Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
Darren Nickerson wrote: "Brian West" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aidan isn't a troll he does raise a very valid point. Which was, I presume, that companies that once collaborated on Asterisk development such as Sangoma don't find themselves on friendly terms with Digium now that they're competing for * implementors $$s? If Aidan's point was that Digium isn't playing nice nice with Sangoma, I think that's politics that most of us don't know enough to comment on, and that should not really concern anyone but the companies involved. So maybe he _is_ a troll. If his point was that the dual licensing model somehow disadvantages companies such as Sangoma, who don't find themselves on a level playing field, and that this causes pain and suffering to * users because of lack of competition in hardware supporting asterisk, well them maybe he's not a troll. Please don't get all protectionist on me and say Digium has earned the right to be the only hardware vendor. I'll respect your right to "Buy Digium" as long as you respect my right to buy the cheapest or perhaps the most critically acclaimed card asterisk-supporting flavor of the month ;-) I know I won't hurt Mark's feelings - he recognizes that competition is a healthy part of the capitalist market Digium is in the process of disrupting. The following is excerpted from: http://news.com.com/Is+the+telephone+industry+ready+for+open+source/2008-1082_3-5737703.html - "Capitalism, to me, is a system of competition in which the end product becomes better and (less expensive) because of competitive forces pushing on it. Open source forces you to have to be more competitive. As you add competitive advantage, that advantage is adopted more rapidly; you can't sit back on your development. It forces you to constantly be innovative because people can use your new thing immediately." -- I think we've already seen the benefits of this competition - we've seen Digium innovate their hardware quite rapidly, adding the often-requested echo cancellation to their already popular T1/E1/J1 boards for instance. But I guess I'm wondering ... does the present licensing model discourage other vendors from contributing to *? I'm not sure Sangoma developers could sign the disclaimers even if they wanted to ... but then again I don't know if there's anyone there with anything to offer. I would think that that fact that they're selling hardware that supports * means that there's _some_ sharp cookies there, but perhaps they're just kernel module/driver hackers out to make a quick buck off of Digiums's back without contributing to the core? -Darren ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users I'll put in my two cents worth! Who actually manufactures the chips? IF they are the same company or equivalent devices, then the firmware/software drivers will be similar and Sangoma products will naturally be workable with *. -- Henry L.Coleman [VoIP-PBX.ca] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
But I guess I'm wondering ... does the present licensing model discourage other vendors from contributing to *? I'm not sure Sangoma developers could sign the disclaimers even if they wanted to ... but then again I don't know if there's anyone there with anything to offer. I would think that that fact that they're selling hardware that supports * means that there's _some_ sharp cookies there, but perhaps they're just kernel module/driver hackers out to make a quick buck off of Digiums's back without contributing to the core?Sangoma does have a disclaimer on file with Digium as well as a few of their resellers that I know of. app_dictate was sponsored by Sangoma.. written by anthm. Competition is great for hardware vendors regardless of who did what... This is the nature of open source. 99% use it... 1% help out!/b___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Aidan Van Dyk wrote: I guess I read 1 more FAQ than you. But I'm not sure how quoting a Google FAQ is libelous FUD. Your original message did not quote a Google FAQ, it accused Digium of joining the SoC program only to collect the $500 mentoring fees. I believe that qualifies :-) My original message on the thread: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.telephony.pbx.asterisk.user:110284 where I quoted that FAQ, and specifically asked if Digium had worked out anything with Google regarding this. And when I ask a followup question to the previously answered one, it's taken as libel? Is this indicative to how Digium people respond to everything (including the company that built the first asterisk-supporting hardware still continuing to make hardware which Asterisk works on)? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
Aidan Van Dyk wrote: Is this indicative to how Digium people respond to everything (including the company that built the first asterisk-supporting hardware still continuing to make hardware which Asterisk works on)? Nothwithstanding the almost-unparseable syntax, let's not feed this troll . . . b. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
Aidan isn't a troll he does raise a very valid point. /b On Jul 23, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Brian Capouch wrote: Aidan Van Dyk wrote: Is this indicative to how Digium people respond to everything (including the company that built the first asterisk-supporting hardware still continuing to make hardware which Asterisk works on)? Nothwithstanding the almost-unparseable syntax, let's not feed this troll . . . b. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Re: Business Edition
Brian West [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aidan isn't a troll he does raise a very valid point. Which was, I presume, that companies that once collaborated on Asterisk development such as Sangoma don't find themselves on friendly terms with Digium now that they're competing for * implementors $$s? If Aidan's point was that Digium isn't playing nice nice with Sangoma, I think that's politics that most of us don't know enough to comment on, and that should not really concern anyone but the companies involved. So maybe he _is_ a troll. If his point was that the dual licensing model somehow disadvantages companies such as Sangoma, who don't find themselves on a level playing field, and that this causes pain and suffering to * users because of lack of competition in hardware supporting asterisk, well them maybe he's not a troll. Please don't get all protectionist on me and say Digium has earned the right to be the only hardware vendor. I'll respect your right to Buy Digium as long as you respect my right to buy the cheapest or perhaps the most critically acclaimed card asterisk-supporting flavor of the month ;-) I know I won't hurt Mark's feelings - he recognizes that competition is a healthy part of the capitalist market Digium is in the process of disrupting. The following is excerpted from: http://news.com.com/Is+the+telephone+industry+ready+for+open+source/2008-1082_3-5737703.html - Capitalism, to me, is a system of competition in which the end product becomes better and (less expensive) because of competitive forces pushing on it. Open source forces you to have to be more competitive. As you add competitive advantage, that advantage is adopted more rapidly; you can't sit back on your development. It forces you to constantly be innovative because people can use your new thing immediately. -- I think we've already seen the benefits of this competition - we've seen Digium innovate their hardware quite rapidly, adding the often-requested echo cancellation to their already popular T1/E1/J1 boards for instance. But I guess I'm wondering ... does the present licensing model discourage other vendors from contributing to *? I'm not sure Sangoma developers could sign the disclaimers even if they wanted to ... but then again I don't know if there's anyone there with anything to offer. I would think that that fact that they're selling hardware that supports * means that there's _some_ sharp cookies there, but perhaps they're just kernel module/driver hackers out to make a quick buck off of Digiums's back without contributing to the core? -Darren ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
Aidan Van Dyk wrote: So what are they planning on doing with the Google Summer of Code results? http://code.google.com/summfaq.html#what_licenses_will_i_have What licenses will I have to choose from? This depends on your mentoring organization. For instance if Google is your mentoring organization, we will require you to choose either the BSD (sans advertising), LGPL or the GPL license for your project. http://code.google.com/summfaq.html#who_owns_the_software_i_w Who owns the software I write? You or your mentoring organization must license your code under a license palatable to your mentoring organization. Some organizations will require you to assign copyright to them, but many will allow you to retain copyright. If Google is your sponsoring organization, then you keep the copyright to your code. Did they really sign up as a mentor just to get the 500 bucks? It's truly amazing how 30 seconds of reading is more productive than spreading libelous FUD. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
Aidan Van Dyk wrote: Kevin P. Fleming wrote: The first two statements are true; the third is not. While you can certainly distribute the code you contribute to us via any other means you wish (under any other license you wish, including the GPL), the Digium Asterisk source tree cannot accept GPL only code. So what are they planning on doing with the Google Summer of Code results? The Summer of Code licensing requirements are sufficiently ambiguous as to allow the Asterisk work to be licensed as public domain, and that would suit Digium just fine, I suspect. Did they really sign up as a mentor just to get the 500 bucks? Well, I'm sure that was an added bonus. :-) Free work and free money. It reminds me of a certain Dire Straits lyric. Lee. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
On Friday 22 July 2005 12:04, Lee Howard wrote: Well, I'm sure that was an added bonus. :-) Free work and free money. It reminds me of a certain Dire Straits lyric. Yes but are the chicks free? -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On Friday 22 July 2005 12:04, Lee Howard wrote: Well, I'm sure that was an added bonus. :-) Free work and free money. It reminds me of a certain Dire Straits lyric. Yes but are the chicks free? Were there many chicks at Astricon? Lee. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 July 2005 12:04, Lee Howard wrote: Well, I'm sure that was an added bonus. :-) Free work and free money. It reminds me of a certain Dire Straits lyric. Yes but are the chicks free? All except for the binary ones. -- _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ K e v i n W a l s h _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 21:26 +0100, Kevin Walsh wrote: Andrew Kohlsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 22 July 2005 12:04, Lee Howard wrote: Well, I'm sure that was an added bonus. :-) Free work and free money. It reminds me of a certain Dire Straits lyric. Yes but are the chicks free? All except for the binary ones. binary only chicks are ready to be executed without a lot of configuration or compilation so that may be a good thing :) -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Re: RE: Business Edition
Kevin P. Fleming wrote: The first two statements are true; the third is not. While you can certainly distribute the code you contribute to us via any other means you wish (under any other license you wish, including the GPL), the Digium Asterisk source tree cannot accept GPL only code. So what are they planning on doing with the Google Summer of Code results? Did they really sign up as a mentor just to get the 500 bucks? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
