RE: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
What is particularly weird is that if I connect a call to Echo on my local server, I don;t usually get this oscillation, however if I connect it to Echo on another Asterisk server (over IAX), it does happen. The main difference will be the delay in the echo, as the software versions are within the last two days. The Echo application is the same on both, and the call should be entirely digital so there should be no gain differences and there is no echo suppression on the IAX link, so it must be the local Zap echo canceller fighting with the apparently longer line? Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2004 21:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation I wonder if your issue and mine are related somehow. I have a asterisk server with 4 FXO cards in it, and when a call comes in one ZAP channel, then dials out another, I hear what could be described as a steam engine starting up. It starts off kinda slower/ quiet, then quickly (in about 2-4 seconds) completely over powers the line. The only way I could stop it was by adjusting the gains. rxgain=-8.5 txgain=4 Seemed to do the trick. As did: rxgain=-6.5 txgain=1 An rxgain of even -8.0 or -6.0 in either case would result in this steam engine sound. -8.5 or -6.5 would make it go away completely. I'm using a CVS checkout from yesterday, and I tried with both echotraining=800 and turning echo cancellation off completely. Neither made any difference. It would be really nice to be able to use a positive rxgain value. I haven't tried with the echo app, but using just one FXO card works fine with almost any rx/txgain value. As soon as the call utilizes two FXO card at the same time, the steam engine sound occurs. On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 16:26 +0100, Whisker, Peter wrote: Has anyone seen this problem before? I have a server with a single X100P card. The audio level is a low, but if I raise the gain to more than -2db (Rx + Tx) it starts to oscillate in an echo test. Not at a high frequency but with a noise that is best described as a steam engine starting up. It then starts to clip and crackle. If I bring the gain down to Rx=-2.0 and Tx=0.0 or lower then it settles down but it is very very quiet. I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Mike Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
Thanks for the responses. I have tried it with aggressive cancellation both on and off. I think that on helps a tiny bit. I'm glad that Mike Benoit as seen something similar, but of course sorry that he is suffering like me! It is worse when I have a Phone-switch-X100P-IAX-Internet-IAX-X100P-switch-Phone link set up. The other thing which may have helped a bit is using a large set of IAX Jitter buffers. It may be the latency which is helping though, rather than the anti-jitter aspects. Peter -Original Message- From: Brian McSpadden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2004 22:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation Try recompiling your zaptel package without the aggressive echo cancellation enabled. I have aggressive cancellation help before, I but I have also seen it hurt things before. Brian On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:26:32 +0100, Whisker, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
I find that if I drop the RX gain too much I start to lose DTMF decoding. The Asterisk calls lose at least 3-6db end-to-end compared with a normal call. If I bring the gain up, the symptoms sound exactly like yours. The gain I am using is more like Rx=-2, Tx=0 but this is still quite quiet. I guess that line impedance mismatch between US and European standards accounts for some of the gain loss. Peter -Original Message- From: Mike Benoit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2004 21:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation I wonder if your issue and mine are related somehow. I have a asterisk server with 4 FXO cards in it, and when a call comes in one ZAP channel, then dials out another, I hear what could be described as a steam engine starting up. It starts off kinda slower/ quiet, then quickly (in about 2-4 seconds) completely over powers the line. The only way I could stop it was by adjusting the gains. rxgain=-8.5 txgain=4 Seemed to do the trick. As did: rxgain=-6.5 txgain=1 An rxgain of even -8.0 or -6.0 in either case would result in this steam engine sound. -8.5 or -6.5 would make it go away completely. I'm using a CVS checkout from yesterday, and I tried with both echotraining=800 and turning echo cancellation off completely. Neither made any difference. It would be really nice to be able to use a positive rxgain value. I haven't tried with the echo app, but using just one FXO card works fine with almost any rx/txgain value. As soon as the call utilizes two FXO card at the same time, the steam engine sound occurs. On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 16:26 +0100, Whisker, Peter wrote: Has anyone seen this problem before? I have a server with a single X100P card. The audio level is a low, but if I raise the gain to more than -2db (Rx + Tx) it starts to oscillate in an echo test. Not at a high frequency but with a noise that is best described as a steam engine starting up. It then starts to clip and crackle. If I bring the gain down to Rx=-2.0 and Tx=0.0 or lower then it settles down but it is very very quiet. I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Mike Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
Has anyone seen this problem before? I have a server with a single X100P card. The audio level is a low, but if I raise the gain to more than -2db (Rx + Tx) it starts to oscillate in an echo test. Not at a high frequency but with a noise that is best described as a steam engine starting up. It then starts to clip and crackle. If I bring the gain down to Rx=-2.0 and Tx=0.0 or lower then it settles down but it is very very quiet. I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
I wonder if your issue and mine are related somehow. I have a asterisk server with 4 FXO cards in it, and when a call comes in one ZAP channel, then dials out another, I hear what could be described as a steam engine starting up. It starts off kinda slower/ quiet, then quickly (in about 2-4 seconds) completely over powers the line. The only way I could stop it was by adjusting the gains. rxgain=-8.5 txgain=4 Seemed to do the trick. As did: rxgain=-6.5 txgain=1 An rxgain of even -8.0 or -6.0 in either case would result in this steam engine sound. -8.5 or -6.5 would make it go away completely. I'm using a CVS checkout from yesterday, and I tried with both echotraining=800 and turning echo cancellation off completely. Neither made any difference. It would be really nice to be able to use a positive rxgain value. I haven't tried with the echo app, but using just one FXO card works fine with almost any rx/txgain value. As soon as the call utilizes two FXO card at the same time, the steam engine sound occurs. On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 16:26 +0100, Whisker, Peter wrote: Has anyone seen this problem before? I have a server with a single X100P card. The audio level is a low, but if I raise the gain to more than -2db (Rx + Tx) it starts to oscillate in an echo test. Not at a high frequency but with a noise that is best described as a steam engine starting up. It then starts to clip and crackle. If I bring the gain down to Rx=-2.0 and Tx=0.0 or lower then it settles down but it is very very quiet. I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Mike Benoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Zap X100P oscillation
Try recompiling your zaptel package without the aggressive echo cancellation enabled. I have aggressive cancellation help before, I but I have also seen it hurt things before. Brian On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:26:32 +0100, Whisker, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have tried the latest CVS Head with echotraining=800 set and also complied with the aggressive echo cancelling, but nothing seems to help. Ideas welcome! Many thanks Peter Whisker This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] zap x100p
I have 2 X100P cards that I am using to handle voicemail, but I have problem. It takes about 3 to 4 rings before they pick up. Anyone have any idea why it takes so long to pickup and answer? Or is there a way to control this? -- respectfully, Joseph ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] zap x100p
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:04, Joseph wrote: I have 2 X100P cards that I am using to handle voicemail, but I have problem. It takes about 3 to 4 rings before they pick up. Anyone have any idea why it takes so long to pickup and answer? Or is there a way to control this? Do a minor amount of research, please. This smacks of being too lazy to do your own work since we have covered this at least 2 times in the last 2 weeks. You must have 1 ring to know there was a ring. Bellcore Callerid comes after the 1st ring, but can be out into the gap after the 2nd ring. If you are using callerid, asterisk waits for this. Then if you have a wait in your dialplan like the examples do, then you are pushing into the next ring. All explained in normal signaling patterns that we have gone over now more than 3 times in the last month. No one else should have an excuse to be this lazy again. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] zap x100p
Thanks for the answer. I only joined the list 4 days and did not mean to ask a reduntant question. I will see if I can get it fixed. I assume turning callerid would not make it wait for that, so the shortest amount of time might be 1 to 2 rings then? Any tips on debugging callerid problems? On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 11:15, Steven Critchfield wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:04, Joseph wrote: I have 2 X100P cards that I am using to handle voicemail, but I have problem. It takes about 3 to 4 rings before they pick up. Anyone have any idea why it takes so long to pickup and answer? Or is there a way to control this? Do a minor amount of research, please. This smacks of being too lazy to do your own work since we have covered this at least 2 times in the last 2 weeks. You must have 1 ring to know there was a ring. Bellcore Callerid comes after the 1st ring, but can be out into the gap after the 2nd ring. If you are using callerid, asterisk waits for this. Then if you have a wait in your dialplan like the examples do, then you are pushing into the next ring. All explained in normal signaling patterns that we have gone over now more than 3 times in the last month. No one else should have an excuse to be this lazy again. -- respectfully, Joseph ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] zap x100p
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:32, Joseph wrote: Thanks for the answer. I only joined the list 4 days and did not mean to ask a reduntant question. This is why the mailing list is archived by digium and indexed by google. Redundant questions should be easily covered. I'm not sure but the wiki may even cover the answer at voip-info.org. I will see if I can get it fixed. I assume turning callerid would not make it wait for that, so the shortest amount of time might be 1 to 2 rings then? Any tips on debugging callerid problems? usecallerid=no or some such item in zapata.conf, then make sure there are no wait() lines before the answer() line that your call would take. On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 11:15, Steven Critchfield wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:04, Joseph wrote: I have 2 X100P cards that I am using to handle voicemail, but I have problem. It takes about 3 to 4 rings before they pick up. Anyone have any idea why it takes so long to pickup and answer? Or is there a way to control this? Do a minor amount of research, please. This smacks of being too lazy to do your own work since we have covered this at least 2 times in the last 2 weeks. You must have 1 ring to know there was a ring. Bellcore Callerid comes after the 1st ring, but can be out into the gap after the 2nd ring. If you are using callerid, asterisk waits for this. Then if you have a wait in your dialplan like the examples do, then you are pushing into the next ring. All explained in normal signaling patterns that we have gone over now more than 3 times in the last month. No one else should have an excuse to be this lazy again. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] zap x100p
Thanks a million. On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:04, Steven Critchfield wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:32, Joseph wrote: Thanks for the answer. I only joined the list 4 days and did not mean to ask a reduntant question. This is why the mailing list is archived by digium and indexed by google. Redundant questions should be easily covered. I'm not sure but the wiki may even cover the answer at voip-info.org. I will see if I can get it fixed. I assume turning callerid would not make it wait for that, so the shortest amount of time might be 1 to 2 rings then? Any tips on debugging callerid problems? usecallerid=no or some such item in zapata.conf, then make sure there are no wait() lines before the answer() line that your call would take. On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 11:15, Steven Critchfield wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:04, Joseph wrote: I have 2 X100P cards that I am using to handle voicemail, but I have problem. It takes about 3 to 4 rings before they pick up. Anyone have any idea why it takes so long to pickup and answer? Or is there a way to control this? Do a minor amount of research, please. This smacks of being too lazy to do your own work since we have covered this at least 2 times in the last 2 weeks. You must have 1 ring to know there was a ring. Bellcore Callerid comes after the 1st ring, but can be out into the gap after the 2nd ring. If you are using callerid, asterisk waits for this. Then if you have a wait in your dialplan like the examples do, then you are pushing into the next ring. All explained in normal signaling patterns that we have gone over now more than 3 times in the last month. No one else should have an excuse to be this lazy again. -- respectfully, Joseph ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
