RE: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
Are there any VOIP lobbyist groups in Canada? S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Patterson Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:39 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw... The CRTC is the biggest joke in the world. Ten people sit on their ass making decisions for 30+ million and no one has ever done anything to remove them from power. Heck even HBO is illegal in Canada. Why? Because they few that run the country want the many to remain their captive audience. We can go on all day about the CRTC - they represent the interests of the large companies only. Branson Patterson If they will do it, you are welcome to write the letter to CRTC and other governmental agencies for uncompetitive behavior. I think it should work. All the Best! Sergey. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any VOIP lobbyist groups in Canada? Well, he's not exactly *in* Canada, but there's Jeff Pulver: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/transcripts/2004/tt0922.htm He seems to be about all we've got, thus far. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brandon Patterson Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:39 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw... The CRTC is the biggest joke in the world. Ten people sit on their ass making decisions for 30+ million and no one has ever done anything to remove them from power. Heck even HBO is illegal in Canada. Why? Because they few that run the country want the many to remain their captive audience. We can go on all day about the CRTC - they represent the interests of the large companies only. Branson Patterson If they will do it, you are welcome to write the letter to CRTC and other governmental agencies for uncompetitive behavior. I think it should work. All the Best! Sergey. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
I called Telus before Christmas requesting some sort of VOIP connection. Here is what I learned: a) the guy I was talking to never heard of * b) they didn't think there was any way that a PC could perform the duties of a PBX c) they told me they didn't have any VOIP connections, but then told me that they would supply and connect Nortel PBXs using H323 d) they would not supply me with an H323 connection for *. I don't have time to discuss this in detail, I just thought I'd share it based on the chat in the CDN list discussion. We are going with babytel. I'll advise how that works when it is up and running, hopefully next week. BTW: Shaw is supposed to start supplying VOIP on a separate network from their high speed network. Here is the news clip: http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2005/01/14/898082-sun.html I find this interesting because several people have told me they are using Shaw's high speed Internet service as the backbone of their VOIP system. (Extreme is supposed to work even better.) I wonder if Telus is going to block the SIP ports on their ADSL network ? I wonder if Shaw will ? (Telus presently blocks the SMPT port so that you MUST you their mail server.) I wonder if shaw or telus people lurk on this site. -- Kim Lux, Diesel Research Inc. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
If they will do it, you are welcome to write the letter to CRTC and other governmental agencies for uncompetitive behavior. I think it should work. All the Best! Sergey. Kim Lux wrote: I called Telus before Christmas requesting some sort of VOIP connection. Here is what I learned: a) the guy I was talking to never heard of * b) they didn't think there was any way that a PC could perform the duties of a PBX c) they told me they didn't have any VOIP connections, but then told me that they would supply and connect Nortel PBXs using H323 d) they would not supply me with an H323 connection for *. I don't have time to discuss this in detail, I just thought I'd share it based on the chat in the CDN list discussion. We are going with babytel. I'll advise how that works when it is up and running, hopefully next week. BTW: Shaw is supposed to start supplying VOIP on a separate network from their high speed network. Here is the news clip: http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/CalgarySun/News/2005/01/14/898082-sun.html I find this interesting because several people have told me they are using Shaw's high speed Internet service as the backbone of their VOIP system. (Extreme is supposed to work even better.) I wonder if Telus is going to block the SIP ports on their ADSL network ? I wonder if Shaw will ? (Telus presently blocks the SMPT port so that you MUST you their mail server.) I wonder if shaw or telus people lurk on this site. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
The CRTC is the biggest joke in the world. Ten people sit on their ass making decisions for 30+ million and no one has ever done anything to remove them from power. Heck even HBO is illegal in Canada. Why? Because they few that run the country want the many to remain their captive audience. We can go on all day about the CRTC - they represent the interests of the large companies only. Branson Patterson If they will do it, you are welcome to write the letter to CRTC and other governmental agencies for uncompetitive behavior. I think it should work. All the Best! Sergey. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
That is a good point. I never thought of doing that. They could kill SIP connections by subtly delaying any upload traffic streams, ie introducing latency or jitter. On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 17:11 -0500, Sergey Kuznetsov wrote: If they will do it, you are welcome to write the letter to CRTC and other governmental agencies for uncompetitive behavior. I think it should work. -- Kim Lux, Diesel Research Inc. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
Kim Lux wrote: That is a good point. I never thought of doing that. They could kill SIP connections by subtly delaying any upload traffic streams, ie introducing latency or jitter. LOL! As our New Zealand Telecom's Provider/Internet Provider has done. A little background - in New Zealand we have one company really - Telecom. They provide the Internet and the telephone services. A couple of weeks ago they added 30ms of latency to all connections and no one batted an eyelid. While playing counterstrike on foreign servers (Australia mainly) I regularly get jitter of 300-400ms (i.e. the game starts at 120ms ping and at times rises above 500ms). Here the regulatory power is called the commerce commission. They were about to release a finding that Telecom (which was originally state owned) had to unbundle their lines. However, about one or two weeks before the finding was released, they changed their mind. Much to the detriment of New Zealand internet... So, once again, the big boys get to keep their toys, while we can but beg for quality service... -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
So what stops this from happening a year from now, leaving our VOIP system high and dry for a decent broadband connection ? Matt: do you do SIP on broadband with Telcom Has their latency addition wrecked your connection ? Thanks. On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 12:03 +1300, Matt Riddell wrote: Kim Lux wrote: That is a good point. I never thought of doing that. They could kill SIP connections by subtly delaying any upload traffic streams, ie introducing latency or jitter. LOL! As our New Zealand Telecom's Provider/Internet Provider has done. A little background - in New Zealand we have one company really - Telecom. They provide the Internet and the telephone services. A couple of weeks ago they added 30ms of latency to all connections and no one batted an eyelid. While playing counterstrike on foreign servers (Australia mainly) I regularly get jitter of 300-400ms (i.e. the game starts at 120ms ping and at times rises above 500ms). Here the regulatory power is called the commerce commission. They were about to release a finding that Telecom (which was originally state owned) had to unbundle their lines. However, about one or two weeks before the finding was released, they changed their mind. Much to the detriment of New Zealand internet... So, once again, the big boys get to keep their toys, while we can but beg for quality service... -- Kim Lux, Diesel Research Inc. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Canadian Content: Telus and Shaw...
I called Telus before Christmas requesting some sort of VOIP connection. We are going with babytel. I'll advise how that works when it is up and running, hopefully next week. [plug] www.thinktel.ca I know the guys they are competent they will sell IAX. Peered thru GT in Downtown Edmonton. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
