RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
good to known. I played with the idea to buy one of these. Unacceptably bad voice quality. Point. You would suggest GrandStream then? Surely better in my experience. DV ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:26:20PM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: Well, these are encouraging words :) You're basically telling me that I should tell my client to buy other phones. I agree that you cannot compare these phones with Cisco or Polycom. After all, like you said, what do you expect for under $90. However, the fact is that my client just recently invested in these and it will be hard, if not impossible, for me to tell my client to swap them for Polycoms or something else at a much higher cost. I have heard complaints from my client about the speakerphone and they are now, I guess, getting used to picking up the handset :). I have heard any echo problems so far. What bothers me the most is that the phone stops working often (multiple times per day). By this I mean that my client won't be able to dial anything successfully. As soon as 3 or 4 digits are entered, they get a fast busy. To solve it, they need to reboot it. It sounds as if these phones were running Windows instead of Linux :) Anyway, what firmware did you use that solved so many of your problems? I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom 430 for a much, much better user experience. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:09, Louis-David Mitterrand said: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:26:20PM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: Well, these are encouraging words :) You're basically telling me that I should tell my client to buy other phones. I agree that you cannot compare these phones with Cisco or Polycom. After all, like you said, what do you expect for under $90. However, the fact is that my client just recently invested in these and it will be hard, if not impossible, for me to tell my client to swap them for Polycoms or something else at a much higher cost. I have heard complaints from my client about the speakerphone and they are now, I guess, getting used to picking up the handset :). I have heard any echo problems so far. What bothers me the most is that the phone stops working often (multiple times per day). By this I mean that my client won't be able to dial anything successfully. As soon as 3 or 4 digits are entered, they get a fast busy. To solve it, they need to reboot it. It sounds as if these phones were running Windows instead of Linux :) Anyway, what firmware did you use that solved so many of your problems? I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom 430 for a much, much better user experience. Where do you purchase the Thomson or Polycoms for a comparable price as the GXP2000? I'd like to buy an ST2030 or 430 for under EUR 90 myself too! -- F Peeters PIII 450 - 1 GB - * 1.2 - BRIstuff 0.3.0 Pre 1 - Florz patch 2 Sweex HFC-PCI modes=0 sync_slave=0 timer_card=0 AMD Duron 1GHz - 1GB - * 1.2.1 - vISDN 2 Sweex HFC-PCI cards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
While I would agree with you, the price difference between a GXP-2000 and a Polycom 430 or a Thomson ST-2030. These latter units are, at least, twice as expensive as the GXP-2000.BTW, I never heard of the Thomson ST-2030, but it looks _really_ nice.Thanks,DanielOn Jun 7, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Louis-David Mitterrand wrote:I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom 430 for a much, much better user experience. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 08:27:28AM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: While I would agree with you, the price difference between a GXP-2000 and a Polycom 430 or a Thomson ST-2030. These latter units are, at least, twice as expensive as the GXP-2000. BTW, I never heard of the Thomson ST-2030, but it looks _really_ nice. I get the ST-2030 from a french reseller for ~ 95 EUR/unit. The Polycom IP430 is more in the 140 EUR range however, but it has a real speakerphone and integrated POE (unlike the IP300). ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Any chance of the resellers details ? fadge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louis-David Mitterrand Sent: 07 June 2006 13:36 To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear) On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 08:27:28AM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: While I would agree with you, the price difference between a GXP-2000 and a Polycom 430 or a Thomson ST-2030. These latter units are, at least, twice as expensive as the GXP-2000. BTW, I never heard of the Thomson ST-2030, but it looks _really_ nice. I get the ST-2030 from a french reseller for ~ 95 EUR/unit. The Polycom IP430 is more in the 140 EUR range however, but it has a real speakerphone and integrated POE (unlike the IP300). ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Flames about GXP-2000 poor quality are frequent on this mailing list. I recently setup 80 of these (and I'm waiting for other 30...) to move whole company from a legacy Alcatel PBX to an Asterisk-only solution. At first, I tried some chinese phones (AtCom) and they were a disaster. Then I tried Grandstream phones and it was a real jump: users now are happy, I had only one RMA, quality and stability are good and I'm able to focus myself on improving Asterisk features. IMHO: +100 Euros for a phone are a theft! -- Mimmus ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Hello Mimmus, * Mimmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-06-06 16:52]: At first, I tried some chinese phones (AtCom) and they were a disaster. you talking ybout this phone? http://iaxtalk.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=2 Has anyone some experience with this phone? Best regards, Matthias ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
* Mimmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-06-06 16:52]: At first, I tried some chinese phones (AtCom) and they were a disaster. you talking ybout this phone? http://iaxtalk.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=2 Yes DV ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Hello Mimmus, * Mimmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-06-06 17:20]: Yes good to known. I played with the idea to buy one of these. You would suggest GrandStream then? Best regards, Matthias ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Anyone try out the Snom 300 phone yet? Seems like a decent price. On 6/7/06, Matthias Fechner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mimmus, * Mimmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-06-06 17:20]: Yes good to known. I played with the idea to buy one of these. You would suggest GrandStream then? Best regards, Matthias ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Tom Vile Baldwin Technology Solutions, Inc Consulting - Web Design - VoIP Telephony www.baldwintechsolutions.com Phone: 518-631-2855 x205 Fax: 518-631-2856 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Mimmus wrote: * Mimmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-06-06 16:52]: At first, I tried some chinese phones (AtCom) and they were a disaster. you talking ybout this phone? http://iaxtalk.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=2 Yes DV I've been using some of the cheaper version (320-EE, basically the same but with only 1 network port) and I think it's fair to say that they haven't been all that bad, the IAX firmware is a bit buggy (attended transfers don't work) and the speed dial keys are a waste of space, but for £30, I think they are a decent bit of kit. Mind you, looking at the earlier firmwares, the phones look like they have got a lot better and it is the only phone I know where you can download the source to the firmware. It's basically a case of, for less than half the price of a GXP 2000 it feels solid, it isn't as fully featured (things like no headset port, and no backlight on the generally clear but lower resolution display, you need to pay a bit more for a PoE version and/or a version with 2 network ports). I personally think they are well worth the money, although that's mainly because it's such a small amount. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
I read all the stories and did the homework, but one client wanted under 100/phone. I explained the issues and we went ahead. I have had not one problem with 18 units purchased from VOIPsupply. They sound very good via handset. Can't comment on the speaker phone quality. For the money, they are good phones in my opinion. On Jun 7, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Francesco Peeters (Asterisk) wrote: On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:09, Louis-David Mitterrand said: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:26:20PM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: Well, these are encouraging words :) You're basically telling me that I should tell my client to buy other phones. I agree that you cannot compare these phones with Cisco or Polycom. After all, like you said, what do you expect for under $90. However, the fact is that my client just recently invested in these and it will be hard, if not impossible, for me to tell my client to swap them for Polycoms or something else at a much higher cost. I have heard complaints from my client about the speakerphone and they are now, I guess, getting used to picking up the handset :). I have heard any echo problems so far. What bothers me the most is that the phone stops working often (multiple times per day). By this I mean that my client won't be able to dial anything successfully. As soon as 3 or 4 digits are entered, they get a fast busy. To solve it, they need to reboot it. It sounds as if these phones were running Windows instead of Linux :) Anyway, what firmware did you use that solved so many of your problems? I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom 430 for a much, much better user experience. Where do you purchase the Thomson or Polycoms for a comparable price as the GXP2000? I'd like to buy an ST2030 or 430 for under EUR 90 myself too! -- F Peeters PIII 450 - 1 GB - * 1.2 - BRIstuff 0.3.0 Pre 1 - Florz patch 2 Sweex HFC-PCI modes=0 sync_slave=0 timer_card=0 AMD Duron 1GHz - 1GB - * 1.2.1 - vISDN 2 Sweex HFC-PCI cards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
So far, pretty much every firmware upgrade has been an improvement in one way or another. They're running 1.1.0.13 now which seems to be fairly stable. They still get brief moments of echo, but usually only when the handset volume is up pretty high. I think it'sa hardware problem where the handset microphone is actually picking up the handset speaker audio when it gets real loud. If you do get these phones, I would make it very clear to your customers that this is a very inexpensive phone, aka CHEAP. So don't be surprised if you have some problems every once in a while. But they do have some great features that you only find in more expensive phones and some features even the big boys don't have. They especially work well remotely, extremely nat friendly... which I cannot say for the Cisco's or Polycom's. Erick On 6/7/06, Louis-David Mitterrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:26:20PM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: Well, these are encouraging words :) You're basically telling me that I should tell my client to buy other phones. I agree that you cannot compare these phones with Cisco or Polycom. After all, like you said, what do you expect for under $90. However, the fact is that my client just recently invested in these and it will be hard, if not impossible, for me to tell my client to swap them for Polycoms or something else at a much higher cost. I have heard complaints from my client about the speakerphone and they are now, I guess, getting used to picking up the handset :). I have heard any echo problems so far. What bothers me the most is that the phone stops working often (multiple times per day). By this I mean that my client won't be able to dial anything successfully. As soon as 3 or 4 digits are entered, they get a fast busy. To solve it, they need to reboot it. It sounds as if these phones were running Windows instead of Linux :) Anyway, what firmware did you use that solved so many of your problems?I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom430 for a much, much better user experience.___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --Asterisk-Users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
Is there a way to reduce the gain on the handset mic? Erick Baum wrote: So far, pretty much every firmware upgrade has been an improvement in one way or another. They're running 1.1.0.13 http://1.1.0.13 now which seems to be fairly stable. They still get brief moments of echo, but usually only when the handset volume is up pretty high. I think it's a hardware problem where the handset microphone is actually picking up the handset speaker audio when it gets real loud. If you do get these phones, I would make it very clear to your customers that this is a very inexpensive phone, aka CHEAP. So don't be surprised if you have some problems every once in a while. But they do have some great features that you only find in more expensive phones and some features even the big boys don't have. They especially work well remotely, extremely nat friendly... which I cannot say for the Cisco's or Polycom's. Erick On 6/7/06, *Louis-David Mitterrand* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 11:26:20PM -0400, Daniel Salama wrote: Well, these are encouraging words :) You're basically telling me that I should tell my client to buy other phones. I agree that you cannot compare these phones with Cisco or Polycom. After all, like you said, what do you expect for under $90. However, the fact is that my client just recently invested in these and it will be hard, if not impossible, for me to tell my client to swap them for Polycoms or something else at a much higher cost. I have heard complaints from my client about the speakerphone and they are now, I guess, getting used to picking up the handset :). I have heard any echo problems so far. What bothers me the most is that the phone stops working often (multiple times per day). By this I mean that my client won't be able to dial anything successfully. As soon as 3 or 4 digits are entered, they get a fast busy. To solve it, they need to reboot it. It sounds as if these phones were running Windows instead of Linux :) Anyway, what firmware did you use that solved so many of your problems? I've only had bad experiences with these phones and steer clear of them. In the same price range you can now get the Thomson ST-2030 or Polycom 430 for a much, much better user experience. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com http://Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear)
IMHO, when you buy these phones you are rolling the dice. Not how I like to do business just to save a few bucks/get a few extra clients (who will likely bitch all the time) but that's just me. -Original Message- From: Mimmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:53 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: GXP-2000 (steer clear) Flames about GXP-2000 poor quality are frequent on this mailing list. I recently setup 80 of these (and I'm waiting for other 30...) to move whole company from a legacy Alcatel PBX to an Asterisk-only solution. At first, I tried some chinese phones (AtCom) and they were a disaster. Then I tried Grandstream phones and it was a real jump: users now are happy, I had only one RMA, quality and stability are good and I'm able to focus myself on improving Asterisk features. IMHO: +100 Euros for a phone are a theft! -- Mimmus ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
