feel i have contrubuted what has been within my capacity and therefroe I think i have the right to question others. Shantikam hazarika Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2784
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Now the former chief executive would say Koribo tun bahutei bisarisilu, kintu ... minister mokhae koribo nidile. Then ask any of the minister, the reply would be Oh , hobo nohoi, kori asu. . Then ask our CM , Tarun da, kiba hobone nohoi. Reply would be Agor pora hoi ase , aru hoye thakibo. Dekha nai janu aji kali axomiya lodai bahirot goi sakori kore. I think for him exporting human resources of few thousand people to outside assam is big deal. What the assamese in assam would do? My reply: Barixa banor pasot, alu kosu'u khabo nuhua hoi. This way in the last 59 years nothing happened. Regards Hrishikesh Saikia -Original Message- From: assamonline@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of s hazarika Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:24 PM To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Subject: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Why is it necessary to be careful in what one writes? As long as one is not hurting. When one takes up an assignment, one has a job to pereform. if one fails, one must be ready to face criticism. Shantikam hazarika - Original Message - From: pmalakar To: assamonline@ mailto:assamonline%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com ; Shantikam Hazarika Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours The general tendency is to criticize others without being aware of one's ethical stance. Perhaps it is better to be a little careful about what we write. Regards, Paresh Malakar - Original Message - From: Shantikam Hazarika To: assamonline@ mailto:assamonline%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Exuses are galore. If the chief executive of the state cannot solve the state's problems, who can? Me? I feel i have contrubuted what has been within my capacity and therefroe I think i have the right to question others. Shantikam hazarika - Original Message - From: SANDIP DUTTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:pseude%40yahoo.com com To: assamonline@ mailto:assamonline%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [asom] Assamese Fears and Saviours Its not a question of what he didn't do. It could be that he did try to do a few things but then the question is whether he got any support from his political bosses and the rudderless pressure groups. There are many here who would question the actions of others without really having contributed anything concrete themselves. Rgds, SD
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We live in a Democratic society! Even JPR should be happy to get criticised what he could not done for the state. We must criticise and learn from our past to construct a better future. We are expecting a discussion in more constructive way, what we can do for a better future for ourselves and our next generation. I like the suggestions offered by Manoj Das few days ago and we need to discuss that way with more details to make a consensus, create public awareness and let people feel the need, believe the possibility, work together and make it happen. The most sad thing for us is that we do not have visionary leader in politics. Intellectual people with genuine interest can work together to make a detail development plan for the state and make every person who live in the state understand and believe what could bring prosperity. Dream comes true when we believe on it. The world is far ahead of us. We must not spilling mud to each other, let us work together or remain as an object to laugh at. Dwipen Re - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2707
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Its not a question of what he didn't do. It could be that he did try to do a few things but then the question is whether he got any support from his political bosses and the rudderless pressure groups. There are many here who would question the actions of others without really having contributed anything concrete themselves. Rgds, SD - Original Message From: shantikam hazarika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assamonline@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:51:45 PM Subject: [asom] Re: Assamese Fears and Saviours I think nothing can be more pathetic and ironical than the questions now being raised by Mr. Rajkhowa. What did he do as the chief bureaucrat of Assam to safeguard assamese everything? Shantikam hazarika From: Partha Gogoi partha_gogoi@ yahoo.com To: assamonline@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [asom] Re: Assamese Fears and Saviours Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:32:05 - Starting with the long winding article on God Save Asom and the Asomiyas by JP Rajkhowa - it seems that he is a good successor to the founder editor of Sentinel, Mr Dhiren Bezboruah. But one must ask Mr JP Rajkhowa if he's trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted? Perhaps, one might even ask - what was he doing when he was the Chief Secretary - such a powerful position - the state's top officer? See - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/message/2758 - Note from the moderators: Change of subject in replying a message may break the discussion thread in the archive If reply button is not used to reply a message the thread breaks in the archive A big % of our members set their IDs to No Email, they are archive readers. To help them to get all threads of a discussion topic in one click we need help from each contributor. How to help: Always reply using reply button of the email Do not change the subject while replying Create a brand new email with new subject if topic is different Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/assamonline/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
