Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: - -Tell about your problems and what you would like to do. Usually no answer. I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system Uhm, that really sounds like VoIP anyway. I'm just starting (plenty of data but little if any VoIP). In order to get into this you have lots of due diligence to perform. The problem with VoIP is that it covers a lot of RFC's and topics (SIP, H323, MGCP, SKINNY, etc.) So far I haven't started asking questions because I haven't done enough home work yet. Leif gave some very good links. I also use google a lot. -- Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only) http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/ (SourceForge) http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Its not that the answers aren't out there, nobody bothers looking for them. Being a relative new-b on Asterisk, I have to agree most of the information is available on several Internet pages. However, information is scattered around on many pages, and for someone who isn't familiar with stuff like 'codecs' and VoIP in general (and maybe even Linux for a start), it can be hard to find the right information. But instead of complaining about the lack of -findable- documentation, one can try to enhance existing documentation. That's the power of Open Source. As I am not a coder, I'll be trying to help the community by making the documentation better, especially for 'new bees' like me. Bzz, Ralf ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Jean-Yves Avenard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: -Tell about your problems and what you would like to do. Usually no answer. I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system Personally, I only read about 20% of the articles in this list. I delete whole threads based solely upon the Subject line, especially when it's set to (no subject) or has no clear indication of content. If I've read a couple of articles in a thread and have decided that I'm not interested, I tend to blindly delete all followups. This means that if someone asks a new question by following up to an existing thread then it'll probably get caught up in my mass delete and won't be seen by me at all. I said that I tend to do this, I don't always do it - obviously. :-) I also have very little interest in top-posted followups and HTML emails, and often won't bother read past the first sentence. This is a response to the original posters' laziness rather than anything else, although a couple of them will be of enough interest for me to ignore these annoying breaches of netiquette and read the entire article. This is just my personal policy on the matter, but I suspect that others do the same. When you're subscribed to several high volume mailing lists, there's not enough time to read everything. Having said all of that, two days is not really enough time to monitor a mail list before giving up on it. -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
On Tuesday 29 June 2004 02:42, Ralf Van Dooren wrote: But instead of complaining about the lack of -findable- documentation, one can try to enhance existing documentation. That's the power of Open Source. As I am not a coder, I'll be trying to help the community by making the documentation better, especially for 'new bees' like me. This is where I have a problem. The documentation is centered on voip-info.org and on Asterisk's plainly marked Documentation link. It's been 32000 messages since I've signed up but I am *positive* that BOTH links are provided on the autoresponder when you sign up to this list. How crystal-effing-clear must things be for people to go and look for themselves before complaining on this list? Must we make the list moderated and autorespond with pre-fab Google searches that the asker simply has to click on and save themselves the trouble of writing the query into Google's search window themselves? I'm serious here -- voip-info.org's search engine works. Google works. For newbies yes they may have some trouble with the incantations but that's why they should not be diving in headfirst and then bitterly complaining that nothing works on the list. READ, dig around voip-info and asterisk's site. There's a WEALTH of knowlege there and most of it is not cryptic. A lot of it is even geared to newbies. Perhaps a glossary would be helpful but every day I start to think that basic research skills should be a prerequisite before being allowed to play with any OSS project. It's frustrating for the newbie, frustrating for the experts and all around a bad thing. You'll never have enough documentation to satisfy some people because they don't want to educate themselves; they want to ask questions and get personalized answers. We do that too, for a price. That's what consulting is all about. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Hi Andrew, I sympathise with your opinion. However if someone was to analyse the messaged in the list they would find that the most basic of questions get most replies. I mean those questions that would take a few minutes to answer searching through the wiki or google. Where questions that are not so straighr forwared get ignored. In my own experiance, every question that I have posted (after hours if not days of searching) has gone ignored. I must add, at no stage though have I felt a reason to complain, as even without answering any of my questions, this list has given me a wealth of knowledge. Thanks Umar. --- Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 29 June 2004 02:42, Ralf Van Dooren wrote: But instead of complaining about the lack of -findable- documentation, one can try to enhance existing documentation. That's the power of Open Source. As I am not a coder, I'll be trying to help the community by making the documentation better, especially for 'new bees' like me. This is where I have a problem. The documentation is centered on voip-info.org and on Asterisk's plainly marked Documentation link. It's been 32000 messages since I've signed up but I am *positive* that BOTH links are provided on the autoresponder when you sign up to this list. How crystal-effing-clear must things be for people to go and look for themselves before complaining on this list? Must we make the list moderated and autorespond with pre-fab Google searches that the asker simply has to click on and save themselves the trouble of writing the query into Google's search window themselves? I'm serious here -- voip-info.org's search engine works. Google works. For newbies yes they may have some trouble with the incantations but that's why they should not be diving in headfirst and then bitterly complaining that nothing works on the list. READ, dig around voip-info and asterisk's site. There's a WEALTH of knowlege there and most of it is not cryptic. A lot of it is even geared to newbies. Perhaps a glossary would be helpful but every day I start to think that basic research skills should be a prerequisite before being allowed to play with any OSS project. It's frustrating for the newbie, frustrating for the experts and all around a bad thing. You'll never have enough documentation to satisfy some people because they don't want to educate themselves; they want to ask questions and get personalized answers. We do that too, for a price. That's what consulting is all about. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Leif Madsen wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:08:43 +1000, Jean-Yves Avenard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system Based on your statement, I would presume that you have never even attempted to search for documentation. I can think of at least 3 excellent resources: http://www.voip-info.org http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ http://www.asteriskdocs.org Plus using site:lists.digium.com and site:voip-info.org in Google is an excellent resource. Don't forget the most important link of all at the bottom of every email. The unsubscribe link! -- Bob Knight [-w] the work option [EMAIL PROTECTED] 925-449-9163 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: - -Tell about your problems and what you would like to do. Usually no answer. I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system Jean-Yves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFA4MEcXeDVKqIr3GURAqA6AJ9AfxMx1TMENHyibYcPBN/xXjssNgCZAU2y gnzzkE/UOwSC13Hck57v1MQ= =4qCG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 20:08, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: - -Tell about your problems and what you would like to do. Usually no answer. You will find many of us will ignore messages if they require us much effort to read. This is a high volume list and a few will slip through the cracks on their own. Then there is the just plain stupid questions. I personally have gotten tired of defending myself when I point out how to behave and be noticed by more people who will answer. In your case, the only problem in message composition is that you should not reply to a message when you choose to start a new message. Breaks threading. I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system Thats your next problem. You should look up and see if there is an answer. If you did you would have seen how many times we point people to the wiki that is user contributed. Next when you signed up for this list you should have seen another link for the -doc project. It is shaping up to be a dead-tree documentation project. There is nothing stoping you from asking questions. If someone has the knowledge and the interest to answer you they will. Comments like this though are pushing me hard to not care any more and to unsubscribe. That would be one less person answering questions due to whiners. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 20:08, Jean-Yves Avenard wrote: I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: - -Tell about your problems and what you would like to do. Usually no answer. Personally I've gotten tired of answering questions over and over again that could be answered my reading the links on www.digium.com (documentation page) or by reading or searching the archives. I've paid my dues by answering questions on the mailing list and on IRC and by doing my Asterisk related website. So I've taken a break from answering questions. Below is a nice list of links for newbies. Useful Asterisk Docs: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=documentation (look at the Unofficial Links) and http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk and http://www.fnords.org/~eric/asterisk/ (my site) and http://asteriskdocs.org/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Jean-Yves Avenard wrote (on Jun 28): I've only been watching this list for the past 2 days. And it seems to be an one way street: ... I have to admit I'm rather disappointed with Asterisk, information is probably available but very hard to find ; it seems to be limited to a few privileged people for whom their job is setting up VoIP system I've only been on these lists for a few hours, and I've only used Asterisk since Friday and I'm not witnessing any of this. Yes, information may seem thin sometimes - but it's a relatively specialist type of open source project. And it's free. And a lot of the effort behind it is from people in their spare time. I'm no VoIP expert, but I've spent this fine Monday evening packet tracing SCCP things and comparing chan_skinny to chan_sccp to what CCM (which my company has on eval) does. It's tedious - it's laborious, and I know a number of people have done it before me, but maybe I can help make sure it doesn't happen again - just like that message I replied to on the list earlier, which I happened to have worked out an hour before hand, and dimly recal something alluding to it on the Cisco site beforehand. If you can't be bothered to learn how to use google, the Wiki, and whatever other tricks you can come up with (reading the source being a pastime of mine!) then you're probably not cut out for this sort of open source. As an aside - I am *stunned* by Asterisk. I have my FXO and FXS ports, it's H323ing to my company CCM *3000 miles away*, my 7960 talks to it and it *works*, it emails me when people leave messages at my house and I'm this close to hacking something up so it can water my lawn, or not.. It's utterly F'ing fabulous, and I thank the community who put it together. Regards, Chris Luke. -- == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Do people actually answer questions here?
Personally I've gotten tired of answering questions over and over again that could be answered my reading the links on www.digium.com I have to agree with Eric on this one. I have just gotten tired of it... Its not that the answers aren't out there, nobody bothers looking for them. I have done a good job on IRC helping people. bkw ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
