Re: [asterisk-users] ECHO Cancellation in SIP Calls

2006-10-26 Thread Stefan Agethen



Hi,

i am from Germany, so excuse my School English.

I use Asteriks 1.2.12.1, zaptel 1.2.9 and mISDN Rc25 - since my update 
of Asterisk 2 wooks ago, Echos accure in my SIP Calls.


I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call myself 
via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN)
but if i call other people there occures Echo many times. The Routing is 
always the same :

SIP (SNOM) -> Asterisk -> VoIPProvider -> ISDN/POTS

Can i control the cancellation with the zapata.conf ?



The snom phones are pretty decent devices and shouldn't introduce echo.
Your latency might be too high between asterisk + voipprovider
introducing a delay that is noticed as echo.
You are hearing the echo that is introduced on the callers side.
As I understand it, when you are calling someone there is no zap
involved and thus you can't cancel it with zapata.conf.
if you look at voip-info.org [1] you'll find a good explanation why you
can't use an echo canceller to cancel that sort of echo.
So, check the path between you and the voipprovider, e.g. connection
saturation, ping times etc
(This is assuming you have a proper lan connection between
asterisk/snom)

Conrad

[1] http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+Echo
+Cancellation
  

Hi Conrad,

thanks for your help, this is the way i understand it all the time, a 
year ago i have optimized my Business Lan for VoIP and there is no loss 
or lag anymore, the Provider seems to be okay, i have pinged him for one 
day with MTR, no great loss or high ping.


Some days ago i have read a Thread about EC-Cancellation in SIP Calls 
with the zapata.conf and never understood how this could work, thats the 
beginning of my question ;)
In my case, there is no Zap, you are right. So i must start at the 
beginning and search for a lag...


The EC started two or weeks ago after one year of great communication, 
in this time i updated Asterisk from 1.2.10 to 1.2.12.1 and zaptel from 
1.2.7 to 1.2.9 ...


I will watch the Quality and the latency next timeThx for your time !

Stefan
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Re: [asterisk-users] ECHO Cancellation in SIP Calls

2006-10-26 Thread Conrad Wood

> > I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call myself 
> > via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN)
> > but if i call other people there occures Echo many times. The Routing is 
> > always the same :
> > SIP (SNOM) -> Asterisk -> VoIPProvider -> ISDN/POTS
> > 
> > Can i control the cancellation with the zapata.conf ?
> 
> Sure, but only for Zaptel channels. Not for mISDN channels. If you use
> ZapBRI, this would be the place to configure echo cancelling.
> 


The important bit is:
"I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call
myself via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN) but if i call
other people[...]"

If *he* calls other people he's not going to use zap or misdn, as far as
he is concerned it is SIP all the way. (the voip provider puts it into
pots)

Conrad

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Re: [asterisk-users] ECHO Cancellation in SIP Calls

2006-10-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 12:18:20PM +0200, Stefan Agethen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i am from Germany, so excuse my School English.
> 
> I use Asteriks 1.2.12.1, zaptel 1.2.9 and mISDN Rc25 - since my update 
> of Asterisk 2 wooks ago, Echos accure in my SIP Calls.
> 
> I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call myself 
> via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN)
> but if i call other people there occures Echo many times. The Routing is 
> always the same :
> SIP (SNOM) -> Asterisk -> VoIPProvider -> ISDN/POTS
> 
> Can i control the cancellation with the zapata.conf ?

Sure, but only for Zaptel channels. Not for mISDN channels. If you use
ZapBRI, this would be the place to configure echo cancelling.

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Re: [asterisk-users] ECHO Cancellation in SIP Calls

2006-10-26 Thread Conrad Wood
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 12:18 +0200, Stefan Agethen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i am from Germany, so excuse my School English.
> 
> I use Asteriks 1.2.12.1, zaptel 1.2.9 and mISDN Rc25 - since my update 
> of Asterisk 2 wooks ago, Echos accure in my SIP Calls.
> 
> I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call myself 
> via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN)
> but if i call other people there occures Echo many times. The Routing is 
> always the same :
> SIP (SNOM) -> Asterisk -> VoIPProvider -> ISDN/POTS
> 
> Can i control the cancellation with the zapata.conf ?

The snom phones are pretty decent devices and shouldn't introduce echo.
Your latency might be too high between asterisk + voipprovider
introducing a delay that is noticed as echo.
You are hearing the echo that is introduced on the callers side.
As I understand it, when you are calling someone there is no zap
involved and thus you can't cancel it with zapata.conf.
if you look at voip-info.org [1] you'll find a good explanation why you
can't use an echo canceller to cancel that sort of echo.
So, check the path between you and the voipprovider, e.g. connection
saturation, ping times etc
(This is assuming you have a proper lan connection between
asterisk/snom)

Conrad

[1] http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/index.php?page=Asterisk+Echo
+Cancellation

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[asterisk-users] ECHO Cancellation in SIP Calls

2006-10-26 Thread Stefan Agethen

Hi,

i am from Germany, so excuse my School English.

I use Asteriks 1.2.12.1, zaptel 1.2.9 and mISDN Rc25 - since my update 
of Asterisk 2 wooks ago, Echos accure in my SIP Calls.


I use SNOM 360, sometimes there is no echo (for example if i call myself 
via SIP->Asterisk->SIPProvider->TELEKOM->ISDN)
but if i call other people there occures Echo many times. The Routing is 
always the same :

SIP (SNOM) -> Asterisk -> VoIPProvider -> ISDN/POTS

Can i control the cancellation with the zapata.conf ?

I have tried this with "echocancel=..." and so on, no luck :(

I would be glad to get some help, the Docs of Asterisk dont explain how 
to cancel Echos in ! SIP !

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