[Asterisk-Users] Still unacceptable echo on X101P

2004-08-29 Thread David Cook
I am still having unacceptable echo on my X101P and twidling with the
rx/tx gain levels and echo settings appears to have no discernable
effect.

Some questions for those who may have more significant electrical
engineering background than I.

1. This impedance match thing ... will it affect this solution having
other phones in parallel with the X101P? This is done so that I can
test while not having the system pickup/handle all the calls in the
house until I'm ready to launch it.

2. What about the effects of it being downstream from a DSL line filter?

3. If impendance mismatch is the (or a major contributing) factor, can
we not devise some interface circuit which will allow a variable rate
on the impedance so we can "dial out" the echo based on individual line
conditions?

dbc.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Still unacceptable echo on X101P

2004-08-30 Thread Brent Franks
> >
> >I don't have echo problems on my X100P (at home) but that won't stop
> >me from dumping it in favour of a Sipura SPA-3000 next month, once it
> >gets full UK support in firmware (caller ID etc.).
> >

It may not be a big deal, but other considerations are:

There is another box to manager.

Another box to battery backup.

Another box to fail.

Solving the problem (or atleast determining what causes it) is the more
appropriate course of action.

- Brent

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Still unacceptable echo on X101P

2004-08-30 Thread Kevin Walsh
Brent Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I don't have echo problems on my X100P (at home) but that won't stop
> > > me from dumping it in favour of a Sipura SPA-3000 next month, once it
> > > gets full UK support in firmware (caller ID etc.).
> > > 
> It may not be a big deal, but other considerations are:
> 
> There is another box to manager.
>
Apart from it being physically in a separate box, I don't see the
management problem.  You'd configure it once and forget about it,
which is what you'd do with a X100P or TDM/FXO;  You'd only re-visit
the config if you want to tweak something, which is nothing out of
the ordinary.

> 
> Another box to battery backup.
>
You can plug it into the same UPS as your Asterisk server.  Again,
I don't see the problem.  Having each Sipura on a separate UPS would
be a bit of an overkill.  As they don't draw a lot of power, you could
have a bunch of them on a single power strip and plugged into a single
socket on the UPS.

> 
> Another box to fail.
>
A failure would kill one FXO and one FXS.  It wouldn't take a server
shutdown, and possibly a complete PBX outage, to replace.  That's a
plus point for the SPA, in my opinion.

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RE: [Asterisk-Users] Still unacceptable echo on X101P

2004-08-30 Thread Michael Graves
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:28:59 -0400, Michael Graves wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:21:04 +0100, Kevin Walsh wrote:
>
>>Rich Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> > 3. If impendance mismatch is the (or a major contributing) factor, can
>>> > we not devise some interface circuit which will allow a variable rate
>>> > on the impedance so we can "dial out" the echo based on individual line
>>> > conditions?
>>> >
>>> That would be called the TDM card. It has a chipset that was designed
>>> to match telco standards in many (if not all) countries. In Canada,
>>> if you have x100p echo problems, you'll have them with the tdm card
>>> as well.
>>> 
>>> You'll find plenty of discussion in the archives relative to x100p/tdm
>>> echo problems unrelated to impedence mismatches. Seems there is an issue
>>> with interrupt latency, pci controller, or something like that associated
>>> with some motherboards that "is" impacting echo (as well as other things).
>>> 
>>> Multiple individuals have found that replacing their motherboards fixed
>>> the echo problem with these cards, but no one (as yet) as put their
>>> finger on why with any degree of accuracy. Lots of opinions, but no
>>> real facts to date.
>>> 
>>> [snip]
>>> 
>>> There is a high probability (but this is a wild guess) the echo issue
>>> has something to do with the specific chipset used by the motherboard
>>> manufacturer, and if that guess is correct, probably something to do
>>> with how interrupts are handled or pci controller issues, etc.
>>> Something on certain motherboards seem to be delaying the transfer of
>>> data to/from x100p/tdm cards, and that delay is sufficient enough to
>>> fall outside the limits of the echo cancellation software within *.
>>> 
>>You could go to a lot of time, effort and expense buying a TDM card,
>>fitting a new motherboard (PCI 2.2), fiddling with gains and trying
>>all of the other suggestions that have been posted, or you could just
>>buy an external FXO device, such as a Sipura SPA-3000, and expect it
>>to just work.
>>
>>External devices are not sensitive to PCI latency and are not
>>concerned with the brand of motherboard you use.  All facilities,
>>such as echo cancellation, are provided onboard rather than via a
>>software driver.
>>
>>I don't have echo problems on my X100P (at home) but that won't stop
>>me from dumping it in favour of a Sipura SPA-3000 next month, once it
>>gets full UK support in firmware (caller ID etc.).
>>
>
>Bear in mind that many of us who have been using the SPA-3000 in the US
>have also been experiencing echo related problems. I'm trying the
>latest firmware which is only a few days old, but I'm pretty close to
>chucking it in favor of something else.
>

After a day and a half of using the SPA-3000 with v2.1.0 firmware I can
say that they echo problem is much better. Not wholly resolved, but
better. I still have to jack up the PSTN>VOIP gain setting a lot in
order to hear the incomming caller.

Michael

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