Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
> >> We're still waiting for a SIP-enabled 7970... > >> The newer model phones (7941g/ge, 7961g) are sccp-only. Seems a step > >> backwards to me. > > why? > > If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then releasing > new phones which are sccp-only is a step backwards from that goal. > > If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then cisco > should release SIP images for 7970, as they did with 7960 and 7940. > > > I had my phones running on SIP, got chan-sccp and started > > experimenting with it. > > All my phones are running SCCP now. The phones respond > > faster, you have more options etc. > > Of course it would be nice if they offer SIP so people have > > a choice, but I really think the chan_sccp is the way to > > have these phones work. > > This only means sccp is currently better for cisco phones, it doesn't mean > sccp is a better protocol. > > sccp and asterisk has some err.. real annoying bugs at the moment, where > ciscos running SIP don't have these problems. > > Given a choice I'd run SIP, if only to have the phones able to talk to > each other and gateways if the PBX dies for any reason. sccp can't do > that -- if you lose the PBX you totally lose all functionality on all > your sccp phones. Cisco has a very long track history of supporting "standards". However, I'm sure they balance that against their interpretation of how that support might impact sales of other products, and against the development time necessary to get there. Part of that decision might even relate to the maturity of their sip code in CM. I'd have to bet they will have better sip implementations for all phones in the near future, particularily when competitive products become more advanced/stable. Since the v7.5 sip code had a significant number of problems (compared to all other firmware versions released in the last two years), it would appear that might be a "leading indicator" of some significant development efforts that we've just beginning to see. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Michiel van Baak wrote: On 02:08, Sun 05 Mar 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sccp and asterisk has some err.. real annoying bugs at the moment, where ciscos running SIP don't have these problems. Yeah, but still I can live with that because all the other things make up for that. The only annoying thing I have is the GroupPickup not working. Besides that they do all the SIP version does, and more. chan-sccp also does not handle reinvites yet. for large deployments this may be unacceptable. -Dan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On 02:08, Sun 05 Mar 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Michiel van Baak wrote: > >On 20:52, Sat 04 Mar 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>We're still waiting for a SIP-enabled 7970... > >>The newer model phones (7941g/ge, 7961g) are sccp-only. Seems a step > >>backwards to me. > >why? > > If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then releasing > new phones which are sccp-only is a step backwards from that goal. > > If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then cisco > should release SIP images for 7970, as they did with 7960 and 7940. I agree that they should provide SIP. And indeed releasing sccp only while stating you are switching to SIP sounds conflicting. > > >I had my phones running on SIP, got chan-sccp and started > >experimenting with it. > >All my phones are running SCCP now. The phones respond > >faster, you have more options etc. > >Of course it would be nice if they offer SIP so people have > >a choice, but I really think the chan_sccp is the way to > >have these phones work. > > This only means sccp is currently better for cisco phones, it doesn't mean > sccp is a better protocol. Agreed. > > sccp and asterisk has some err.. real annoying bugs at the moment, where > ciscos running SIP don't have these problems. Yeah, but still I can live with that because all the other things make up for that. The only annoying thing I have is the GroupPickup not working. Besides that they do all the SIP version does, and more. > > Given a choice I'd run SIP, if only to have the phones able to talk to > each other and gateways if the PBX dies for any reason. sccp can't do > that -- if you lose the PBX you totally lose all functionality on all > your sccp phones. If you loose the PBX there are more problems. I don't know how the SIP image handles this, but I do know the SCCP image can be configured to failover to a second PBX. That way we can continue everything we do when 1 of our PBX boxes decides to die. As you can see, it all comes down to a matter of personal taste. That's why they should release SIP, just to give you the ability to choose. Coming back to the OP question, the SCCP image gives you a lot more control over the buttons. It involves some altering in a .c file, but there you can specify your layout as you want it. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Michiel van Baak wrote: On 20:52, Sat 04 Mar 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're still waiting for a SIP-enabled 7970... The newer model phones (7941g/ge, 7961g) are sccp-only. Seems a step backwards to me. why? If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then releasing new phones which are sccp-only is a step backwards from that goal. If cisco really is moving towards SIP as claimed earlier, then cisco should release SIP images for 7970, as they did with 7960 and 7940. I had my phones running on SIP, got chan-sccp and started experimenting with it. All my phones are running SCCP now. The phones respond faster, you have more options etc. Of course it would be nice if they offer SIP so people have a choice, but I really think the chan_sccp is the way to have these phones work. This only means sccp is currently better for cisco phones, it doesn't mean sccp is a better protocol. sccp and asterisk has some err.. real annoying bugs at the moment, where ciscos running SIP don't have these problems. Given a choice I'd run SIP, if only to have the phones able to talk to each other and gateways if the PBX dies for any reason. sccp can't do that -- if you lose the PBX you totally lose all functionality on all your sccp phones. -Dan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On 20:52, Sat 04 Mar 06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We're still waiting for a SIP-enabled 7970... > > The newer model phones (7941g/ge, 7961g) are sccp-only. Seems a step > backwards to me. why? I had my phones running on SIP, got chan-sccp and started experimenting with it. All my phones are running SCCP now. The phones respond faster, you have more options etc. Of course it would be nice if they offer SIP so people have a choice, but I really think the chan_sccp is the way to have these phones work. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006, Greg Oliver wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 10:34 +, Ron Wellsted wrote: Unfortunately you have to make a choice: SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. The newest SIP firmware (beta versions) allows the exact XML functionality as the SCCP versions. Since Cisco CME and CCM are both migrating to SIP (CME already has) in their next versions, the loads provide all the bells and whistles. We're still waiting for a SIP-enabled 7970... The newer model phones (7941g/ge, 7961g) are sccp-only. Seems a step backwards to me. -Dan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Sounds great..thanks... -Original Message- From: Greg Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk User List Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 10:34 +, Ron Wellsted wrote: > Unfortunately you have to make a choice: > SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support > SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. The newest SIP firmware (beta versions) allows the exact XML functionality as the SCCP versions. Since Cisco CME and CCM are both migrating to SIP (CME already has) in their next versions, the loads provide all the bells and whistles. We have the development loads and have every Cisco model currently running in SIP. Currenltly, I cannot register to * with them since there is no auth in them yet. For example - on a 40/60, it only allows a single global logon (not per line like current SIP firmware) and that does not even work - never tries to register with asterisk at all and I only had about an hour at work to spend on it. I can say that the numbering scheme for SIP loads (7.5, etc) has remained intact. So the probable reason there has not been a 7.6 release even with all of the 7.5 bugs is because the 8.0 version is in beta/development right now. They are gonna be awesome phones once they have all the SCCP capabilities for SIP if the decide to merge the codebase into CCM/3rd-party compatibility. -Greg ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 10:34 +, Ron Wellsted wrote: > Unfortunately you have to make a choice: > SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support > SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. The newest SIP firmware (beta versions) allows the exact XML functionality as the SCCP versions. Since Cisco CME and CCM are both migrating to SIP (CME already has) in their next versions, the loads provide all the bells and whistles. We have the development loads and have every Cisco model currently running in SIP. Currenltly, I cannot register to * with them since there is no auth in them yet. For example - on a 40/60, it only allows a single global logon (not per line like current SIP firmware) and that does not even work - never tries to register with asterisk at all and I only had about an hour at work to spend on it. I can say that the numbering scheme for SIP loads (7.5, etc) has remained intact. So the probable reason there has not been a 7.6 release even with all of the 7.5 bugs is because the 8.0 version is in beta/development right now. They are gonna be awesome phones once they have all the SCCP capabilities for SIP if the decide to merge the codebase into CCM/3rd-party compatibility. -Greg ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
The only two programmable buttons are the 'Messages' and 'Services' and 'Directory buttons'. They are all configured in sip_default: messages_uri: "number to dial" services_url: "xml file to load" directory_url: "xml file to load" Cheers, Omar On 3/4/06, Kevin Steil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a good resource to learn how to program the soft and hard > buttons on a Cisco 7940 or 7960 phone? Using SIP Firmware…thanks. > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Duh. Thanks. I spent all my time looking for SIP XML configs that my brain is fried now. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michiel van Baak Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:14 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones On 07:39, Sat 04 Mar 06, Bill Gibbs wrote: > Awesome. > Any URLs to the XML templates for all the features? > The SCCP firmware doesn't appear to have any in the zip file. Have a look here: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Cisco+79XX+XML+Services good luck -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On 07:39, Sat 04 Mar 06, Bill Gibbs wrote: > Awesome. > Any URLs to the XML templates for all the features? > The SCCP firmware doesn't appear to have any in the zip file. Have a look here: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+Cisco+79XX+XML+Services good luck -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Awesome. Any URLs to the XML templates for all the features? The SCCP firmware doesn't appear to have any in the zip file. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michiel van Baak Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:07 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones On 10:34, Sat 04 Mar 06, Ron Wellsted wrote: > The SIP firmware does not allow the softkeys to be programmed :( > > Unfortunately you have to make a choice: > SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support > SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. I have to correct you here. using chan_sccp gives you the same, and for some models more, functionality then CCM. Look here: http://chan-sccp.org I use it for both Cisco phones as kirk dect phones and it works great. And yes, the XML support is so much better then the SIP firmware. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
On 10:34, Sat 04 Mar 06, Ron Wellsted wrote: > The SIP firmware does not allow the softkeys to be programmed :( > > Unfortunately you have to make a choice: > SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support > SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. I have to correct you here. using chan_sccp gives you the same, and for some models more, functionality then CCM. Look here: http://chan-sccp.org I use it for both Cisco phones as kirk dect phones and it works great. And yes, the XML support is so much better then the SIP firmware. -- Michiel van Baak [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://michiel.vanbaak.info GnuPG key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7E0B9A2D "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users?" ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Gibbs wrote: > All I have found was stuff about softkey templates in Call Manager. If > there is any programming we could do without CM that would be > fantastic!! For some reason I can?t get an iDivert key to show up on my > 7940G! > The SIP firmware does not allow the softkeys to be programmed :( Unfortunately you have to make a choice: SIP firmware - Easy to implement on *, but poor XML support SCCP firmware - poor/non-trivial asterisk support, great XML support. - -- Ron Wellsted [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wellsted.org.uk N 52.567623, W 2.137621 Linux Counter No. 202120 FWD:519961 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBRAltQktP/KMNOfRbAQL0Igf7BC21bznYmTEviyjXD5cALBL1zDDfi1gl k9YNXi4Guasf33UiPwFi290SfPtjZpE9Striae7U1rmoxspbl+WeL/Yyi0mOyxwD GtaYGgA0TixqblrPN52DUZnAvAfZ/AW0CjtQxOjoUJ9Y4YwI+YeeVSQa63e6BUvp tfg9e2VHmP4ml8AQ1CsDRSCM8Rw+L28WZWWnIgA61piBr/G0KuQ2gekIC6AZhuNO zIhGU4MB0YaDJP0sR4za6tgoSnA+5xfOuo4nRn953sF9wtjYlyyoeTc3fZqFd4/B zPEW6va4t98lFMBN0rMtJpVVl3nHEmX6TVotAqehix57gbvdsVB62Q== =/StB -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
All I have found was stuff about softkey templates in Call Manager. If there is any programming we could do without CM that would be fantastic!! For some reason I can’t get an iDivert key to show up on my 7940G! Bill From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Steil Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:43 AM To: Asterisk User List Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones Does anyone have a good resource to learn how to program the soft and hard buttons on a Cisco 7940 or 7960 phone? Using SIP Firmware…thanks. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Does anyone have a good resource to learn how to program the soft and hard buttons on a Cisco 7940 or 7960 phone? Using SIP Firmware…thanks. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Cisco has a book about it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587050609/sr=8-1/qid=1141401215/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7257053-6939020?%5Fencoding=UTF8 While this isn't specifically about the SIP image, the XML browser is the same. I also use Cisco::IPPhone (http://search.cpan.org/~mrpalmer/Cisco-IPPhone-0.05/IPPhone.pm ) for the backend.On 3/3/06, Kevin Steil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have a good resource to learn how to program the soft and hard buttons on a Cisco 7940 or 7960 phone? Using SIP Firmware…thanks. ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Program Buttons on Cisco 79xx Phones
Does anyone have a good resource to learn how to program the soft and hard buttons on a Cisco 7940 or 7960 phone? Using SIP Firmware…thanks. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
