[Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Kevin
Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port to
an FXO.

FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388



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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Jeremy McNamara
Kevin wrote:

Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port to
an FXO.
FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
 

Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You will 
have more hair and less stress.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Kevin
I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
take the echo on the X100P.

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Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
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Kevin wrote:

Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port to
an FXO.

FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
  


Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You will

have more hair and less stress.


Jeremy


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Jeremy McNamara
Kevin wrote:

I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
take the echo on the X100P.
 

I've got dozens of X100P based systems and have only had echo trouble on 
4 systems.  All of them were solved by tweaking the various settings in 
the Zaptel Makefile and in zapata.conf or calling the telco and 
bitching, loudly.



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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread John Brown (CV)
The echo issues are line or PSTN.

make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
most consumer phones today.

john brown
chagres technologies, inc
http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/


On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
 I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
 take the echo on the X100P.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 Kevin wrote:
 
 Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
 selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port to
 an FXO.
 
 FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
   
 
 
 Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You will
 
 have more hair and less stress.
 
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Ed Rubright
Excuse my ignorance, but could someone explain what tip and ring is and
how I ensure/test that it is wired correctly?

Thanks,
Ed

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The echo issues are line or PSTN.

make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
most consumer phones today.

john brown
chagres technologies, inc
http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/


On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
 I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't 
 take the echo on the X100P.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 Kevin wrote:
 
 Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone 
 selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port 
 to an FXO.
 
 FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
   
 
 
 Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You 
 will
 
 have more hair and less stress.
 
 
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Kevin
Just to be sure again, I did a reversal on the tip and ring with no
improvement.

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From: John Brown (CV) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

The echo issues are line or PSTN.

make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
most consumer phones today.

john brown
chagres technologies, inc
http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/


On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
 I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
 take the echo on the X100P.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 Kevin wrote:
 
 Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
 selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port
to
 an FXO.
 
 FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
   
 
 
 Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You
will
 
 have more hair and less stress.
 
 
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread John Brown (CV)
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:11:06AM -0800, Ed Rubright wrote:
 Excuse my ignorance, but could someone explain what tip and ring is and
 how I ensure/test that it is wired correctly?

In the old days, phone plugs looked like 1/4 phono jacks
There was the TIP of the jack and the RING at the base 
of the jack.  Hence  TIP and RING

The easiest way is to go spend $10 at your local radio shack
and buy a polarity tester.

TIP/RING issues also used to cause speed problems with Pre V.90
modems.  Most modern modems today have auto polarity sense / fix
hardware built in..

John Brown
Chagres Technologies, Inc

 
 Thanks,
 Ed
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Brown
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 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:54 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 
 The echo issues are line or PSTN.
 
 make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
 does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
 most consumer phones today.
 
 john brown
 chagres technologies, inc
 http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/
 
 
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
  I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't 
  take the echo on the X100P.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  Kevin wrote:
  
  Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone 
  selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port 
  to an FXO.
  
  FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388

  
  
  Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You 
  will
  
  have more hair and less stress.
  
  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread John Brown (CV)
Ok, then I'd suggest that you need to carefully comb thru
your echo settings.

Keep in mind that you will need to STOP NOW  your server for
hardware changes.  Some will disagree with this, but thats been
my experience.

Like JerJer, I've got boxes with X100P cards and no echo issues
once I got TIP/RING and echo settings correct.

john brown
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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:18:55PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
 Just to be sure again, I did a reversal on the tip and ring with no
 improvement.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Brown (CV) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:54 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 The echo issues are line or PSTN.
 
 make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
 does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
 most consumer phones today.
 
 john brown
 chagres technologies, inc
 http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/
 
 
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
  I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
  take the echo on the X100P.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  Kevin wrote:
  
  Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
  selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port
 to
  an FXO.
  
  FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388

  
  
  Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You
 will
  
  have more hair and less stress.
  
  
  Jeremy
  
  
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Ed Rubright
Hi John,

Thanks for the info.  I'll be stopping by Radio Shack to pickup a
polairy tester.  I have 2 X100P and 1 TDM400 card.  I will be adding a
SIP phone here in the next week or so.

What do you recommend for the following:

- What echo cancellation settings in the zaptel makefile? 
- What echo settings in the zapata.conf for the X100P interfaces?
- What echo settings in the zapata.conf for the TDM400 interfaces?

Thanks in advance for you assistance!

Ed
  

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 11:11:06AM -0800, Ed Rubright wrote:
 Excuse my ignorance, but could someone explain what tip and ring is 
 and how I ensure/test that it is wired correctly?

In the old days, phone plugs looked like 1/4 phono jacks
There was the TIP of the jack and the RING at the base 
of the jack.  Hence  TIP and RING

The easiest way is to go spend $10 at your local radio shack and buy a
polarity tester.

TIP/RING issues also used to cause speed problems with Pre V.90 modems.
Most modern modems today have auto polarity sense / fix hardware built
in..

John Brown
Chagres Technologies, Inc

 
 Thanks,
 Ed
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Brown
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 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
 
 The echo issues are line or PSTN.
 
 make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity
 does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
 most consumer phones today.
 
 john brown
 chagres technologies, inc http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/
 
 
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
  I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I 
  can't
  take the echo on the X100P.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  Kevin wrote:
  
  Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
  selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS
port 
  to an FXO.
  
  FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388

  
  
  Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You
  will
  
  have more hair and less stress.
  
  
  Jeremy
  
  
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Dave Cotton
On Sun, 2003-11-16 at 19:50, Jeremy McNamara wrote:
 I've got dozens of X100P based systems and have only had echo trouble on 
 4 systems.  All of them were solved by tweaking the various settings in 
 the Zaptel Makefile and in zapata.conf or calling the telco and 
 bitching, loudly.

Earlier this evening I did a complete Checkout of Zaptel and therefore
put the makefile to default, afterwards I had terrific echo.

With the following settings there is no echo for me on a France Telecom
line with X100P to a Grandstream.

# Pick your echo canceller: MARK2, MARK3, STEVE, or STEVE2 :)
#
#KFLAGS+=-DECHO_CAN_STEVE
#KFLAGS+=-DECHO_CAN_STEVE2
#KFLAGS+=-DECHO_CAN_MARK
KFLAGS+=-DECHO_CAN_MARK2
#KFLAGS+=-DECHO_CAN_MARK3
#
# Uncomment for aggressive residual echo supression under
# MARK2 echo canceller
#
KFLAGS+=-DAGGRESSIVE_SUPPRESSOR

zapata.conf

is

rxgain = 0.0
txgain = 0.0


Hope this helps someone.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Rich Adamson
Having spent 21 years in a telephone company as an engineer, reversing
tip  ring will have zero impact on any 2-wire fx pstn line. The equipment 
in the central office (regardless of who the manufacturer happens to be) 
is balanced and supplies -48 volts that is fed through the outside plant
to your location. The x100p card (and equivalents) do not care whether 
the tip and ring are reversed. If the cards really cared, they would
totally fail and not just create an echo condition. (Polarity can be an 
issue with some other equipment, and with some types of central office
trunks, but not the stuff we're talking about here.)

Echo is frequently produced by external 2-wire imbalances or imperfections 
on the pstn line, and not by the x100p (etc) card itself. You can create 
an example of imbalance by placing a resister from ground to either tip 
or ring (not both). Some real world examples are:
 - wet or damaged pstn cable
 - bridge-taps (something done by the telco, seldom seen any more)
 - cheap analog phones attached to the pstn line
 - some expensive analog phones on the pstn line
 - use of lengthy untwisted inside-wire within your home/business
 - poor cabling techniques (inside-wire near ballast or other AC induction)
 - as well as many other problems external to the asterisk cards

In many cases, the imperfections may be bad enough that you might even
hear AC hum, noise, crosstalk, or other degradation by listening very 
carefully with an ordinary analog phone. (If you can hear any imperfections,
the problem is rather bad.)

The echo cancel function is attempting to compensate for those imperfections
and imbalances. One can either muck with the echo canceling software or
go find the real source of the problem. (Incidently, that's why some
people are having echo problems on this list and others don't.)

Given how many of our offices/labs look in terms of cabling, etc, one 
rather simple step to help find the source of problems is to simply run
shielded twisted pair cable between the asterisk interface and the telco
demarc (ensuring the shield is actually grounded), remove _all_ other
cabling and phones from the line, and verify the asterisk box is running 
on clean AC power with an appropriate ground. (If you find the echo is
gone or better, start adding those items back one at a time to see which
item(s) is causing the problem. Then post it to the list so the rest
of us can learn from it.)

Most of the US telco's have technicians with the equipment necessary to
help find the problem if the problem really is their outside plant.
However, getting to that person can be a real challenge.

Rich


 Just to be sure again, I did a reversal on the tip and ring with no
 improvement.
 
 -Original Message-
 The echo issues are line or PSTN.
 
 make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity 
 does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
 most consumer phones today.
 
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
  I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
  take the echo on the X100P.
  
  -Original Message-
  Kevin wrote:
  
  Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
  selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port
 to
  an FXO.
  
  FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388

  
  
  Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You
 will
  
  have more hair and less stress.
  


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Brian West
Also keep in mind if you don't come straight from the dmarc to the x100p
you might have echo also:

PSTN  == X100P == * SERVER
|
|
  PHONE

If you do the above you will get mad echo in some cases. :P

I have 3 x100p's with only about 3-5 seconds of echo at the begining of
the call.

bkw

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003,  John Brown (CV) wrote:

 Ok, then I'd suggest that you need to carefully comb thru
 your echo settings.

 Keep in mind that you will need to STOP NOW  your server for
 hardware changes.  Some will disagree with this, but thats been
 my experience.

 Like JerJer, I've got boxes with X100P cards and no echo issues
 once I got TIP/RING and echo settings correct.

 john brown
 chagres technologies



 On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 02:18:55PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
  Just to be sure again, I did a reversal on the tip and ring with no
  improvement.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: John Brown (CV) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:54 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
 
  The echo issues are line or PSTN.
 
  make sure your tip and ring are correctly wired.  Polarity
  does matter and teh X100P does not do polarity fixing like
  most consumer phones today.
 
  john brown
  chagres technologies, inc
  http://www.chagres.net/products/voip/
 
 
  On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 01:35:13PM -0500, Kevin wrote:
   I do support Asterisk. I have a TDM40B and X100P from Digium, I can't
   take the echo on the X100P.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 1:27 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
  
   Kevin wrote:
  
   Has anyone seen an FXO converter for a Cisco ATA.  There is someone
   selling a device on Ebay that claims to convert a Cisco ATA FXS port
  to
   an FXO.
   
   FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO
   
   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3057281388
   
   
  
   Don't bother. Support Asterisk and pick up a X100P from Digium. You
  will
  
   have more hair and less stress.
  
  
   Jeremy
  
  
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] FX-200 VOIP PORT CONVERTER FXS to FXO

2003-11-16 Thread Brian West
 Having spent 21 years in a telephone company as an engineer, reversing
 tip  ring will have zero impact on any 2-wire fx pstn line. The equipment

Why in some cases does it infact fix the echo issues?

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