Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-05 Thread Craig Guy
I had a look at mine and it has only relays for pins 1,2,4,5 - the other relay 
positions are on the PCB are not populated.  Maybe it has changed recently.

Craig

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Igor Hernandez
Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 7:07 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

Hy Craig,

Can you elaborate on that? In our setup we have it doing just that and
it works without a glitch.

Regards,

Igor H.

Craig Guy wrote:
 The FSV-4PFS as shipped will not switch Ethernet – it switches pins 1,2,4,5.
 
  
 
 Craig
 
  
 
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *FailSafe
 Inc.
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:27 PM
 *To:* asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
 *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter
 
  
 
 Although the original topic of this thread has changed quite a bit, I
 wanted to point out that the SPF Product that you are discussing is
 quite similar to our product, the FSV-4PFS.  Ours is a 4 port device
 which can switch 4 T1/E1/J1/Ethernet or as many as 16 analog lines from
 a primary to a backup server.  It uses similar logic (power outage =
 failover server, loss of hearbeat = failover server) and also has a
 physical mechanical switch on the front of it which allows manual
 override switching to main or secondary server.
 
  
 
 We also have addressed the 'clean startup' that was discussed a few
 posts back.  The switch will start and remain in 'failover mode' until
 such time as it receives a hearbeat or the physical switch is moved to
 the main' position.  A failed main server can be restarted/repowered
 without bothering the backup server operation one bit - until you are
 ready to switch back to the main server.
 
  
 
 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
 
  
 
 
 -- 
 FailSafeVOIP, Inc.
 Safe is always better than failed
 http://www.failsafevoip.com
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 
 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the
 
 failover switch ist still working or not.
 
  
 
 You've got that right my friend! :-)
 
  
 
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 
 http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of
 
 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find
 
 - quotes the card for US$ 700.
 
  
 
 Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list
 
 outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example
 
 the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised
 for $200!
 
  
 
 http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice
 
  
 
 I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street
 price will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd
 be pretty cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'
 
 about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide*
 against it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose
 at either of these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen
 advertised.
 
  
 
 We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's
 brand new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time.
 
  
 
 -Karl
 
 
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-04 Thread Craig Guy
The FSV-4PFS as shipped will not switch Ethernet - it switches pins 1,2,4,5.

 

Craig

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FailSafe Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:27 PM
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

 

Although the original topic of this thread has changed quite a bit, I wanted
to point out that the SPF Product that you are discussing is quite similar
to our product, the FSV-4PFS.  Ours is a 4 port device which can switch 4
T1/E1/J1/Ethernet or as many as 16 analog lines from a primary to a backup
server.  It uses similar logic (power outage = failover server, loss of
hearbeat = failover server) and also has a physical mechanical switch on the
front of it which allows manual override switching to main or secondary
server.

 

We also have addressed the 'clean startup' that was discussed a few posts
back.  The switch will start and remain in 'failover mode' until such time
as it receives a hearbeat or the physical switch is moved to the main'
position.  A failed main server can be restarted/repowered without bothering
the backup server operation one bit - until you are ready to switch back to
the main server.

 

http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_info
http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
products_id=1

 


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Safe is always better than failed
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the 

 failover switch ist still working or not.

 

You've got that right my friend! :-)

 

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

  http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant
http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of 

 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find

 - quotes the card for US$ 700.

 

Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list

outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example

the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised for
$200!

 

 http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice
http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice

 

I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street price
will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd be pretty
cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'

about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide* against
it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose at either of
these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen advertised.

 

We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's brand
new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time.

 

-Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-04 Thread Igor Hernandez
Hy Craig,

Can you elaborate on that? In our setup we have it doing just that and
it works without a glitch.

Regards,

Igor H.

Craig Guy wrote:
 The FSV-4PFS as shipped will not switch Ethernet – it switches pins 1,2,4,5.
 
  
 
 Craig
 
  
 
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *FailSafe
 Inc.
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:27 PM
 *To:* asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
 *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter
 
  
 
 Although the original topic of this thread has changed quite a bit, I
 wanted to point out that the SPF Product that you are discussing is
 quite similar to our product, the FSV-4PFS.  Ours is a 4 port device
 which can switch 4 T1/E1/J1/Ethernet or as many as 16 analog lines from
 a primary to a backup server.  It uses similar logic (power outage =
 failover server, loss of hearbeat = failover server) and also has a
 physical mechanical switch on the front of it which allows manual
 override switching to main or secondary server.
 
  
 
 We also have addressed the 'clean startup' that was discussed a few
 posts back.  The switch will start and remain in 'failover mode' until
 such time as it receives a hearbeat or the physical switch is moved to
 the main' position.  A failed main server can be restarted/repowered
 without bothering the backup server operation one bit - until you are
 ready to switch back to the main server.
 
  
 
 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
 
  
 
 
 -- 
 FailSafeVOIP, Inc.
 Safe is always better than failed
 http://www.failsafevoip.com
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 
 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the
 
 failover switch ist still working or not.
 
  
 
 You've got that right my friend! :-)
 
  
 
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 
 http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of
 
 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find
 
 - quotes the card for US$ 700.
 
  
 
 Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list
 
 outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example
 
 the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised
 for $200!
 
  
 
 http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice
 
  
 
 I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street
 price will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd
 be pretty cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'
 
 about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide*
 against it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose
 at either of these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen
 advertised.
 
  
 
 We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's
 brand new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time.
 
  
 
 -Karl
 
 
 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-04 Thread FailSafe Inc.
Everyone Interested,

The FSV-4PFS Order page has options for which pins you would like switched.

The default choice is T1/E1/POTS Pins (Pins 1,2,4,5)

Other possible choices are:
Ethernet (Pins 1,2,3,6)
and
All 8 Pins


Igor - you and I spoke before you ordered your devices.  I knew that you
intended to switch ethernet, so I of course picked that choice for you.

Craig - If you ordered the Ethernet switch and we mistakenly sent you a
T1/E1/Pots switch, please let me know via e-mail.  We'll get it exchanged
out right away.  Looking at your original order on our website, I don't see
the Ethernet option selected.  Either way, if you need a different
configuration, we will be happy to get it taken care of for you.

Bill
FailSafeVOIP, Inc.
Safe is always better than failed
http://www.failsafevoip.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:07:28 -0400
 From: Igor Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
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 Hy Craig,

 Can you elaborate on that? In our setup we have it doing just that and
 it works without a glitch.

 Regards,

 Igor H.

 Craig Guy wrote:
 The FSV-4PFS as shipped will not switch Ethernet ? it switches pins
 1,2,4,5.



 Craig



 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *FailSafe
 Inc.
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 September 2008 11:27 PM
 *To:* asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
 *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter



 Although the original topic of this thread has changed quite a bit, I
 wanted to point out that the SPF Product that you are discussing is
 quite similar to our product, the FSV-4PFS.  Ours is a 4 port device
 which can switch 4 T1/E1/J1/Ethernet or as many as 16 analog lines from
 a primary to a backup server.  It uses similar logic (power outage =
 failover server, loss of hearbeat = failover server) and also has a
 physical mechanical switch on the front of it which allows manual
 override switching to main or secondary server.



 We also have addressed the 'clean startup' that was discussed a few
 posts back.  The switch will start and remain in 'failover mode' until
 such time as it receives a hearbeat or the physical switch is moved to
 the main' position.  A failed main server can be restarted/repowered
 without bothering the backup server operation one bit - until you are
 ready to switch back to the main server.



 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1
 http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1




 --
 FailSafeVOIP, Inc.
 Safe is always better than failed
 http://www.failsafevoip.com
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the

 failover switch ist still working or not.



 You've got that right my friend! :-)



 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

 http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of

 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find

 - quotes the card for US$ 700.



 Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list

 outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example

 the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised
 for $200!



 http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice



 I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street
 price will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd
 be pretty cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'

 about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide*
 against it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose
 at either of these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen
 advertised.



 We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's
 brand new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time.



 -Karl


 

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-03 Thread Karl Fife

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:53:11 Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 and power it ...
 
 Maybe, an external USB port could be used to power the board but the
 enclosure question remains ...
 

You're right.  At this time there's no Rhino enclosure for the Single
Port Failover card, but it definitely designed to be powered by the
External USB port if you mount it externally.  If I ever need to mount
it externally, I'll get a $5 project box at radio shack if there's not
better available by then.  

...in response to:
 2008/9/1 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   So this card has interesting price position, the main drawback being,
   IMHO,
   it's eating a slot, which can be a rare resource in rackable servers.
  
  You raise a very important point.  This device uses a BRACKET, but not a
  motherboard SLOT.
  In other words, it hangs free in one of the chassis slots that do not
  have a corresponding slot on the motherboard.
  If you do not have a bracket slot, you could mount it externally, but
  you'd have to engineer a way to hold it.
 
 


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-03 Thread Igor Hernandez
We recently got a fsv-4fps failover switch from failsafevoip and it
seems to be pretty solid and affordable for the ability to switch 4
trunks. It switches on power failure or death of asterisk.

The only drawback being that its an external enclosure, if you're short
of space on the rack it might be hard finding a spot for it.




Karl Fife wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:53:11 Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 and power it ...

 Maybe, an external USB port could be used to power the board but the
 enclosure question remains ...

 
 You're right.  At this time there's no Rhino enclosure for the Single
 Port Failover card, but it definitely designed to be powered by the
 External USB port if you mount it externally.  If I ever need to mount
 it externally, I'll get a $5 project box at radio shack if there's not
 better available by then.  
 
 ...in response to:
 2008/9/1 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So this card has interesting price position, the main drawback being,
 IMHO,
 it's eating a slot, which can be a rare resource in rackable servers.

 You raise a very important point.  This device uses a BRACKET, but not a
 motherboard SLOT.
 In other words, it hangs free in one of the chassis slots that do not
 have a corresponding slot on the motherboard.
 If you do not have a bracket slot, you could mount it externally, but
 you'd have to engineer a way to hold it.

 
 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-02 Thread FailSafe Inc.
Although the original topic of this thread has changed quite a bit, I wanted
to point out that the SPF Product that you are discussing is quite similar
to our product, the FSV-4PFS.  Ours is a 4 port device which can switch 4
T1/E1/J1/Ethernet or as many as 16 analog lines from a primary to a backup
server.  It uses similar logic (power outage = failover server, loss of
hearbeat = failover server) and also has a physical mechanical switch on the
front of it which allows manual override switching to main or secondary
server.

We also have addressed the 'clean startup' that was discussed a few posts
back.  The switch will start and remain in 'failover mode' until such time
as it receives a hearbeat or the physical switch is moved to the main'
position.  A failed main server can be restarted/repowered without bothering
the backup server operation one bit - until you are ready to switch back to
the main server.

http://www.failsafevoip.com/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1


-- 
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Safe is always better than failed
http://www.failsafevoip.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the

 failover switch ist still working or not.



You've got that right my friend! :-)



On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:

 http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of

 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find

 - quotes the card for US$ 700.



Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list

outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example

the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised for
$200!



http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice



I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street price
will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd be pretty
cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'

about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide* against
it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose at either of
these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen advertised.



We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's brand
new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time.



-Karl
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-02 Thread Olivier
2008/9/1 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  So this card has interesting price position, the main drawback being,
  IMHO,
  it's eating a slot, which can be a rare resource in rackable servers.
 
 You raise a very important point.  This device uses a BRACKET, but not a
 motherboard SLOT.
 In other words, it hangs free in one of the chassis slots that do not
 have a corresponding slot on the motherboard.
 If you do not have a bracket slot, you could mount it externally, but
 you'd have to engineer a way to hold it.


and power it ...

Maybe, an external USB port could be used to power the board but the
enclosure question remains ...




 FYI, As an analog failover device it can fail over as many as 4 analog
 lines.  I think it's a really attractive value proposition.

 -Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Christian Victor
2008/8/31 Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 What happens if the PC supporting this card is powered off ?


It is powered over USB from the main (internal USB) and backup (external
USB) server. If one of the power fails it will switch to the other server.
If both servers power fail you have a problem anyway. ;-)

Do you have an idea of its price ?


Approx. US$ 700

Regards
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
  Look at this brand new failover device:
 
  http://www.rhinoequipment.com/1portfail.html
 
  http://www.rhinoequipment.com/Single%20Port%20Failover%20Datasheet%201-22-2008.pdf
 
 
 Interesting !
 I didn't know this one.
 What happens if the PC supporting this card is powered off ?
 Do you have an idea of its price ?

This is an important point:  Not only does the loss of PC power NOT
present a problem, is the main DESIGN element.  If the PC/Server powers
off, the relays naturally de-energize, which by design, PASSES the
service to the failover port (to the port connected to your spare server
or analog devices).  

While by itself that would be a pretty good design, there would be a
vulnerability, because of course it's possible to have Asterisk crash
while the server is still happily powered on.  Therefore the Rhino
failover device incorporates another design element:  If you choose, you
can enable its watchdog system.  If asterisk stops responding to a
periodic message, It knows that Asterisk is down, and fails over your
services to the other server or analog devices EVEN IF the power is
still on at the main server!

-Karl



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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Michael Graves
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:20:32 -0500, Karl Fife wrote:

  Look at this brand new failover device:
 
  http://www.rhinoequipment.com/1portfail.html
 
  http://www.rhinoequipment.com/Single%20Port%20Failover%20Datasheet%201-22-2008.pdf
 
 
 Interesting !
 I didn't know this one.
 What happens if the PC supporting this card is powered off ?
 Do you have an idea of its price ?

This is an important point:  Not only does the loss of PC power NOT
present a problem, is the main DESIGN element.  If the PC/Server powers
off, the relays naturally de-energize, which by design, PASSES the
service to the failover port (to the port connected to your spare server
or analog devices).  

While by itself that would be a pretty good design, there would be a
vulnerability, because of course it's possible to have Asterisk crash
while the server is still happily powered on.  Therefore the Rhino
failover device incorporates another design element:  If you choose, you
can enable its watchdog system.  If asterisk stops responding to a
periodic message, It knows that Asterisk is down, and fails over your
services to the other server or analog devices EVEN IF the power is
still on at the main server!

-Karl

In the broadcast business we call this two-stage fault tolerant
bypass. 

Hardware relays trip in the event of loss of power. A software based
watchdog trips if the application under test becomes unresponsive.

Often the watchdog doesn't trip the relays as being mechanical that
creates a switching glitch. They trip a logic switch so that the signal
through the device stays clean into bypass.

It's also worth testing to see how the card boots up. Is it clean on
restart? That is, can you reset it without interrupting your traffic?

Michael

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
 Christian Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 It is powered over USB from the main (internal USB) and backup (external
 USB) server. If one of the power fails it will switch to the other
 server.
 If both servers power fail you have a problem anyway. ;-)

This is incorrect.  According to Jim Rhodes at Rhino, there is no NEED
for 'backup' power from another server via USB:  As I described in the
last post: 

Not only does the loss of PC power NOT present a problem, is the main
DESIGN element.  If the PC/Server powers off, the relays naturally
de-energize, which by design, PASSES the service [mechanically, as tne
natural result of no power] to the failover port (to the port connected
to your spare server or analog devices)

 Christian Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  Do you have an idea of its price ?
 
 Approx. US$ 700
 

This is incorrect.  Again, according to Jim Rhodes, the FULL
nobody-ever-actually-pays-this-much LIST price is US $350.  In my
estimation, the street price will be between US $220 and $299 depending
on your reseller's markup.  I don't know if Rhino has M.A.P. rules.

Karl Fife said: 
 Therefore the Rhino failover device incorporates 
 another design element:  If you choose, you can 
 enable its watchdog system.  If asterisk stops 
 responding to a periodic message, It knows that
 Asterisk is down, and fails over your services 
 to the other server or analog devices EVEN IF 
 the power is still on at the main server!

I would have to ask the guys at Rhino for confirmation on this point
but: My current understanding of the EXTERNAL usb connection is so that
in the event that the secondary server NEEDS TO TAKE OVER the service
for any reason, it can pre-empt the main server without the main server
failing.  Essentially the secondary server can 'ask' for it. 

-Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
 Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Often the watchdog doesn't trip the relays as being mechanical that
 creates a switching glitch. They trip a logic switch so that the signal
 through the device stays clean into bypass.
 
 It's also worth testing to see how the card boots up. Is it clean on
 restart? That is, can you reset it without interrupting your traffic?
 

Good distinction.  What you're describing sounds more like the RedFone
device which is actively parsing, processing, and routing the digital
media stream of a T1/E1, using a digital switching system not a
mechanical one.  I imagine that in your field of broadcasting, there
would be little tolerance for artificats introduced a mechanical switch.

http://www.red-fone.com/Products/fonebridge2/

The Rhino is just a passive (normally closed) mechanical switch with an
active monitoring system.  The advantage is that it can be used to do
failover on switch Ethernet, Analog or ISDN.  You couldn't get that kind
of flexibility otherwise.  

Thanks!
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Olivier
2008/9/1 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]




  Christian Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
   Do you have an idea of its price ?
 
  Approx. US$ 700
 

 This is incorrect.  Again, according to Jim Rhodes, the FULL
 nobody-ever-actually-pays-this-much LIST price is US $350.  In my
 estimation, the street price will be between US $220 and $299 depending
 on your reseller's markup.  I don't know if Rhino has M.A.P. rules.


It's nice to know as, for $800 or $900, I think you can get a 4 digital
ports standalone Fail-over-switch.
So this card has interesting price position, the main drawback being, IMHO,
it's eating a slot, which can be a rare resource in rackable servers.

Anyway, it's worth knowing this exist.
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
 So this card has interesting price position, the main drawback being,
 IMHO,
 it's eating a slot, which can be a rare resource in rackable servers.
 
You raise a very important point.  This device uses a BRACKET, but not a
motherboard SLOT.  
In other words, it hangs free in one of the chassis slots that do not
have a corresponding slot on the motherboard.
If you do not have a bracket slot, you could mount it externally, but
you'd have to engineer a way to hold it.  

FYI, As an analog failover device it can fail over as many as 4 analog
lines.  I think it's a really attractive value proposition.

-Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:18:17 -0500, Karl Fife

 I would have to ask the guys at Rhino for confirmation on this point
 but: My current understanding of the EXTERNAL usb connection is so that
 in the event that the secondary server NEEDS TO TAKE OVER the service
 for any reason, it can pre-empt the main server without the main server
 failing.  Essentially the secondary server can 'ask' for it. 
 

I'm glad I checked with Rhino on this point. My original understanding
was incorrect.  Bryce Chidester at Rhino said The external port is to
be used *instead* of the internal header in the event there is no
internal header, or if you just want to mount the [failover
card]externally.  

I also learned that the name of this device is the Single Port
T1/E1/J1, Ethernet and Analog Failover Card sometimes referred to as
the SPF (single port failover) card.  I suppose it's so named because
even though it will failover 4 analog circuits, it will only failover 1
Ethernet or T1/E1/J1 circuit.  

-Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Christian Victor
2008/9/1 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  It is powered over USB from the main (internal USB) and backup (external
  USB) server. If one of the power fails it will switch to the other
  server.
  If both servers power fail you have a problem anyway. ;-)

 This is incorrect.  According to Jim Rhodes at Rhino, there is no NEED
 for 'backup' power from another server via USB:


Did I write you NEED a second power supply? I was just refering to the fact
that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the
failover switch ist still working or not.


   Do you have an idea of its price ?
 
  Approx. US$ 700
 

 This is incorrect.  Again, according to Jim Rhodes, the FULL
 nobody-ever-actually-pays-this-much LIST price is US $350.  In my
 estimation, the street price will be between US $220 and $299 depending

on your reseller's markup.  I don't know if Rhino has M.A.P. rules.


I hope you are right. Maybe this guy should share his information with the
world. According to
http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of
Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find
- quotes the card for US$ 700.

Christian
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-09-01 Thread Karl Fife
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 that when both servers power fail you have a problem no matter if the
 failover switch ist still working or not.

You've got that right my friend! :-)

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:22:45 +0200, Christian Victor said:
 http://store.variantdistribution.com/category-s/49.htmVariant - one of
 Rhinos distributors and the only source I was able to find
 - quotes the card for US$ 700.

Strange.  I've seen this happen before where retailers will list
outrageously high prices for soon-to-be-released products.   For example
the SNOM KlarVoice handset.  MSRP is $32, but I've seen it advertised
for $200! 

http://www.8774e4voip.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=klarvoice

I can say with confidence that the LIST price is US $350.  The street
price will be considerably lower.  Frankly, if I were Snom or Rhino I'd
be pretty cheezed off about this phenomenon.  After hearing the 'buzz'
about a new product such as this, I'd hate for customers to *decide*
against it mistkenly believing this incorrect price.  I'd turn my nose
at either of these two products for the incorrect prices I've seen
advertised.  

We're pretty stoked to have stumbled onto this product because it's
brand new, and we've been looking for something like it for some time. 

-Karl


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-31 Thread Olivier
2008/8/30 Karl Fife [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Have you looked at PRI-BRI Fail-over-Switches ?
 
 
   We've done the asterisk pass-through route, but if the asterisk box is
 down
   for whatever reason both systems are down.
  

 Look at this brand new failover device:

 http://www.rhinoequipment.com/1portfail.html

 http://www.rhinoequipment.com/Single%20Port%20Failover%20Datasheet%201-22-2008.pdf


Interesting !
I didn't know this one.
What happens if the PC supporting this card is powered off ?
Do you have an idea of its price ?

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-30 Thread Olivier
Have you looked at PRI-BRI Fail-over-Switches ?


2008/8/27 Jeremy Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 We've done the asterisk passthrough route, but if the asterisk box is down
 for whatever reason both systems are down.

 Splitter wasn't the right word, but yes I see your point, I'll look into
 the Adtran.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:52 AM
 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

 Jeremy Mann wrote:

  I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card in
  a server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from both a
  hardware and software perspective.

 Anything you use is going to (essentially) be a 3-port ISDN PRI capable
 switch, because that is the only way to accomplish what you need. There
 really isn't any way to 'split' a PRI, unlike a T1 using CAS signaling
 which can be 'split' using a drop-and-insert multiplexer.

 If you don't want to use a small PC with a 3-port T1 card in it, you can
 use something like an Adtran Atlas to do the job.

 Alternatively, just use a 2-port T1 card in the Asterisk server, and run
 the PRI *through* the Asterisk server on the way to the other PBX.
 That's the most common way to do what you want to do.

 --
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 Director of Software Technologies
 Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM)


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-30 Thread Karl Fife
 Have you looked at PRI-BRI Fail-over-Switches ?
 
 
  We've done the asterisk pass-through route, but if the asterisk box is down
  for whatever reason both systems are down.
 

Look at this brand new failover device: 

http://www.rhinoequipment.com/1portfail.html
http://www.rhinoequipment.com/Single%20Port%20Failover%20Datasheet%201-22-2008.pdf

I've done a fair amount of research and this one is easier, cheaper,
more robust and  more flexible than other solutions I've looked into. 
I'm getting one in a few days.  

I talked about it a little bit yesterday on the VoIP users conference.  

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-22622/TS-137957.mp3

My ramble about about Redfone and Rhino is about three fifths of the way
through the recording.  It's a little winded, but I was speaking
top-of-mind.  You can the Rhino product for T1/E1/BRI or ANALOG trunks. 
There are several good solutions for PRI, including the redfone bridge:

http://www.red-fone.com/Products/fonebridge2/

The device from Rhino is in my opinion is a HUGE no-brainer for BRI or
Analog failover scenarios

-Karl

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-28 Thread map
Hi suggest this :
http://www.patapsco.co.uk

Maybe a little bit more expensive but a very good product.

Map

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:08 AM, George Pajari [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Why a three-port PRI card?

 Just put a two-port card into your Asterisk server, pull off those DIDs
 you want to process locally, and send the rest over the second port to
 the PBX. In the reverse direction, intercept calls from the PBX to the
 Asterisk DIDs but pass everything else to the telco.

 We just finished installing just a system for a car dealership in BC
 that is splitting the body shop off into a separate building running off
 Asterisk while the rest of the company remains on their existing legacy
 PBX for a while longer (they'll come over later).

 g.

 Jeremy Mann wrote:

  Does anyone know of a pri splitter device? Something that would take
  an incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple
  PRI ports?
 
  I'm needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two
  separate phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.
 
  I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card
  in a server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from
  both a hardware and software perspective.
 

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-28 Thread Dan Julius
How can you configure Asterisk to forward the calls you don't want to answer
back on the 2nd PRI line?
Does this traffic increase the load on the asterisk server, or is it
completely dealt with by the 2 port card?

Thanks,
Dan

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:46 AM, Paul Hales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Asterisk?

 PaulH


 Jeremy Mann wrote:
 
  Does anyone know of a pri splitter device? Something that would take
  an incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple
  PRI ports?
 
  I'm needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two
  separate phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.
 
  I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card
  in a server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from
  both a hardware and software perspective.
 
 
  
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[asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread Jeremy Mann
Does anyone know of a pri splitter device?  Something that would take an 
incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple PRI ports?

I'm needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two separate 
phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.

I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card in a 
server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from both a hardware 
and software perspective.



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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Jeremy Mann wrote:

 I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card in
 a server, but I’d like something braindead easy to configure from both a
 hardware and software perspective.

Anything you use is going to (essentially) be a 3-port ISDN PRI capable
switch, because that is the only way to accomplish what you need. There
really isn't any way to 'split' a PRI, unlike a T1 using CAS signaling
which can be 'split' using a drop-and-insert multiplexer.

If you don't want to use a small PC with a 3-port T1 card in it, you can
use something like an Adtran Atlas to do the job.

Alternatively, just use a 2-port T1 card in the Asterisk server, and run
the PRI *through* the Asterisk server on the way to the other PBX.
That's the most common way to do what you want to do.

-- 
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Director of Software Technologies
Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM)


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread Jeremy Mann
We've done the asterisk passthrough route, but if the asterisk box is down for 
whatever reason both systems are down.

Splitter wasn't the right word, but yes I see your point, I'll look into the 
Adtran.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:52 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

Jeremy Mann wrote:

 I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card in
 a server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from both a
 hardware and software perspective.

Anything you use is going to (essentially) be a 3-port ISDN PRI capable
switch, because that is the only way to accomplish what you need. There
really isn't any way to 'split' a PRI, unlike a T1 using CAS signaling
which can be 'split' using a drop-and-insert multiplexer.

If you don't want to use a small PC with a 3-port T1 card in it, you can
use something like an Adtran Atlas to do the job.

Alternatively, just use a 2-port T1 card in the Asterisk server, and run
the PRI *through* the Asterisk server on the way to the other PBX.
That's the most common way to do what you want to do.

--
Kevin P. Fleming
Director of Software Technologies
Digium, Inc. - The Genuine Asterisk Experience (TM)


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread Paul Hales

Asterisk?

PaulH


Jeremy Mann wrote:

 Does anyone know of a pri splitter device? Something that would take 
 an incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple 
 PRI ports?

 I’m needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two 
 separate phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.

 I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card 
 in a server, but I’d like something braindead easy to configure from 
 both a hardware and software perspective.


 
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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread George Pajari
Why a three-port PRI card?

Just put a two-port card into your Asterisk server, pull off those DIDs 
you want to process locally, and send the rest over the second port to 
the PBX. In the reverse direction, intercept calls from the PBX to the 
Asterisk DIDs but pass everything else to the telco.

We just finished installing just a system for a car dealership in BC 
that is splitting the body shop off into a separate building running off 
Asterisk while the rest of the company remains on their existing legacy 
PBX for a while longer (they'll come over later).

g.

Jeremy Mann wrote:

 Does anyone know of a pri splitter device? Something that would take 
 an incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple 
 PRI ports?

 I’m needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two 
 separate phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.

 I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card 
 in a server, but I’d like something braindead easy to configure from 
 both a hardware and software perspective.
   

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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Splitter

2008-08-27 Thread Anciso, Roy
Adtran Atlas 550. We were bring in a single pri into an atlas 550 and then 
splitting it up so that 6 channels went to a video system (h.320) and 17 
channels to our PBX.  You can also convert the signaling or send out on 
different type of connections like v.35. Pretty cool device and rock solid. We 
never had any problems with it.

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Jeremy Mann wrote:

 Does anyone know of a pri splitter device? Something that would take
 an incoming PRI, and based on DID send that out one of other multiple
 PRI ports?

 I'm needing to take a single PRI from the telco, and send it to two
 separate phone systems(one asterisk) based on DID.

 I know I could probably achieve the same thing with a 3 port PRI card
 in a server, but I'd like something braindead easy to configure from
 both a hardware and software perspective.


 
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