Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On 12/20/2009 10:10 AM, jon pounder wrote: > Randy R wrote: > > I might try a live cd once or twice, or use it to boot a dead computer > or one that is not mine, BUT for anything with any sort of time > investment in settings to try anything you lose it all with a live cd so > why bother since if you can't try it all in one session, you have to > start over. > > Live usb sticks are another matter (assuming your bios actually reliably > boots them) at least you can save your changes and pickup where you left > off the next time. > > >> Hi, >> >> Curious, do many of you check out software or projects when they have >> a live CD or does that make any difference to you? Does anyone know if >> the general public (not reading this kind of list) is attracted to a >> Live CD more than an Install one? >> >> thx, >> >> /r AstLinux is available as a live CD. You can set up persistent storage on a hard drive or CF card. It's actually pretty easy using unionfs. Darrick -- Darrick Hartman DJH Solutions, LLC http://www.djhsolutions.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Steve Totaro wrote: > I am not sure if this is even on-topic for the biz list If in doubt, why not skip it and move on? I am asking people who offer asterisk-related products and voip-related products as Live CD, such as Asterisk Live... I am interested in the answers of the community and I encourage anyone with input to continue the discussion here. /r ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 06:20:11PM +0100, Randy R wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tzafrir Cohen > wrote: > > > However the writable storage also allowed us in our live CD to save > some > > > minimal configuration on the media. We have a CD version and a "USB" > > > version of our live system, which are basically the same. The system > > > configures a working Asterisk server with a web interface and a ssh > > > server. Those two use some default user and password (which are > > > hard-wired - after-all, some remote user has to use them, and we don't > > > want to assume there's a local user at the keyboard). > > > > > > > Would you say you've found it well worth making the Live CD > > available,then? (Sounds like you have.) By that I mean, there is a > > definite audience for it? > > In our case: the main "audience" is our customers, who get a copy of it > with every device. This has shown itself as a very effective step of > reducing support costs: we can't easily set up a system for everyone. > But with a live system, it's mostly easy to tell a hardware issue from a > software issue. > > -- > Tzafrir Cohen > icq#16849755 > jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com > +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com > http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir > > I am not sure if this is even on-topic for the biz list ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 06:20:11PM +0100, Randy R wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tzafrir Cohen > wrote: > > However the writable storage also allowed us in our live CD to save some > > minimal configuration on the media. We have a CD version and a "USB" > > version of our live system, which are basically the same. The system > > configures a working Asterisk server with a web interface and a ssh > > server. Those two use some default user and password (which are > > hard-wired - after-all, some remote user has to use them, and we don't > > want to assume there's a local user at the keyboard). > > > > Would you say you've found it well worth making the Live CD > available,then? (Sounds like you have.) By that I mean, there is a > definite audience for it? In our case: the main "audience" is our customers, who get a copy of it with every device. This has shown itself as a very effective step of reducing support costs: we can't easily set up a system for everyone. But with a live system, it's mostly easy to tell a hardware issue from a software issue. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > However the writable storage also allowed us in our live CD to save some > minimal configuration on the media. We have a CD version and a "USB" > version of our live system, which are basically the same. The system > configures a working Asterisk server with a web interface and a ssh > server. Those two use some default user and password (which are > hard-wired - after-all, some remote user has to use them, and we don't > want to assume there's a local user at the keyboard). > Would you say you've found it well worth making the Live CD available,then? (Sounds like you have.) By that I mean, there is a definite audience for it? /r ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:10:52AM -0500, jon pounder wrote: > Randy R wrote: > > I might try a live cd once or twice, or use it to boot a dead computer > or one that is not mine, BUT for anything with any sort of time > investment in settings to try anything you lose it all with a live cd so > why bother since if you can't try it all in one session, you have to > start over. "Saving" is not trivial on such systems, given that you actually work on a system where changes are written to a ramdisk. There are ways to save your state (or some of it). However the writable storage also allowed us in our live CD to save some minimal configuration on the media. We have a CD version and a "USB" version of our live system, which are basically the same. The system configures a working Asterisk server with a web interface and a ssh server. Those two use some default user and password (which are hard-wired - after-all, some remote user has to use them, and we don't want to assume there's a local user at the keyboard). If the system sees a certain file on the media, it will take the username and password from there. With the CD version this won't help you much, as you won't remaster it just to set a password. But with the USB version - just create a simple file with a text editor, and you're done. > > Live usb sticks are another matter (assuming your bios actually reliably > boots them) at least you can save your changes and pickup where you left > off the next time. > Just about any recent system now can boot from USB. There are quite a few systems now that don't have a CD. However explaining to a lay person how to boot from USB tends to be more complicated than explaining how to boot from a CD. -- Tzafrir Cohen icq#16849755 jabber:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com +972-50-7952406 mailto:tzafrir.co...@xorcom.com http://www.xorcom.com iax:gu...@local.xorcom.com/tzafrir ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Randy R wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM, jon pounder wrote: > > Live usb sticks are another matter (assuming your bios actually reliably > > boots them) at least you can save your changes and pickup where you left > > off the next time. > > Excellent point, thanks! > > > Yeah, makes a lot of sense from this perspective to have a live usb stick. However, cds are much cheaper to usb drives. Live CD's are good to give a demo to someone who does not want to go through the process of installing and configuring the application, which is hard for a layman. For a complex product like asterisk, I would rather get a live cd, pop it in, get it to work quickly and when I am happy with the demo, I could go into the details of installation. Ofcourse, for a application which is just straightforward as installing from a package manager, live cd's are of little use. I am a power user, but I have seen people using live cd's to just get a hang of things. Thanks Gourav ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:10 PM, jon pounder wrote: > Live usb sticks are another matter (assuming your bios actually reliably > boots them) at least you can save your changes and pickup where you left > off the next time. Excellent point, thanks! /r ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
Randy R wrote: I might try a live cd once or twice, or use it to boot a dead computer or one that is not mine, BUT for anything with any sort of time investment in settings to try anything you lose it all with a live cd so why bother since if you can't try it all in one session, you have to start over. Live usb sticks are another matter (assuming your bios actually reliably boots them) at least you can save your changes and pickup where you left off the next time. > Hi, > > Curious, do many of you check out software or projects when they have > a live CD or does that make any difference to you? Does anyone know if > the general public (not reading this kind of list) is attracted to a > Live CD more than an Install one? > > thx, > > /r > > ___ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Live CD - do you think they are worth doing?
Hi, Curious, do many of you check out software or projects when they have a live CD or does that make any difference to you? Does anyone know if the general public (not reading this kind of list) is attracted to a Live CD more than an Install one? thx, /r ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Live CD?
Thczv F. Thczv wrote: I would love to run Asterisk on an old laptop, in a mostly solid state configuration, with no HD. The laptop is slow (Pentium 233), and I need PCMCIA support (for my network card). Are any of you aware of a live CD that might work? Thanks, Dave Take your pick: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Bootable+CDROM -- JP Carballo http://www.netfone2x.com Bringing the world closer. It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level, I'm really quite busy. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Live CD?
I would love to run Asterisk on an old laptop, in a mostly solid state configuration, with no HD. The laptop is slow (Pentium 233), and I need PCMCIA support (for my network card). Are any of you aware of a live CD that might work? Thanks, Dave ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
