RE: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
According to Ed Guy at Bellster The most specific routes takes precedence. For example, if you are calling 1-212-555-1212 first routes for 1-212-555 are checked, then 1-212, then 1 until a non-congested route is found. (The searching is actually a bit more general -- matching is done on a per digit basis to meet international needs, but I cant image why anyone would publish a route of 1-21) /ed PS. 1-XXX-555- is blocked. I just use that as an example. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jay Austad Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:26 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming... I signed up for the FWD forums, but didn't receive my confirmation email. So, since the FWD guys read this, I though I'd post here. If you read the route report, +1 currently has 11720 available calls. If you look at the routes for specific area codes/prefixes, they all have a much smaller number of available calls each. How does Bellster determine what IAX trunk to try first? Does it round-robin all of the possible matches? Or, does it try to pick the most specific route and then gradually try less specific ones until one works? Given a round-robin or random type scenario, people like me who have very specific routes (612,651,952, and 763 area codes) are not going to get many calls routed through our systems, therefore we will have a very hard time accruing credits. People who offer routes to +1 are going to get an enormous number of credits and unintentionally hoard them by not possibly being able to use them all. People who offer routes to less used area codes can end up using all of their credits and being starved until a call randomly gets routed to them, even though they have in good faith offered up their system for use. Obviously trying more specific routes first is the better solution, but it still doesn't address the problem of people in infrequently called areas being starved for credits. For example, the 701 area code is ND. All calls between cities there are LD. So, my local calling area there in a small town might be 1701493. How many people will use Bellster to call a town of 600 people? There's no reward for someone in a small town to run it because even if someone did call the small town, the guys offering +1 routes are more likely to handle the call, and he'll never get any credits to use the system. Maybe there should be a credit donation feature, where you can donate a certain percentage or number of calls back into a pool that will get distributed evenly among people who handle few calls due to the neglect of the scheduling system or the fact that no one ever calls BFE, ND. Or maybe a weighting/precendence system would be better, where everyone on the network is assigned a precedence of say 1000. That number would get decremented for every minute (or a certain amount of time) they use the network, and also for time they are not even connected up to the network. When it reaches zero, they can't make calls. Time spent connected to the network will slowly regenerate their precedence, and calls they handle for others will more quickly regenerate. You could even use this to implement a queueing system, where if no lines are available because they are in use to a certain route, it puts them in a hold queue based on their precedence related to others in the queue waiting to put a call through, maybe even add a dialback feature so they don't have to wait on hold while the line is in use, when they pick up, they get some sort of message the line is available and press 1 to continue placing their call. Anyway, the basic point of this message is that there is currently not much incentive for people in remote/infrequently called areas to sign up. They will end up making their 10 calls and then be providing a service for others and not getting anything out of it. Additionally, it's dangerous to allow routes for toll-free numbers in the US. Some adult lines use toll-free numbers, but have a menu option to charge the call to your phone bill, even though it's not a 900 number. ~jay ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
Jay, Thanks for the feedback. You seem to be missing one of the basic premises of bellster: it is an equitable sharing network where The [Calls] you take are equal to the [Calls] you make. Route selection is done heuristically favoring the least used of the most direct (or more fully specified) routes. Many routes are attempted until the call is successfully routed. It is neither round-robin or random. For instance, if Marge Gunderson in Fargo runs the only bellster node for her small exchange in North Dakota, calls to that exchange will go there first, then if there is no PSTN path available, it attempt higher level routes (e.g., the area code, then the country) until a working one is found. I'll add these features as schedule permits: * Altruistic Routes where the caller need not have any credits to call. * Points Transfer On the chargeable 800 numbers, please provide specific details off-list. /ed guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. recent features: * Quiet Calls. (sans Allison) * ENUM directory. (server side is done -- hopefully someone will donate the client side.) see http://www.bellster.net/web/NewFeatures PPS. for your FWD mailing list problem, visit support at: http://www.fwdnet.net/content/view/full/373/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jay Austad Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:26 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming... I signed up for the FWD forums, but didn't receive my confirmation email. So, since the FWD guys read this, I though I'd post here. If you read the route report, +1 currently has 11720 available calls. If you look at the routes for specific area codes/prefixes, they all have a much smaller number of available calls each. How does Bellster determine what IAX trunk to try first? Does it round-robin all of the possible matches? Or, does it try to pick the most specific route and then gradually try less specific ones until one works? Given a round-robin or random type scenario, people like me who have very specific routes (612,651,952, and 763 area codes) are not going to get many calls routed through our systems, therefore we will have a very hard time accruing credits. People who offer routes to +1 are going to get an enormous number of credits and unintentionally hoard them by not possibly being able to use them all. People who offer routes to less used area codes can end up using all of their credits and being starved until a call randomly gets routed to them, even though they have in good faith offered up their system for use. Obviously trying more specific routes first is the better solution, but it still doesn't address the problem of people in infrequently called areas being starved for credits. For example, the 701 area code is ND. All calls between cities there are LD. So, my local calling area there in a small town might be 1701493. How many people will use Bellster to call a town of 600 people? There's no reward for someone in a small town to run it because even if someone did call the small town, the guys offering +1 routes are more likely to handle the call, and he'll never get any credits to use the system. Maybe there should be a credit donation feature, where you can donate a certain percentage or number of calls back into a pool that will get distributed evenly among people who handle few calls due to the neglect of the scheduling system or the fact that no one ever calls BFE, ND. Or maybe a weighting/precendence system would be better, where everyone on the network is assigned a precedence of say 1000. That number would get decremented for every minute (or a certain amount of time) they use the network, and also for time they are not even connected up to the network. When it reaches zero, they can't make calls. Time spent connected to the network will slowly regenerate their precedence, and calls they handle for others will more quickly regenerate. You could even use this to implement a queueing system, where if no lines are available because they are in use to a certain route, it puts them in a hold queue based on their precedence related to others in the queue waiting to put a call through, maybe even add a dialback feature so they don't have to wait on hold while the line is in use, when they pick up, they get some sort of message the line is available and press 1 to continue placing their call. Anyway, the basic point of this message is that there is currently not much incentive for people in remote/infrequently called areas to sign up. They will end up making their 10 calls and then be providing a service for others and not getting anything out of it. Additionally, it's dangerous to allow routes for toll-free numbers in the US. Some adult lines use toll-free numbers, but have a menu option to charge the call to your phone bill, even though it's not a 900 number. ~jay
Re: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
Ed Guy wrote: . You seem to be missing one of the basic premises of bellster: it is an equitable sharing network where The [Calls] you take are equal to the [Calls] you make. What about those of us who have the (mis?)fortune to live in homely exchanges like Monon, Indiana, USA, where nobody wants to make love to us? B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
I signed up for the FWD forums, but didn't receive my confirmation email. So, since the FWD guys read this, I though I'd post here. If you read the route report, +1 currently has 11720 available calls. If you look at the routes for specific area codes/prefixes, they all have a much smaller number of available calls each. How does Bellster determine what IAX trunk to try first? Does it round-robin all of the possible matches? Or, does it try to pick the most specific route and then gradually try less specific ones until one works? Given a round-robin or random type scenario, people like me who have very specific routes (612,651,952, and 763 area codes) are not going to get many calls routed through our systems, therefore we will have a very hard time accruing credits. People who offer routes to +1 are going to get an enormous number of credits and unintentionally hoard them by not possibly being able to use them all. People who offer routes to less used area codes can end up using all of their credits and being starved until a call randomly gets routed to them, even though they have in good faith offered up their system for use. Obviously trying more specific routes first is the better solution, but it still doesn't address the problem of people in infrequently called areas being starved for credits. For example, the 701 area code is ND. All calls between cities there are LD. So, my local calling area there in a small town might be 1701493. How many people will use Bellster to call a town of 600 people? There's no reward for someone in a small town to run it because even if someone did call the small town, the guys offering +1 routes are more likely to handle the call, and he'll never get any credits to use the system. Maybe there should be a credit donation feature, where you can donate a certain percentage or number of calls back into a pool that will get distributed evenly among people who handle few calls due to the neglect of the scheduling system or the fact that no one ever calls BFE, ND. Or maybe a weighting/precendence system would be better, where everyone on the network is assigned a precedence of say 1000. That number would get decremented for every minute (or a certain amount of time) they use the network, and also for time they are not even connected up to the network. When it reaches zero, they can't make calls. Time spent connected to the network will slowly regenerate their precedence, and calls they handle for others will more quickly regenerate. You could even use this to implement a queueing system, where if no lines are available because they are in use to a certain route, it puts them in a hold queue based on their precedence related to others in the queue waiting to put a call through, maybe even add a dialback feature so they don't have to wait on hold while the line is in use, when they pick up, they get some sort of message the line is available and press 1 to continue placing their call. Anyway, the basic point of this message is that there is currently not much incentive for people in remote/infrequently called areas to sign up. They will end up making their 10 calls and then be providing a service for others and not getting anything out of it. Additionally, it's dangerous to allow routes for toll-free numbers in the US. Some adult lines use toll-free numbers, but have a menu option to charge the call to your phone bill, even though it's not a 900 number. ~jay ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
Jay Austad wrote: Additionally, it's dangerous to allow routes for toll-free numbers in the US. Some adult lines use toll-free numbers, but have a menu option to charge the call to your phone bill, even though it's not a 900 number. Damn that sux! If I had a charge from a tollfree number there's no way I'd be paying it! Do you have a list of these numbers so that I can call them though FWD? :) -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming...
Just stay up watching TV past midnight, and you can generate a small list of these for yourself. -Original Message- From: Matt Riddell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:33 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] bellster credits problem coming... Jay Austad wrote: Additionally, it's dangerous to allow routes for toll-free numbers in the US. Some adult lines use toll-free numbers, but have a menu option to charge the call to your phone bill, even though it's not a 900 number. Damn that sux! If I had a charge from a tollfree number there's no way I'd be paying it! Do you have a list of these numbers so that I can call them though FWD? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
