Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 03:43:26PM -0600, Douglas Garstang wrote:
[ Unnecessary flames snipped ]
I did mention the code. I mentioned the two python API's, and the perl API.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyst
http://py-asterisk.berlios.de/py-asterisk.php
http://search.cpan.org/~xantus/POE-Component-Client-Asterisk-Manager/Manager.pm
I haven't tried the python interface. I have experimented a bit with the
perl Asterisk POE component.
perldoc POE::Component::Client::Asterisk::Manager
gives you a nice little program. However you must realise that it is
part of a bigger framework (POE). Try
perldoc POE
for starters.
Also note that those modules don't attempt to give you a full
documentation of the Asterisk manager interface, as the manager
interface's specific functions depend on the availbility of specific
modules in the Asterisk installation and of the version of Asterisk. The
manager interface has basic documentation in Asterisk ('show manager
command foo' or 'show manager commands').
IIRC, however, something I found lacking at that wrapper to the manager
interface is that its main loop does not give a separate ID to each
command I send. And thus it can be confused when you get a fast flow of
events.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
16 aug 2006 kl. 23.01 skrev Michael Collins: Doug, I'm sure that you are not the only one who considers an API w/o docs to be of limited or no value. I just doubt that many people have use for a management API because they don't use the Asterisk manager interface very much. Manager actions are well documented in the CLI from Asterisk version 1.2. There's also a readme file. The only part of manager that is poorly documented today is all the manager events - any help to document those are appreciated. If you don't think the manager action documentation is correct or enough, I look forward to your input and patches/suggestions. /Olle --- * Olle E. Johansson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Asterisk Training http://edvina.net/training/ * Asterisk Beachcamp - Malaga, Spain! September 25-29 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Actually, because there's no documentation, I don't have anything that I can use. -Original Message- From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Some of them write it for them selves and out of the goodness of thier heart will put out there for free. They dont need doc's since they wrote it them selves. Be happy that you got it for free. Do you want people to stop releasing code because others complain ? - Original Message - From: John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: Moises Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:20 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? They have not provided a solution to anyones problem except their own, and have no added value to the open source community in any way, except to create 'vapourware' whereby software appears to be available, but is unusable, because no one can work out how to make it work. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. I'll refer to my opinion above. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: John Novack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:40 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? Green pastures for sure. I think people develop the code, thinking they will write docs later on. By the time they get close to releasing their code, they've lost interest, or the priority of this project has decreased. It's human nature. The open source community then ends up with software thats unusable. Is it so ludicrous that if you develop an API that you document it? We're not talking about developing a fahrenheight-celcius converter in basic here. We're talking about an Application Programming Iinterface! It's a programming interface. It's not the same as some GUI where you can get an idea of how it works by using it. If an API doesn't have any docs, it's completely useless. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: Stefan Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's John Novack wrote: I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. To make this thread even more constructive: What kind of documentation do you expect from a Manager API package? 1. A documenation of the functions, arguments, classes, objects. 2. Some basic examples, because 1. means nothing without examples. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:15 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas Garstang wrote: Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Have you taken your be nice on the lists pill today? The most likely explanation is that people have written these interfaces primarily for their own use, and when they decided to share with others, only had/made time to minimally document them. Do you understand that? You've got me doubting you can't understand such things, so I wonder why you *say* you don't understand. Unless you enjoy being a troll. I must be about the only person who thinks that an API without documentation is completely useless. As I said in another post, this isn't some GUI where you can poke around with it and work out how it works by experimentation. Documentation of the API is essential. Why did they have time to write it, but suddenly run out of time when it came time to document? It's human nature to start something and lose interest. Given that documentation always happens at the end, it's what usually suffers. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
The manager interface isn't some mystical beast that can't be overcome. Try the wiki if you're lost. Really people scripting isn't that hard. If you don't like the way people do code, there's nothing stopping you from writing something new (except for lack of skill but that's why people do it for a living). You buy them books, send them to school and all they do is eat the pages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Garstang Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:29 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Actually, because there's no documentation, I don't have anything that I can use. -Original Message- From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Some of them write it for them selves and out of the goodness of thier heart will put out there for free. They dont need doc's since they wrote it them selves. Be happy that you got it for free. Do you want people to stop releasing code because others complain ? - Original Message - From: John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
It's plain and simple the answer to this... If you fall into any of these categories: a) Don't understand code to begin with b) Don't want to take the time to understand the code c) Don't have the time to understand the code d) Don't want to pay the the person who made the code to help you e) Can't find anyone else using the code f) Can't find the programer g) Have walked to the ends of the earth and exhausted all your online resources for finding more info out about the code and still no luck. You basically need to go with some commercial company and pay them. Go to the .biz list I for one have used numerous open source free code...and sometimes it was a struggle...but most of the time you can find the programmer's email in the sourcecode...a lot of them are willing to give you some help/info. I haven't seen you mention any particular code by name you are having trouble with either. Maybe if you did...someone here has already figured it out and would be willing to help. - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Actually, because there's no documentation, I don't have anything that I can use. -Original Message- From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Some of them write it for them selves and out of the goodness of thier heart will put out there for free. They dont need doc's since they wrote it them selves. Be happy that you got it for free. Do you want people to stop releasing code because others complain ? - Original Message - From: John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? Because they probably wrote it for something they needed and released it to the general public...to those that want to take the time to figure out how such and such handled the problem they had. If people wanted to try and understand it fine...if they didn't fine...is how they looked at it...I mean if I write something specifically for me and released it cause I thought someone with a high understanding of what they were doing would want to use it...I wouldn't write documentation for it either. If I wrote something specifically to release to the public...I would write documentation for it. - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's -Original Message- From: Moises Silva [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:20 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? They have not provided a solution to anyones problem except their own, and have no added value to the open source community in any way, except to create 'vapourware' whereby software appears to be available, but is unusable, because no one can work out how to make it work. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. I'll refer to my opinion above. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Douglas has a point, and a legitimate one at that. Setting aside your personal feelings about Doug and his style of commenting, please consider that 'lack of documentation' is either the first- or second-most-often cited criticism leveled against open-source software and the OSS community. Lack of documentation *IS* a serious challenge with OSS. That is why it is considered poor style to upload some code to SourceForge.net and document it by saying, Look at the source code and figure it out your self. Even a modicum of documentation, be it a brief listing of available methods or a few sample scripts with one or two sentences explaining what they do is quantum leaps above source code only documentation. Am I trying to criticize someone who gifts to the world the fruits of his/her labor? No. I'm simply saying that a little documentation makes such a gift infinitely more useful to the recipients. One person spending a few hours documenting his code will save hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of man-hours of end users figuring it out. That is a serious return on investment if ever there was one. -MC In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? They have not provided a solution to anyones problem except their own, and have no added value to the open source community in any way, except to create 'vapourware' whereby software appears to be available, but is unusable, because no one can work out how to make it work. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Douglas Garstang wrote: 1. A documenation of the functions, arguments, classes, objects. http://www.asterisk.org/doxygen/ - Use it. If it is not clear, ask a very specific question on the appropriate list. Then perhaps submit a documentation issue once others agree the documentation needs to be clearer/added 2. Some basic examples, because 1. means nothing without examples. Use Google - I see all kinds of examples out there. Jeremy McNamara P.S. Where in the GPL does it say that documentation is required? If you are not prepared to be neck deep into the code, then open-source is not for you. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Doug, I'm sure that you are not the only one who considers an API w/o docs to be of limited or no value. I just doubt that many people have use for a management API because they don't use the Asterisk manager interface very much. On a side note: some folks who have limited programming abilities but who otherwise want to contribute to the community have been know to figure it out and then document it. If there's a great API w/o any docs, someone might volunteer to do the dirty work. If the management API in question seems useful then I would ask: is anyone interested in creating some documentation? It could be submitted to the module's author for review, which might stimulate him to get involved in the documentation process. Just a thought... -MC I must be about the only person who thinks that an API without documentation is completely useless. As I said in another post, this isn't some GUI where you can poke around with it and work out how it works by experimentation. Documentation of the API is essential. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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- Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Green pastures for sure. I think people develop the code, thinking they will write docs later on. By the time they get close to releasing their code, they've lost interest, or the priority of this project has decreased. It's human nature. The open source community then ends up with software thats unusable. Is it so ludicrous that if you develop an API that you document it? We're not talking about developing a fahrenheight-celcius converter in basic here. We're talking about an Application Programming Iinterface! It's a programming interface. It's not the same as some GUI where you can get an idea of how it works by using it. If an API doesn't have any docs, it's completely useless. I don't think anybody completely disagrees with you. Documentation is important, and people like Jared Smith and Leif Madsen are doing a great job with doing documentation after the fact. But, just to play devils advocate (no, not the pinball game), you point out that API stands for Application Programming Interface. If you are able to write a program which uses the API, you should also be able to read the comments in the code and other code that uses the API, to fairly easily figure out how it works. :) If the documentation was so horrible that nobody could figure it out, there would be no programs that use it - and we both know that to be false. Doug. -- Jason Parker Digium ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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The manager interface would be horrible to code an API for. I don't envy the people that have done it. I've been screen scraping with python and perl for years, but the the output is not standardised. For example a 'sippeers' command does not end with a '--END COMMAND--' while a 'sip show channels' command does. -Original Message- From: Don Fanning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:30 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's The manager interface isn't some mystical beast that can't be overcome. Try the wiki if you're lost. Really people scripting isn't that hard. If you don't like the way people do code, there's nothing stopping you from writing something new (except for lack of skill but that's why people do it for a living). You buy them books, send them to school and all they do is eat the pages. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Garstang Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:29 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Actually, because there's no documentation, I don't have anything that I can use. -Original Message- From: Dovid Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Some of them write it for them selves and out of the goodness of thier heart will put out there for free. They dont need doc's since they wrote it them selves. Be happy that you got it for free. Do you want people to stop releasing code because others complain ? - Original Message - From: John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:36 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's It's plain and simple the answer to this... If you fall into any of these categories: a) Don't understand code to begin with b) Don't want to take the time to understand the code c) Don't have the time to understand the code d) Don't want to pay the the person who made the code to help you e) Can't find anyone else using the code f) Can't find the programer g) Have walked to the ends of the earth and exhausted all your online resources for finding more info out about the code and still no luck. You basically need to go with some commercial company and pay them. Go to the .biz list I for one have used numerous open source free code...and sometimes it was a struggle...but most of the time you can find the programmer's email in the sourcecode...a lot of them are willing to give you some help/info. I haven't seen you mention any particular code by name you are having trouble with either. Maybe if you did...someone here has already figured it out and would be willing to help. I did mention the code. I mentioned the two python API's, and the perl API. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyst http://py-asterisk.berlios.de/py-asterisk.php http://search.cpan.org/~xantus/POE-Component-Client-Asterisk-Manager/Manager.pm ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
-Original Message- From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 2:55 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas Garstang wrote: 1. A documenation of the functions, arguments, classes, objects. http://www.asterisk.org/doxygen/ - Use it. Thanks, but how does this relate to user submitted API's for the manager interface? You have pointed me to the documentation for the Asterisk source. These are not the same thing. If it is not clear, ask a very specific question on the appropriate list. Then perhaps submit a documentation issue once others agree the documentation needs to be clearer/added 2. Some basic examples, because 1. means nothing without examples. Use Google - I see all kinds of examples out there. As I said above, not the same thing. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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One person spending a few hours documenting his code will save hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of man-hours of end users figuring it out. That is a serious return on investment if ever there was one. We were talking about Free open-source code...The end user is saving and getting a return on investment...the programmer isn't get anything but a pat on the back for making documentation. I totally agree that if I were making something that was specifically being released to the public I would document it. If I just made something that I needed...and then decided to release it to the public incase anyone else needed it...I wouldn't waste my time documenting it...because there is no ROI to me for that - Original Message - From: Michael Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas has a point, and a legitimate one at that. Setting aside your personal feelings about Doug and his style of commenting, please consider that 'lack of documentation' is either the first- or second-most-often cited criticism leveled against open-source software and the OSS community. Lack of documentation *IS* a serious challenge with OSS. That is why it is considered poor style to upload some code to SourceForge.net and document it by saying, Look at the source code and figure it out your self. Even a modicum of documentation, be it a brief listing of available methods or a few sample scripts with one or two sentences explaining what they do is quantum leaps above source code only documentation. Am I trying to criticize someone who gifts to the world the fruits of his/her labor? No. I'm simply saying that a little documentation makes such a gift infinitely more useful to the recipients. One person spending a few hours documenting his code will save hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of man-hours of end users figuring it out. That is a serious return on investment if ever there was one. -MC In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? They have not provided a solution to anyones problem except their own, and have no added value to the open source community in any way, except to create 'vapourware' whereby software appears to be available, but is unusable, because no one can work out how to make it work. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's (OSS doc discussion)
I guess I simply have a different viewpoint. If I document, even lightly, something that I give to the general public (or a specific group within that general public), I feel I *WILL* get a ROI. The more people who use my 'gift' the better. Who knows if someone will return to me a snippet of code that makes my script/program even better? The other thing is this: I looked at the Perl module Doug referenced. It was uploaded to the CPAN, which means that it was meant to be shared with the general public. The documentation on this module is skeletal, and that is a generous description. (I also pored over the source and found next to nothing in the way of documentation.) Fortunately the CPAN allows authors to accept annotations - the annotated CPAN - which means that a generous soul who has figured it out can post his knowledge for everyone's benefit. As for the Python modules, I confess that I know nothing about them or Python. Bottom line: Free code w/o documentation should be disclaimed as such. On the other hand, documentation is NEVER a bad thing. Ever. OSS thrives when we share, not just code, but knowledge and ideas. -MC If I just made something that I needed...and then decided to release it to the public incase anyone else needed it...I wouldn't waste my time documenting it...because there is no ROI to me for that ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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That's nothing. As a person with 3 degrees in English, I once spent months writing beautiful documentation for a project I was writing, only to realize I was such a lousy coder I'd never work. Count your blessings... Don wrote: One person spending a few hours documenting his code will save hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of man-hours of end users figuring it out. That is a serious return on investment if ever there was one. We were talking about Free open-source code...The end user is saving and getting a return on investment...the programmer isn't get anything but a pat on the back for making documentation. I totally agree that if I were making something that was specifically being released to the public I would document it. If I just made something that I needed...and then decided to release it to the public incase anyone else needed it...I wouldn't waste my time documenting it...because there is no ROI to me for that - Original Message - From: Michael Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Douglas has a point, and a legitimate one at that. Setting aside your personal feelings about Doug and his style of commenting, please consider that 'lack of documentation' is either the first- or second-most-often cited criticism leveled against open-source software and the OSS community. Lack of documentation *IS* a serious challenge with OSS. That is why it is considered poor style to upload some code to SourceForge.net and document it by saying, Look at the source code and figure it out your self. Even a modicum of documentation, be it a brief listing of available methods or a few sample scripts with one or two sentences explaining what they do is quantum leaps above source code only documentation. Am I trying to criticize someone who gifts to the world the fruits of his/her labor? No. I'm simply saying that a little documentation makes such a gift infinitely more useful to the recipients. One person spending a few hours documenting his code will save hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of man-hours of end users figuring it out. That is a serious return on investment if ever there was one. -MC In my opinion, and it seems perfectly logical to me, if someone writes some code, but provides no documentation, such that no one can use it, then what is the point? They have not provided a solution to anyones problem except their own, and have no added value to the open source community in any way, except to create 'vapourware' whereby software appears to be available, but is unusable, because no one can work out how to make it work. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's (OSS doc discussion)
Michael Collins wrote: I guess I simply have a different viewpoint. If I document, even lightly, something that I give to the general public (or a specific group within that general public), I feel I *WILL* get a ROI. The more people who use my 'gift' the better. Who knows if someone will return to me a snippet of code that makes my script/program even better? The other thing is this: I looked at the Perl module Doug referenced. It was uploaded to the CPAN, which means that it was meant to be shared with the general public. The documentation on this module is skeletal, and that is a generous description. (I also pored over the source and found next to nothing in the way of documentation.) Fortunately the CPAN allows authors to accept annotations - the annotated CPAN - which means that a generous soul who has figured it out can post his knowledge for everyone's benefit. As for the Python modules, I confess that I know nothing about them or Python. Bottom line: Free code w/o documentation should be disclaimed as such. On the other hand, documentation is NEVER a bad thing. Ever. OSS thrives when we share, not just code, but knowledge and ideas. -MC Sir, you are a breath of fresh air. I can only hope your outlook and attitude are contagious in this community and the programming community in general John Novack If I just made something that I needed...and then decided to release it to the public incase anyone else needed it...I wouldn't waste my time documenting it...because there is no ROI to me for that ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
I wrote a set of applications that use the manager interface over three years ago and it was a lot of trial and error. I did add to the documentation on the wiki of what I was able to understand, but for the Asterisk Manager API the actual C code is still the best place for answers on how the functions within it work. The manager API has gotten better in consistency over the last three years, although it doesn't help that the Asterisk core developers seem to think that it's a good idea to add more and more output to a group of events every 6 months or so when it suits them, but there are still inconsistencies and sometimes completely inaccurate information coming back from some API actions, but all of this can be worked around and now I have a very reliable set of applications that run on multiple Asterisk servers and can handle over 80,000 calls, over 400,000 API Actions and millions of API Events per day per server with very good accuracy. MATT--- On 8/16/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The manager interface would be horrible to code an API for. I don't envy the people that have done it. I've been screen scraping with python and perl for years, but the the output is not standardised. For example a 'sippeers' command does not end with a '--END COMMAND--' while a 'sip show channels' command does. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Douglas Garstang wrote: Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? Asterisk-Java of course ;) http://asterisk-java.org/latest for the stable release and http://asterisk-java.org/0.3-SNAPSHOT for the dev snapshot. Includes a short tutorial and javadoc for everything else. The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- reuter network consulting Neusser Str. 110 50760 Koeln Germany Telefon: +49 221 1305699-0 Telefax: +49 221 1305699-90 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message-From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
John Novack wrote: I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. To make this thread even more constructive: What kind of documentation do you expect from a Manager API package? What features do you expect? - A plain wrapper for the Actions, Responses and Events? - An abstracted view on Asterisk's concept like channels, extensions, queues and so on? And last not least: Would a language independant specification help? Something like: There is a channel concept (object) with the properties id, name, caller id, ... and the operations hangup, redirect, ... =Stefan -- reuter network consulting Neusser Str. 110 50760 Koeln Germany Telefon: +49 221 1305699-0 Telefax: +49 221 1305699-90 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Douglas Garstang wrote: Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Have you taken your be nice on the lists pill today? The most likely explanation is that people have written these interfaces primarily for their own use, and when they decided to share with others, only had/made time to minimally document them. Do you understand that? You've got me doubting you can't understand such things, so I wonder why you *say* you don't understand. Unless you enjoy being a troll. B. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
John Novack wrote: I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? I have struggled like that on a great number of occasions, and know perfectly what you are describing. But I don't think it's fair to blame people in the Open Source community for not doing pro-grade documentation. They give away what they write; if it's useful, all good. If not, then buy a commercial product, or move to another OS product that has better documentation. Especially in this case, where the overwhelming likelihood is that the programmers wrote the APIs primarily for their own use, I don't think it's fair to be casting Garstangian aspersions. Those APIs aren't big public projects, but rather labors of love that don't have the kind of support staff to handle a robust public face. MO. B. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
On 8/15/06, John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Yes, I agree is possible just lack of niceness. But may be you dont have idea of the bunch of peyorative comments about IAX2 protocol he made in asterisk-dev list without doing a good proposal. Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. Is an issue, but at least for me, it seems that just complaining, without a good proposal, is just worse. And in fact is not an issue for those who can really understand the code. So, if its an issue for you, pay someone to do it, or doit yourself. The difference between open source, and the others, is that for open source usually you dont pay, for the commercial software, of course i would be expecting documentation. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation That is because THEY DONT CARE, they are putting you one or more steps forward in the *right* direction, is not they responsability to provide documentation, as I said, they provide code AS IS, in the hope that will be usefull to someone with enough skills to understand the code. And also, hopefully, some one else will create the documentation, or even the developer, when he/she has the free time. But always remember, they are giving for FREE their time. So the better we can do is ask kindly for documentation. How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? Then, why dont you make it better? Open Source should be a community effort, not just developers efforts. I agree that the best person to document what the code does is the developer him/her self, but, again, is not responsible for doing so, since no one of us are paying for it. -- moy Su nombre es GNU/Linux, no solamente Linux, mas info en http://www.gnu.org; ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's
Some of them write it for them selves and out of the goodness of thier heart will put out there for free. They dont need doc's since they wrote it them selves. Be happy that you got it for free. Do you want people to stop releasing code because others complain ? - Original Message - From: John Novack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not. It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough information for many others to make effective use of their creation How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures? JMO John Novack Moises Silva wrote: Douglas. Please take this as a constructive comment. I have followed your questions in asterisk-dev and users lists, and you always seem to make non constructive comments about the people giving code/work for Free. And you focus in the negative part, never giving importance to the positive things about it. If you dont like something, then change it yourself, they are not providing a payed service. The source is available AS-IS if you want it, and if you like it, take it; If you dont, just ignore it, try to not make peyorative comments. Regards On 8/15/06, Douglas Garstang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know about you, but if I have to read the source code to work out how it works, I'm going to go and look at someone elses, that may have some BASIC documentation and examples. -Original Message- From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Probably cause it is someone like most of us sitting at home doing it...releasing it for free...so why would we write pages of documentation for it? If it's open source and it's free...Then offer them some money to make documentation for it hehe... - Original Message - From: Douglas Garstang To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language preferences aside? The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available without documenting it. Doug. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
any programs out there that do this ? Dovid - Original Message - From: Stefan Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
On 7/30/06, Dovid Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any programs out there that do this ? Dovid You can use FOP: http://www.asternic.org -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
On 27 Jul 2006, at 22:42, Tielin Xu wrote: There are many ways to do the screen pop, I'd like to do this way: 1. Build the manager interface as an event server, which collect agent connet events. 2. Build a Java applet with the constant connection to the event server, each agent starts the Java applet at first task of each day 3. The event server sends the connect info to the computer which the agent registed, 4. The applet launch (pop up) the web based CRM application on agent computer with the caller's information 5. Agent terminates the CRM application when the call is termianted. Sure, that is pretty close to what we do, except that we don't use an event server. In our case the Java applet is a softphone that speaks IAX directly to asterisk. In our dial plan we have rules such that asterisk dials both the agent's hard phone (If they have one) and their copy of the applet. If you are interested, I'm sure I could arrange for you to have an eval copy of Corraleta (which is what we call the softphone applet). Tim Panton www.mexuar.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
In my situation, we don't want to restrict to use softphone only. So called event server is just an application connect to Asterisk Manager API to collect events, and distribute the call information to right destination. How to launch (pop up) the CRM application depends on what arrangement on agent computer. Tielin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/28/06 3:00 AM On 27 Jul 2006, at 22:42, Tielin Xu wrote: There are many ways to do the screen pop, I'd like to do this way: 1. Build the manager interface as an event server, which collect agent connet events. 2. Build a Java applet with the constant connection to the event server, each agent starts the Java applet at first task of each day 3. The event server sends the connect info to the computer which the agent registed, 4. The applet launch (pop up) the web based CRM application on agent computer with the caller's information 5. Agent terminates the CRM application when the call is termianted. Sure, that is pretty close to what we do, except that we don't use an event server. In our case the Java applet is a softphone that speaks IAX directly to asterisk. In our dial plan we have rules such that asterisk dials both the agent's hard phone (If they have one) and their copy of the applet. If you are interested, I'm sure I could arrange for you to have an eval copy of Corraleta (which is what we call the softphone applet). Tim Panton www.mexuar.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
On 28 Jul 2006, at 17:35, Tielin Xu wrote: In my situation, we don't want to restrict to use softphone only. So called event server is just an application connect to Asterisk Manager API to collect events, and distribute the call information to right destination. How to launch (pop up) the CRM application depends on what arrangement on agent computer. Yes, in the majority of cases, our agents will have hard-phones, so the softphone in their browser is never used to answer their calls, it just generates the screen pop. The facility is there, for folks who are working from home, or who have a high quality headset connected to their PCs. As you say, the best way to generate a screen pop depends on the environment. Tim Panton www.mexuar.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Manager interface
Title: Manager interface This has probably been discussed before but I need to do a screen pop and I'm looking for ways to do it. I am assuming I need to use the manager interface, which is ok cos I'm using that for calling out but I'm not quite what to pick up on. Regards Lee ###This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange.For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
Title: Manager interface If you want to do a screen popup when an agent receives a call, then you should consider looking at these events: AgentCalled AgentConnect AgentComplete p.s: I'm not sure, but you might need to set eventmemberstatus=yes in your queue.conf to receive these events From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Archer Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:48 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] Manager interface This has probably been discussed before but I need to do a screen pop and I'm looking for ways to do it. I am assuming I need to use the manager interface, which is ok cos I'm using that for calling out but I'm not quite what to pick up on. Regards Lee ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
On 27 Jul 2006, at 11:47, Lee Archer wrote: This has probably been discussed before but I need to do a screen pop and I'm looking for ways to do it. I am assuming I need to use the manager interface, which is ok cos I'm using that for calling out but I'm not quite what to pick up on. There a number of ways to do this: 1) run an application on each workstation which speaks the manager protocol and pops a screen as needed. This doesn't scale easily to large numbers, you need to install an application on each workstation and need some sort of manager proxy as asterisk does not like many manager connections. 2) run an IM client on each workstation and have a central server that talks the manager protocol to asterisk, sending messages to IM clients when new calls come in. 3) have each user point their webbrowser at a web server which talks the manager protocol to asterisk and have the webpage poll the server (using AJAX) 4) embed a softphone in your application (or web page) and send calls to it. Configure the softphone to pop the screen when a call comes in. We do 4) . which you chose depends on your needs/skills. Tim. Regards Lee ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Tim Panton www.mexuar.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
There are many ways to do the screen pop, I'd like to do this way: 1. Build the manager interface as an event server, which collect agent connet events. 2. Build a Java applet with the constant connection to the event server, each agent starts the Java applet at first task of each day 3. The event server sends the connect info to the computer which the agent registed, 4. The applet launch (pop up) the web based CRM application on agent computer with the caller's information 5. Agent terminates the CRM application when the call is termianted. Tielin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/27/06 2:16 PM On 27 Jul 2006, at 11:47, Lee Archer wrote: This has probably been discussed before but I need to do a screen pop and I'm looking for ways to do it. I am assuming I need to use the manager interface, which is ok cos I'm using that for calling out but I'm not quite what to pick up on. There a number of ways to do this: 1) run an application on each workstation which speaks the manager protocol and pops a screen as needed. This doesn't scale easily to large numbers, you need to install an application on each workstation and need some sort of manager proxy as asterisk does not like many manager connections. 2) run an IM client on each workstation and have a central server that talks the manager protocol to asterisk, sending messages to IM clients when new calls come in. 3) have each user point their webbrowser at a web server which talks the manager protocol to asterisk and have the webpage poll the server (using AJAX) 4) embed a softphone in your application (or web page) and send calls to it. Configure the softphone to pop the screen when a call comes in. We do 4) . which you chose depends on your needs/skills. Tim. Regards Lee ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Tim Panton www.mexuar.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
You could try out Snap -- www.snapanumber.com, it has the features you need. We also do custom developement, so this may help get your project moving along faster. On 7/27/06, Tielin Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many ways to do the screen pop, I'd like to do this way:1. Build the manager interface as an event server, which collect agentconnet events.2. Build a Java applet with the constant connection to the event server, each agent starts the Java applet at first task of each day3. The event server sends the connect info to the computer which theagent registed,4. The applet launch (pop up) the web based CRM application on agent computer with the caller's information5. Agent terminates the CRM application when the call is termianted.Tielin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/27/06 2:16 PM On 27 Jul 2006, at 11:47, Lee Archer wrote: This has probably been discussed before but I need to do a screen pop and I'm looking for ways to do it.I am assuming I need to use the manager interface, which is ok cos I'm using that for calling out but I'm not quite what to pick up on.There a number of ways to do this:1) run an application on each workstation which speaks themanagerprotocol andpops a screen as needed. This doesn't scale easily to large numbers, you need toinstall an application on each workstation and need some sort ofmanager proxyas asterisk does not like many manager connections.2) run an IM client on each workstation and have a central serverthat talksthe manager protocol to asterisk, sending messages to IM clients whennewcalls come in.3) have each user point their webbrowser at a web server whichtalksthe manager protocol to asteriskand have the webpage poll the server (using AJAX)4) embed a softphone in your application (or web page) and sendcalls to it. Configure the softphone to pop the screen when a callcomes in.We do 4) . which you chose depends on your needs/skills. Tim. Regards Lee ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.f-secure.com/ ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Tim Pantonwww.mexuar.com___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___--Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com --asterisk-users mailing listTo UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Manager interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could try out Snap -- www.snapanumber.com http://www.snapanumber.com, it has the features you need. We also do custom developement, so this may help get your project moving along faster. The problem with Snap and any other solution that directly opens the Manager API to client workstations is that it opens a rather huge security issue. Using the Manager API you are able to completely control the Asterisk server (up to the UNIX level, even root access if Asterisk is running under root). This may be ok for smaller closed groups with fully trusted users, but it certainly is not a solution for the paranoid. A better way to handle this is a server that connects to the Manager API and only passes the relevant information to the clients. =Stefan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] manager interface behavior
I'm working on a manager client that I designed to hold open TCP connection to asterisk while it is running for varoius purposes. After being puzzled by unexpected behavior, I realized that the server closes the connection after it completes an originate action - or at least it does in the case of my test transactions. I solicit opinions: is this a feature or a bug? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface behavior
On 11/23/05, Bill Michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a manager client that I designed to hold open TCP connection to asterisk while it is running for varoius purposes. After being puzzled by unexpected behavior, I realized that the server closes the connection after it completes an originate action - or at least it does in the case of my test transactions. I solicit opinions: is this a feature or a bug? I've never seen that behavior and I've written several clients for the manager api. I guess it's possible that a particular combination of variables in the request could trigger an error that makes asterisk do that. I would try issuing the same originate by telneting in manually and see what happens. That way you can positively rule out your client being the one that's disconnecting. Chris ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation sponsored by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] manager interface, get callerid number??
hallo, does sombody know how to get the callerid from iax.conf ( callerid=name 1234) via the manager interface? Action: IAXpeers gives only the Name/Username but not the call number? any ideas how to do this? thanks, alex ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
Can the Manager interface be used to barge my phone into an existing conversation? db ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
Hello, On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:48:43 -0600, TELUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Manager interface be used to barge my phone into an existing conversation? You need to use manager redirect and meetme. Check out my Flash Operator Panel, it lets you barge on calls. http://www.asternic.org -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nicolás Gudiño Sent: 20 October 2004 18:21 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge Hello, On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:48:43 -0600, TELUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Manager interface be used to barge my phone into an existing conversation? You need to use manager redirect and meetme. Check out my Flash Operator Panel, it lets you barge on calls. http://www.asternic.org -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina Thats interesting, can you explain a bit more how that is done. I would like to implement something simillar without using the Flash operator. Umar ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nicolás Gudiño Sent: 20 October 2004 18:21 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge Hello, On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:48:43 -0600, TELUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Manager interface be used to barge my phone into an existing conversation? You need to use manager redirect and meetme. Check out my Flash Operator Panel, it lets you barge on calls. http://www.asternic.org -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina Thats interesting, can you explain a bit more how that is done. I would like to implement something simillar without using the Flash operator. Umar Hey, Umar It seems a bit cheeky asking the guy who wrote Flash Operator Panel how to get something done so you don't have to use it. I'm sure Nicolas will reply but it might be helpful to him to learn from you why FOP doesn't work for you. If its a feature thing, maybe it a feature he can add and we all win. Bill Seddon ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Seddon Sent: 20 October 2004 22:06 To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nicolás Gudiño Sent: 20 October 2004 18:21 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge Hello, On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:48:43 -0600, TELUX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Manager interface be used to barge my phone into an existing conversation? You need to use manager redirect and meetme. Check out my Flash Operator Panel, it lets you barge on calls. http://www.asternic.org -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina Thats interesting, can you explain a bit more how that is done. I would like to implement something simillar without using the Flash operator. Umar Hey, Umar It seems a bit cheeky asking the guy who wrote Flash Operator Panel how to get something done so you don't have to use it. I'm sure Nicolas will reply but it might be helpful to him to learn from you why FOP doesn't work for you. If its a feature thing, maybe it a feature he can add and we all win. Bill Seddon Bill, My reason is very simple :-).. I want users to be able to do something simillar using there handsets. The reason I asked is that I am assuming that Nicholas is transferring the calls to a meetme conference, using the management api and then landing the third person in the same conference in listen only mode. The fop is gpl, so I could actually look at the code to work out exactly how it implements the barge. I am not a perl programmer (I think that's what FOP is mostly done in) so thought I ask a straight question. Hope this makes sense and Nicholas can share his knowledge (although he already has) Umar ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface to barge
Hi Umar, [super big snip] I want users to be able to do something simillar using there handsets. The reason I asked is that I am assuming that Nicholas is transferring the calls to a meetme conference, using the management api and then landing the third person in the same conference in listen only mode. The fop is gpl, so I could actually look at the code to work out exactly how it implements the barge. I am not a perl programmer (I think that's what FOP is mostly done in) so thought I ask a straight question. FOP works like this: In the manager you have to use the Redirect command: Action: Redirect Channel: ExtraChannel: Exten: MEETME_ROOM_EXTENSION Context: MEETME_ROOM_CONTEXT Priority: 1 The two parties will land in a meetme room. Its instant, and its hard to notice that you have been redirected to a meetme. Then originate from the third channel a call to the same meetme room. Action: Originate Channel: Exten: MEETME_ROOM_EXTENSION Context: MEETME_ROOM_CONTEXT Priority: 1 You need to setup your extensions.conf accordingly... Its kind of a hack but it works. Now, how can you make it from a handset or directlly from the dialplan, I dont know. Maybe you have to look at those java wrappers that mix agi with manager. Best regards, -- Nicolás Gudiño Buenos Aires - Argentina ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Manager Interface Action: Originate change d
Try Capitalizing Your Actions And The Parameters For Them: Action: Login Login: admin Secret: mypass Action: Originate Exten: 200 Context: stations Channel: SIP/agent07 Priority: 1 Callerid: James Bond Calling That should work. We use manager actions extensively in our applications and the managerAPI is sometimes finicky for capitalisation. and a capitalised first letter of the action and parameters is how it's written in the code. Let me know if that helps MATT--- -Original Message- From: Tony Wasson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Manager Interface Action: Originate changed I have recently noticed that the Action: Originate options in asterisk 1.0 CVS has changed sometime between 2/23 and 3/18. I have a 2/23/04 CVS installation (cvs checkout -r v1-0_stable asterisk ) that allows me to make calls like this using the Manager Interface on port 5038. action: login login: admin secret: mypass action: originate exten: 200 context: stations channel: SIP/agent007 I have a 3/18/04 CVS installation that does NOT work the same way. Entering the same information in spits out Response: Error Message: Originate with 'Exten' requires 'Context' and 'Priority' So I've tried adding a priority of 1, like this: action: originate exten: 200 context: stations channel: SIP/agent007 priority: 1 I simply get: Response: Error Message: Originate failed Obviously, something in the Manager code has changed. With the newer code I am unable to originate calls. Can anyone shed additional light on how to originate calls under the new 1.0 style Manager Interface? Tony Wasson ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Manager Interface Action: Originate changed
Tony Wasson wrote: I have recently noticed that the Action: Originate options in asterisk 1.0 CVS has changed sometime between 2/23 and 3/18. To post a follow up for posterity, 2 tips were suggested when using the Manager Interface: 1) Make sure to supply Context AND Priority when using an Exten. NOTE: It used to work without a Priority, but not anymore. 2) While not a hard and fast rule, capitalization may help. Action: Originate Exten: 200 Context: stations Channel: SIP/agent007 Priority: 1 Here's a brief troubleshooting checklist if Manager Actions like Originate are failing: 1) Make sure Asterisk is starting with debug mode by starting it with a few -vvv's after it. I'm using this in my /etc/inittab ax:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/asterisk -vvvcf You can also just stop asterisk (asterisk -rx stop now), and relaunch it like this: # asterisk -vvvcf 2) While making the call, monitor the console for any errors using # asterisk -r 3) Ensure any dependant devices are actually connected and registered... sip show peers iax2 show peers While getting the rather unhelpful message of: Response: Error Message: Originate failed I got this messages on my console thanks to debugs: Mar 31 10:03:24 NOTICE[21526]: app_dial.c:536 dial_exec: Unable to create channel of type 'SIP' == Everyone is busy at this time After some investigation of sip show peers I diagnosed my problem as an SIP device (Audiocodes MP-108) that needed to be rebooted. Hope this helps you out! Tony Wasson ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Manager Interface Action: Originate changed
I have recently noticed that the Action: Originate options in asterisk 1.0 CVS has changed sometime between 2/23 and 3/18. I have a 2/23/04 CVS installation (cvs checkout -r v1-0_stable asterisk ) that allows me to make calls like this using the Manager Interface on port 5038. action: login login: admin secret: mypass action: originate exten: 200 context: stations channel: SIP/agent007 I have a 3/18/04 CVS installation that does NOT work the same way. Entering the same information in spits out Response: Error Message: Originate with 'Exten' requires 'Context' and 'Priority' So I've tried adding a priority of 1, like this: action: originate exten: 200 context: stations channel: SIP/agent007 priority: 1 I simply get: Response: Error Message: Originate failed Obviously, something in the Manager code has changed. With the newer code I am unable to originate calls. Can anyone shed additional light on how to originate calls under the new 1.0 style Manager Interface? Tony Wasson ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] Manager Interface Needs a protocol
I was using the Asterisk::Manager perl module and had some troube with it
so I decided to make my own. I have a pretty good prototype after a few hours
(My main point about the protocol is at the bottom of this example.)
http://asterisk.650dialup.comis where you can download it.
my $man = init Asterisk::AstMan ({ -user = "asterisk", -secret = "1234", -host = "localhost" });
This auths you and logs you in
you can do usual stuff like
print $man-command("show agents");print $man-command("show queues");print $man-command("show channels");
The cool part is you can register a code ref to a certian Event
and then listen on the socket all day and the code registered to that certian event
will fire.
$newext = sub {# $ref will be a hash ref of all the parameters in the event
my $ref = shift; print "New Extension Event Detected\n\n";};
$man-reg_event("Newexten",$newext);
$man-listen(); # a man who listens, won't your wife be jealous ;)
Now the program will just sit there and listen to all the event data
and calls the function hooked into the Nexexten event whenever it sees it
the special event ALL can be used tomatch every undefined event
Now my only problem is thatwhile making this module I started wishing
that is was just a tiny bit more like maybe http or imap
I dont wanna hack up the code and make my stuff propitary so I was wondering if anyone agrees It is close to being a cut and dry protocol it would be nice to have it uniform.
1 issueI notice is that since you are getting a nonstop flow of events sometimes
when you send an Action you have to intercept some of those events
and I thought it may be nice to either format the req so you know which reply
is for you or to formally request the events to flow rather than have them come by default.
I think you can reduce the user's rightst to stop the events but what i was
looking for was a common structure.
My proposed example uses Content-Length so you know how much to read
off the socket but I guessusing just lf in the data and crlfcrlf as EOR works ok too for variable lengths
EXAMPLES...
You send your own homeade ReplyID so you recognize your answer.
Action: Queues
ReplyID: 1234
so then it replies
ReplyID: 1234
Content-Desc: Action
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Length: 4031
tech_support has 0 calls (max unlimited) in 'ringall' strategy Members: Agent/118 with penalty 1 has taken no calls yet
.. etc so on
or
Action: Command
ReplyID: 888
Command: show channels
..
To start pouring on the events
Action: EventFlow
and you get nonstop flow of ..
ReplyID: *
Content-Desc: Event
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Length: 111
Event: NewchannelChannel: Agent/112State: UpCallerid: *8015711666*1608*Uniqueid: 1066231464.36432kick ASS
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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Manager interface, again
If in your voicemail.conf you have * configured to the send message in an email you will NOT get a stutter dialtone or any MWI light you may have. I've just removed my email address from voicemail.conf.. much better like that... I can't see how that would make any difference. Can you find me on IRC so I can ssh in and try to see what's going on? Thanks! HTHSITF What's that mean? Mark ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Manager interface, again
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 12:36, Andy Powell wrote: Ok, like a I'll answer my own message: If in your voicemail.conf you have * configured to the send message in an email you will NOT get a stutter dialtone or any MWI light you may have. I've just removed my email address from voicemail.conf.. much better like that... This is odd because I email all my users voicemail out and the ones that don't clear the voicemail on the phone still get stutter tones. I had to inform them of what to do, and then mass delete their voicemail to get the stutter tone to stop. One user had almost 50 messages waiting. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Manager interface, again
This is odd because I email all my users voicemail out and the ones that don't clear the voicemail on the phone still get stutter tones. I had to inform them of what to do, and then mass delete their voicemail to get the stutter tone to stop. One user had almost 50 messages waiting. I had this initially, but it was due to a 'zombie' message (as pointed out to me by citats... an easy way to double check is to connect to the manager interface and look at the status of a mailbox.Iif it reports something like mailbox: 1000 Response: Success Message: Mailbox Status Mailbox: 1000 Waiting: 1 --- that is NOT a msg count btw then the user would get a stutter tone.. if Waiting: 0 then they wont... I'd be interested to hear if this is/isn;t the case on your setup HTH Andy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Manager interface, again
On 20/06/2003 at 14:45 Wade Weppler wrote: Same here. E-mail and MWI/Stutter tone work fine together. if that attaching the file or just sending a messages without a file attached..? Andy ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Manager interface, again
On Fri, 2003-06-20 at 15:20, Andy Powell wrote: On 20/06/2003 at 14:45 Wade Weppler wrote: Same here. E-mail and MWI/Stutter tone work fine together. if that attaching the file or just sending a messages without a file attached..? We attach the voicemail, thats how 2 of my users eneded up with 50 or so messages waiting. They didn't feel the need to listen to or delete the messages via the phone when they had listened to them via the email interface. -- Steven Critchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[Asterisk-Users] manager interface change request
hi all I'm trying to use the manager interface to do some nagios (http://nagios.org/) integration, and I find some parts of it not really optimal. What I'd like to change, is to make \r\n\r\n an actual terminator, something it isn't today, AFACS. Below is the Status output - it shows Response, Message, \r\n, Status post, \r\n, Status post etc etc. Without a parsable terminator, I need to use some select/poll interfaces, and I just don't like that :P May I suggest changing the \r\n between status (and other) output sections to something like '---\r\n'? regards roy action: status Response: Success Message: Channel status will follow Event: Status Channel: CAPI[contr2/22545070] CallerID: 22545070 State: Up Link: MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Event: Status Channel: MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] CallerID: 22545070 State: Up Context: default Extension: 98013356 Priority: 1 Link: CAPI[contr2/22545070] -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk, Datavaktmester ProntoTV AS - http://www.pronto.tv/ Tel: +47 9801 3356 Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working when you open Windows. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface change request
I concur! It would also help in parsing out the occasional junk I get on the socket. (I'm currently writing a wxwindows version of gastman) Also... I'm still not sure wheter I can be absolutely sure that the Responses will always be in the correct order... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Sent: vrijdag 30 mei 2003 10:29 To: Asterisk mailing list Subject: [Asterisk-Users] manager interface change request hi all I'm trying to use the manager interface to do some nagios (http://nagios.org/) integration, and I find some parts of it not really optimal. What I'd like to change, is to make \r\n\r\n an actual terminator, something it isn't today, AFACS. Below is the Status output - it shows Response, Message, \r\n, Status post, \r\n, Status post etc etc. Without a parsable terminator, I need to use some select/poll interfaces, and I just don't like that :P May I suggest changing the \r\n between status (and other) output sections to something like '---\r\n'? regards roy action: status Response: Success Message: Channel status will follow Event: Status Channel: CAPI[contr2/22545070] CallerID: 22545070 State: Up Link: MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Event: Status Channel: MGCP/aaln/[EMAIL PROTECTED] CallerID: 22545070 State: Up Context: default Extension: 98013356 Priority: 1 Link: CAPI[contr2/22545070] -- Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk, Datavaktmester ProntoTV AS - http://www.pronto.tv/ Tel: +47 9801 3356 Computers are like air conditioners. They stop working when you open Windows. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
