Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:18:36AM -0400, SIP wrote: Jay R. Ashworth wrote: ASCAP and BMI annual blankets aren't actually that expensive. A live music venue run by some friends of mine had both, and for 535 fire-code seating and about 150 nights a year, I think they paid $500 a year to each of them. So, let's decide that songwriting is something worth paying people to do (that's who BMI and ASCAP royalties go to, people), and quit whining, ok? Oh I'm hardly whining. Songwriters usually JUST scrape by on their music, and are often screwed over both by people who don't pay royalties and by ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, NPMI, etc, who are perfectly happy to adjust the royalties paid out in such ways as to maximise what they get to keep and minimise what they have to share. Ok, I retract 'whining'. :-) I'm not in a position to speak about whether the PRI's are screwing their members or not, but I would assume they're not screwing them as badly as record companies who own their performers masters. I'm merely explaining that, if you WANT to tempt fate and not pay performance royalties for on-hold music or music in the lobby of your office, then you have less of a chance of having to worry about it if you're a tiny shop than if you're a big one. Sure. And also that there are ways around having to pay yearly fees by using royalty-free music or writing your own. Not always, which was the point of my original followup: not all buyout music avoids BMI and ASCAP licensing; the buyout is on the *recording and sync rights*, not always the performance licensing. However, if you get caught willfully performing copyrighted music without paying ASCAP, BMI, et al, you're liable for a $100,000 fine ($20,000 per song if it's not deemed willful) per song. I wonder how much of *that* money goes to the songwriters. ;-) Cheers -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: However, if you get caught willfully performing copyrighted music without paying ASCAP, BMI, et al, you're liable for a $100,000 fine ($20,000 per song if it's not deemed willful) per song. I wonder how much of *that* money goes to the songwriters. ;-) Cheers -- jra I actually tried to find that out (even something anecdotal), but so far no luck. I'm guessing not that much. The law allows for adjusting the percentages somewhat on the fly for various reasons (for instance, web radio performances give much less money to the songwriters than regular radio performances because they fall under a new category created specifically to handle web radio), and I imagine that any legal action that accrued hefty fines would likely be deemed to be mostly administrative and legal costs as opposed to damages to the songwriter. Just a guess, though, borne from experience and my cynical nature. ;) N. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 11:26:25AM -0400, SIP wrote: I actually tried to find that out (even something anecdotal), but so far no luck. I'm guessing not that much. The law allows for adjusting the percentages somewhat on the fly for various reasons (for instance, web radio performances give much less money to the songwriters than regular radio performances because they fall under a new category created specifically to handle web radio), and I imagine that any legal action that accrued hefty fines would likely be deemed to be mostly administrative and legal costs as opposed to damages to the songwriter. Well, that there is actually a valid reason not to pass such fines along to their members: if they're escrowing them to bankroll legal action on behalf of such members. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
John Novack wrote: The fact that ASCAP goes on campaigns doesn't make it any less absurd (or, for that matter, any more likely that the average business is going to be taken to task); the reality is that thousands upon thousands of interconnects install PBX systems with radio ports on them that are plugged into cheap transistor radios bought at Wal-Mart and similar places, and nobody -- not the client, nor the interconnect -- has any clue about any royalty obligations that entails. People do it, think nothing of it (not least because the PBX vendors promote it as a feature!) and I think neither ASCAP nor any other royalty agency has the necessary resources to make even a dent in this kind of use. Simply put - tell it to the judge. As soon as I see one, I'd be happy to. Drivers speed , change lanes, cut others off every day and MOSTLY get away with it. Doesn't make it legal, does it? The difference between that and the piped-in radio is that drivers who speed, change lanes and cut others off *know* they are breaking the law, and most people who pipe The Fuzz 104 into their waiting rooms neither know they are breaking the law, nor do they much care. They can switch to NPR if they get a letter. Seriously -- this is totally unenforceable, and most reasonable people would take a legal threat to stop listening to the radio (which is how they're going to see it) as ridiculous and insulting, even if they *do* end up complying. Not any different than stealing software is it? I happen to think that listening to commercial radio broadcast over public airwaves, whether it's over the speaker in the ceiling or the radio on my porch, is a whole lot different from stealing software, yes. It's one thing if you're Dell or Microsoft and you are using music for your call centre, and another if you're the neighbourhood dental practice. In the eyes of the law, it makes NO difference. Lots of things are ugly in the eyes of the law. That doesn't change how people actually behave. Only real consequences do. I'm talking about what is happening on the street here, not the world as you prefer to see it. I have no trouble seeing the dollar signs in the eyes of the legal barracudas on the payroll of the various licencing agencies; that doesn't make their enforcement right, reasonable, or actually happen, for that matter. There are practical limitations on how many Mom and Pop operations they can go after. Do it until you are caught, you say? Hey -- *I'm* not doing it :) I'm just looking around at the thousands of people around me who are. The music business has a horrible public perception problem, and also an enforcement problem. Chasing after people who are piping commercial radio into their premises only alienates more of the general public, the very people they are trying to get to buy their product. I'm merely relaying the reaction of the average independent business person to such a request: You want me to do *what*? Come *on*. I'd be interested in getting in touch with any small businesses which have been given a cease and desist letter or demand for payment because they piped radio into their phone systems. Not only their phone systems but their waiting rooms Next time you go into an office or store and you see the yellow ASCAP label on the door, you know they probably have gotten a letter. I have never, ever seen such a label on the door of any professional office. Feel free to introduce me to someone who has one (and I'm not kidding.) MANY interconnects now have discovered they can make extra by selling a message on hold system that not only hawks the wares of the firm but escapes the clutches of ASCAP. Introduce me to some. I'm always keen to learn. You remind me of a friend who enjoys a good argument with a tree stump. I only argue with stumps that talk. *You* remind me of the guy on the freeway who calls the highway patrol because somebody cut someone else off. I felt compelled to speak up because I see a certain constituency that snaps to salute when big money waves an attorney's letter in their faces. There are lots of laws on the books that nobody pays heed to anymore, like town by-laws which say the mayor has to give a guy he's just kicked out of town a horse and a week's rations. Laws are written by people for people (more often, by people to serve the interests of certain other people) and for specific contexts and circumstances. They serve a purpose. They are not stone slabs that Moses brought down from the mountain. That's the reason why community standards matter in the enforcement of the law. As they say in the military: the map is not the territory. Again, please introduce me to someone who's been threatened or served because they were piping radio somewhere (even better, someone who has lost a court action because of it). I would like to be educated. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local market area. Stephen Bosch wrote: John Novack wrote: The fact that ASCAP goes on campaigns doesn't make it any less absurd (or, for that matter, any more likely that the average business is going to be taken to task); the reality is that thousands upon thousands of interconnects install PBX systems with radio ports on them that are plugged into cheap transistor radios bought at Wal-Mart and similar places, and nobody -- not the client, nor the interconnect -- has any clue about any royalty obligations that entails. People do it, think nothing of it (not least because the PBX vendors promote it as a feature!) and I think neither ASCAP nor any other royalty agency has the necessary resources to make even a dent in this kind of use. Simply put - tell it to the judge. As soon as I see one, I'd be happy to. Drivers speed , change lanes, cut others off every day and MOSTLY get away with it. Doesn't make it legal, does it? The difference between that and the piped-in radio is that drivers who speed, change lanes and cut others off *know* they are breaking the law, and most people who pipe The Fuzz 104 into their waiting rooms neither know they are breaking the law, nor do they much care. They can switch to NPR if they get a letter. Seriously -- this is totally unenforceable, and most reasonable people would take a legal threat to stop listening to the radio (which is how they're going to see it) as ridiculous and insulting, even if they *do* end up complying. Not any different than stealing software is it? I happen to think that listening to commercial radio broadcast over public airwaves, whether it's over the speaker in the ceiling or the radio on my porch, is a whole lot different from stealing software, yes. It's one thing if you're Dell or Microsoft and you are using music for your call centre, and another if you're the neighbourhood dental practice. In the eyes of the law, it makes NO difference. Lots of things are ugly in the eyes of the law. That doesn't change how people actually behave. Only real consequences do. I'm talking about what is happening on the street here, not the world as you prefer to see it. I have no trouble seeing the dollar signs in the eyes of the legal barracudas on the payroll of the various licencing agencies; that doesn't make their enforcement right, reasonable, or actually happen, for that matter. There are practical limitations on how many Mom and Pop operations they can go after. Do it until you are caught, you say? Hey -- *I'm* not doing it :) I'm just looking around at the thousands of people around me who are. The music business has a horrible public perception problem, and also an enforcement problem. Chasing after people who are piping commercial radio into their premises only alienates more of the general public, the very people they are trying to get to buy their product. I'm merely relaying the reaction of the average independent business person to such a request: You want me to do *what*? Come *on*. I'd be interested in getting in touch with any small businesses which have been given a cease and desist letter or demand for payment because they piped radio into their phone systems. Not only their phone systems but their waiting rooms Next time you go into an office or store and you see the yellow ASCAP label on the door, you know they probably have gotten a letter. I have never, ever seen such a label on the door of any professional office. Feel free to introduce me to someone who has one (and I'm not kidding.) MANY interconnects now have discovered they can make extra by selling a message on hold system that not only hawks the wares of the firm but escapes the clutches of ASCAP. Introduce me to some. I'm always keen to learn. You remind me of a friend who enjoys a good argument with a tree stump. I only argue with stumps that talk. *You* remind me of the guy on the freeway who calls the highway patrol because somebody cut someone else off. I felt compelled to speak up because I see a certain constituency that snaps to salute when big money waves an attorney's letter in their faces. There are lots of laws on the books that nobody pays heed to anymore, like town by-laws which say the mayor has to give a guy he's just kicked out of town a horse and a week's rations. Laws are written by people for people (more often, by people to serve the interests of certain other people) and for specific contexts and circumstances. They serve a purpose. They are not stone slabs that Moses brought down from the mountain. That's the reason why community standards matter in the enforcement of the law.
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Paul wrote: The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local market area. It is ALL copyright infringement, on hold or in a waiting room. That is the US law. Some may not like it, and are free to attempt to change it It really doesn't matter if one is ignorant of the law, the liability is still there. There is PLENTY of royalty free music available for Asterisk or any other device. No need to risk ones business by doing otherwise. Why do you think Digium chose to NOT distribute copyrighted music? -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
John Novack wrote: Paul wrote: The thread is about music on hold. Things such as playing local radio stations in a waiting room are not related. I don't think there is anything illegal about using normal over the air radio and TV for such purposes as long as it stays in the local market area. It is ALL copyright infringement, on hold or in a waiting room. That is the US law. Some may not like it, and are free to attempt to change it It really doesn't matter if one is ignorant of the law, the liability is still there. There is PLENTY of royalty free music available for Asterisk or any other device. No need to risk ones business by doing otherwise. Why do you think Digium chose to NOT distribute copyrighted music? http://www.connectionsmagazine.com/articles/2/212.html Lots of information around about people who've had issues with rebroadcasting the radio in their business establishments. However, it is rare that ASCAP et al go after anyone but the big moneymakers. The old Bloom County rule still holds true: sue the one with the money. For instance, in 2005, Dennis Rodman ran afoul of ASCAP because he was playing music over the speakers of his restaurant. Even HE complained rather often that it seems ridiculous that the only way to get permission to play music over the speakers of your local establishment is to pay utterly prohibitive licensing fees to ASCAP each year, but there's little that someone so public could have done to avoid being noticed. Mom 'n' Pop shops are less likely to be noticed or fooled with simply because they have a limited visitor base and a low profile as well as not having the money to license the music should it become an issue. Your average Mom 'n' Pop shop isn't going to pay the $20,000 per song no matter WHO threatens them. They'll just cease playing music over their PA or on their hold music. This would equate to a waste of time and money on the part of the ASCAP, SESAC, or other such agency that's in the business of making money, so it's less likely to ever get further than a POSSIBLE cease and desist letter. You pays your money and you takes your chances. If you're a high-profile company, you're far better off buying royalty-free music in the first place and just going with that. Alternately, you could write your own. All our on-hold music was written by our employees specifically for use on the on-hold system. It's a way of showcasing our local talent pool, and the composers are happy to have music in syndication (of sorts). N. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 07:28:05PM -0400, SIP wrote: Lots of information around about people who've had issues with rebroadcasting the radio in their business establishments. However, it is rare that ASCAP et al go after anyone but the big moneymakers. The old Bloom County rule still holds true: sue the one with the money. For instance, in 2005, Dennis Rodman ran afoul of ASCAP because he was playing music over the speakers of his restaurant. Even HE complained rather often that it seems ridiculous that the only way to get permission to play music over the speakers of your local establishment is to pay utterly prohibitive licensing fees to ASCAP each year, but there's little that someone so public could have done to avoid being noticed. ASCAP and BMI annual blankets aren't actually that expensive. A live music venue run by some friends of mine had both, and for 535 fire-code seating and about 150 nights a year, I think they paid $500 a year to each of them. So, let's decide that songwriting is something worth paying people to do (that's who BMI and ASCAP royalties go to, people), and quit whining, ok? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 07:28:05PM -0400, SIP wrote: Lots of information around about people who've had issues with rebroadcasting the radio in their business establishments. However, it is rare that ASCAP et al go after anyone but the big moneymakers. The old Bloom County rule still holds true: sue the one with the money. For instance, in 2005, Dennis Rodman ran afoul of ASCAP because he was playing music over the speakers of his restaurant. Even HE complained rather often that it seems ridiculous that the only way to get permission to play music over the speakers of your local establishment is to pay utterly prohibitive licensing fees to ASCAP each year, but there's little that someone so public could have done to avoid being noticed. ASCAP and BMI annual blankets aren't actually that expensive. A live music venue run by some friends of mine had both, and for 535 fire-code seating and about 150 nights a year, I think they paid $500 a year to each of them. So, let's decide that songwriting is something worth paying people to do (that's who BMI and ASCAP royalties go to, people), and quit whining, ok? Cheers, -- jra Oh I'm hardly whining. Songwriters usually JUST scrape by on their music, and are often screwed over both by people who don't pay royalties and by ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, NPMI, etc, who are perfectly happy to adjust the royalties paid out in such ways as to maximise what they get to keep and minimise what they have to share. I'm merely explaining that, if you WANT to tempt fate and not pay performance royalties for on-hold music or music in the lobby of your office, then you have less of a chance of having to worry about it if you're a tiny shop than if you're a big one. And also that there are ways around having to pay yearly fees by using royalty-free music or writing your own. However, if you get caught willfully performing copyrighted music without paying ASCAP, BMI, et al, you're liable for a $100,000 fine ($20,000 per song if it's not deemed willful) per song. N. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Steve Kennedy wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:22:20PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen anywhere already, you're only providing that to the listener through a phone handset instead of a computer speaker, which amounts to just another audio device controlled by an internet connected computer. No it's not, you're rebroadcasting and that would incur a difference license (if legal at all). What if the radio is on in the background when I make a call ? is that rebroadcasting ? kind of gets blurry on the definitions there. That's not as you're listening to it and not trying to rebroadcast. Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. There are the rules and then there are the practical realities. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they will. Not absurd at all. Simply because many do it in ignorance doesn't make it legal ASCAP goes on campaigns on a regular basis. Home residential users are probably safe though not legal. Business users have a greater visibility though There are all sorts of royalty free music sources available. No excuse not to use it. Or simply pay the yearly fee to ASCAP ( in the US ) There are the rules and then there are the practical realities. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Exactly, with the amount of royalty free music out there why bother. Just go searching for some you like, download it and while you are at it tip the author/performer a couple of bucks into their myspace tip jar or similar. For $10 why take the risk with ascap. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Novack Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 2:53 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ? Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they will. Not absurd at all. Simply because many do it in ignorance doesn't make it legal ASCAP goes on campaigns on a regular basis. Home residential users are probably safe though not legal. Business users have a greater visibility though There are all sorts of royalty free music sources available. No excuse not to use it. Or simply pay the yearly fee to ASCAP ( in the US ) There are the rules and then there are the practical realities. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
John Novack wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they will. Not absurd at all. Simply because many do it in ignorance doesn't make it legal ASCAP goes on campaigns on a regular basis. Home residential users are probably safe though not legal. Business users have a greater visibility though There are all sorts of royalty free music sources available. No excuse not to use it. Or simply pay the yearly fee to ASCAP ( in the US ) The fact that ASCAP goes on campaigns doesn't make it any less absurd (or, for that matter, any more likely that the average business is going to be taken to task); the reality is that thousands upon thousands of interconnects install PBX systems with radio ports on them that are plugged into cheap transistor radios bought at Wal-Mart and similar places, and nobody -- not the client, nor the interconnect -- has any clue about any royalty obligations that entails. People do it, think nothing of it (not least because the PBX vendors promote it as a feature!) and I think neither ASCAP nor any other royalty agency has the necessary resources to make even a dent in this kind of use. It's one thing if you're Dell or Microsoft and you are using music for your call centre, and another if you're the neighbourhood dental practice. I'd be interested in getting in touch with any small businesses which have been given a cease and desist letter or demand for payment because they piped radio into their phone systems. -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Stephen Bosch wrote: John Novack wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: Well, this is approaching the absurd. Do you know how many Meridian systems have radios plugged into them for on-hold background sound? Nobody pays royalties on those. IF they are discovered by ASCAP and receive a letter demanding payment they will. Not absurd at all. Simply because many do it in ignorance doesn't make it legal ASCAP goes on campaigns on a regular basis. Home residential users are probably safe though not legal. Business users have a greater visibility though There are all sorts of royalty free music sources available. No excuse not to use it. Or simply pay the yearly fee to ASCAP ( in the US ) The fact that ASCAP goes on campaigns doesn't make it any less absurd (or, for that matter, any more likely that the average business is going to be taken to task); the reality is that thousands upon thousands of interconnects install PBX systems with radio ports on them that are plugged into cheap transistor radios bought at Wal-Mart and similar places, and nobody -- not the client, nor the interconnect -- has any clue about any royalty obligations that entails. People do it, think nothing of it (not least because the PBX vendors promote it as a feature!) and I think neither ASCAP nor any other royalty agency has the necessary resources to make even a dent in this kind of use. Simply put - tell it to the judge. Drivers speed , change lanes, cut others off every day and MOSTLY get away with it. Doesn't make it legal, does it? Not any different than stealing software is it? It's one thing if you're Dell or Microsoft and you are using music for your call centre, and another if you're the neighbourhood dental practice. In the eyes of the law, it makes NO difference. Do it until you are caught, you say? I'd be interested in getting in touch with any small businesses which have been given a cease and desist letter or demand for payment because they piped radio into their phone systems. Not only their phone systems but their waiting rooms Next time you go into an office or store and you see the yellow ASCAP label on the door, you know they probably have gotten a letter. MANY interconnects now have discovered they can make extra by selling a message on hold system that not only hawks the wares of the firm but escapes the clutches of ASCAP. You remind me of a friend who enjoys a good argument with a tree stump. John Novack -- Dog is my co-pilot ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Steve Kennedy wrote: What if the radio is on in the background when I make a call ? is that rebroadcasting ? kind of gets blurry on the definitions there. That's not as you're listening to it and not trying to rebroadcast. I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has already been covered. I had a summer job many years ago (early '90s) for the organisation responsible for collecting royalties in Ireland (IMRO). My recollection is probably a bit off, but the situation was that: - if you played copyrighted music on your phone system you needed a license which was scaled on the number of external channels on your phone system - if you had copyrighted music playing in the background in your office/shop/workplace then you needed a license which was scaled on the number of people working in your office/shop/workplace The reasoning behind both was that the employer was making (or allowing) the music available to third parties which was classed as a performance in a public place, which incurs a royalty fee (public == anything that's not domestic). It didn't matter whether the music came from TV, radio or a recording (and royalties were also levied on the TV, radio and recording companies). IIRC The licenses were typically an annual fee on the order of (back then) about IEP 100-200 (now EUR 127-254). AFAIR the situation was similar in the UK, where the Performing Rights Organisation (PRO) were the equivalent body. -Ronan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 07:25:00AM -0400, Jared Smith wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC, depending on which PRO the music is registered with. Note that while there is lots of buyout production music out there, *some* of that buyout is *only* for the synchronization rights and the performance royalties are *still* due to the PRO. Synch rights are for the performers, performance rights are for the composers. Some buyout libraries pay their composers a flat buyout in turn for the rights, and don't register, or they're staffers. These libraries you can use without having to have a BMI or ASCAP license. If the titles of the tracks include (BMI) or (ASCAP), it's a good bet you need a blanket license to use them legally. Note that this is *still* true if someone *sells* you on-hold tracks: the end-user is responsible for performance rights fees, even though the creator of the composite tracks is responsible for the sync rights. IANAL, either. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Any help would be appreciated. On 7/31/07, Deepak Naidu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Just Google for: royalty free music, and will find plenty of sites that will serve your needs. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 12:49:45 PM So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Any help would be appreciated. On 7/31/07, Deepak Naidu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, printing, distributing or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. The Evangelical Lutheran Good Samaritan Society. - ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 12:49:45PM -0500, voiplist wrote: So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? In some cases, yes. It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. You don't. Read my other message. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Sure they do. :-) Look for buyout music, which is not registered with BMI or ASCAP, or which says performance rights included. If those two things are true, you're free and clear. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? On 7/31/07, john beaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just Google for: royalty free music, and will find plenty of sites that will serve your needs. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 12:49:45 PM So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Any help would be appreciated. On 7/31/07, Deepak Naidu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, printing, distributing or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. The Evangelical Lutheran Good Samaritan Society. - ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
No, you will not. According to the music industry those artists are all are entitled to compensation for every time their song is broadcast, which includes MoH. AFAIK, there are no popular songs by popular artists that are royalty-free. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 1:37:00 PM I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? On 7/31/07, john beaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just Google for: royalty free music, and will find plenty of sites that will serve your needs. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 12:49:45 PM So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Any help would be appreciated. On 7/31/07, Deepak Naidu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, printing, distributing or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. The Evangelical Lutheran Good Samaritan Society. - ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:37:00PM -0500, voiplist wrote: I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? Certainly not. :-) Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper.) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
There's no royalty free popular songs by popular artists. Not only would you have to pay royalties, you would have to secure the rights from the artists' representatives just to get the permission to play the songs in the first place. Darrell S. Long BestWeb Corporation john beaman wrote: No, you will not. According to the music industry those artists are all are entitled to compensation for every time their song is broadcast, which includes MoH. AFAIK, there are no "popular songs" by "popular artists" that are royalty-free. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 1:37:00 PM I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any "popular" music by "popular" artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? On 7/31/07, john beaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just Google for: royalty free music, and will find plenty of sites that will serve your needs. John Beaman Telecom Specialist Voice Telecommunications Services Department. Good Samaritan National Campus 605-362-3331 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/31/2007 12:49:45 PM So is there a simple way to license decent, up to date music? Can I just go to a website, click a buy button, pay my money and download the song? It seems idiotic that you need 15 lawyers and a million bucks use decent on hold music. Maybe I just don't know the procedure. I am all for paying the license fees and doing it right but they sure don't make it easy to give them money. Any help would be appreciated. On 7/31/07, Deepak Naidu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jared, Yes I am using with Asterisk only. So I am using the inbuilt music from Asterisk for onhold. -- Deepak Jared Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 06:36 +0100, Deepak Naidu wrote: I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. I'm no lawyer, but here's what I understand. (Please consult with an attorney in your area, and don't consider this legal advice.) The hold music that comes with Asterisk is provided by Digium under license from Freeplay Music Corporation for use in conjunction with the Asterisk software only. It's my understanding that you don't have to pay any kind of royalties to use it, as long as you're using it with Asterisk. You *do* have to pay royalties on music (or MP3 files) by commercial artists. These royalties vary by country. Using commercial music as hold music is considered broadcasting the music, which requires different licensing arrangements with the copyright holder. In the United States, you can buy a license from ASCAP (the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers) to be able to broadcast music from the major record labels. There are also several other places you can get royalty-free music for hold music. I've had good luck looking online, especially at sites like MagnaTune. -- Jared Smith Community Relations Manager Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users - This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, printing, distributing or use of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or return email and delete the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. The Evangelical Lutheran Good Samaritan Society. -
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 03:05:32PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:37:00PM -0500, voiplist wrote: I have done this in the past and I don't recall ever finding any popular music by popular artist. For example, if I wanted to play oh I don't know an original song performed by the original artist such as Nora Jones or The Beatles will I find this sort of thing at a Royalty Free Site? Certainly not. :-) Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper.) In the UK MCPS-PRS have standard rates for music-on-hold, it all depends on the number of lines. Their website has details. Steve -- NetTek Ltd UK mob +44-(0)7775 755503 UK +44-(0)20 79932612 / US +1-(310)8577715 / Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype/GoogleTalk/AIM/Gizmo/Mac stevekennedyuk / MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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. . . Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper.) Cheers, -- jra So, if, for instance, someone were to pipe in some broadcast stations, for MOH, that would be a copyright violation? Not that I know how to do that, with *, off the top of my head. joe a ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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On Tuesday July 31 2007 4:44 pm, Joe acquisto wrote: . . . Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper.) Cheers, -- jra So, if, for instance, someone were to pipe in some broadcast stations, for MOH, that would be a copyright violation? Not that I know how to do that, with *, off the top of my head. joe a IANAL or even close to one. Just grabbing the music form a broadcast station and rebroadcasting is technically illegal, at least in the US. What I have been told is that you would first have to check with the broadcast station, sign an agreement with them, and depending on the scope of their coverage, as in geographic, you might be able to use their station. It is my understanding that radio stations pay a license fee based on the coverage/market area. You may have to pay them the difference between what they pay for the coverage of the station and the global coverage that a PBX could potentially have. As a side note there have been several examples posted in the past of how to pipe in a music source. JohnM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen anywhere already, you're only providing that to the listener through a phone handset instead of a computer speaker, which amounts to just another audio device controlled by an internet connected computer. What if the radio is on in the background when I make a call ? is that rebroadcasting ? kind of gets blurry on the definitions there. On Tuesday July 31 2007 4:44 pm, Joe acquisto wrote: . . . Even if you can find non-original-artist recordings of such music, the *compositions* are registered with BMI and ASCAP, and you'll need blanket licenses to play them. (Well, if you only wanted one or two tracks, you might negotiate specific licenses, but I'm not sure it would be cheaper.) Cheers, -- jra So, if, for instance, someone were to pipe in some broadcast stations, for MOH, that would be a copyright violation? Not that I know how to do that, with *, off the top of my head. joe a IANAL or even close to one. Just grabbing the music form a broadcast station and rebroadcasting is technically illegal, at least in the US. What I have been told is that you would first have to check with the broadcast station, sign an agreement with them, and depending on the scope of their coverage, as in geographic, you might be able to use their station. It is my understanding that radio stations pay a license fee based on the coverage/market area. You may have to pay them the difference between what they pay for the coverage of the station and the global coverage that a PBX could potentially have. As a side note there have been several examples posted in the past of how to pipe in a music source. JohnM ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Jon Pounder _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ Inline Internet Systems Inc. Thorold, Ontario, Canada Tools to Power Your e-Business Solutions www.inline.net www.ihtml.com www.ihtmlmerchant.com www.opayc.com This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 05:22:20PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: Quoting John Millican [EMAIL PROTECTED]: there are plenty of radio stations with internet feeds of their audio, piping that in would not change any coverage area since anyone with internet could listen anywhere already, you're only providing that to the listener through a phone handset instead of a computer speaker, which amounts to just another audio device controlled by an internet connected computer. No it's not, you're rebroadcasting and that would incur a difference license (if legal at all). What if the radio is on in the background when I make a call ? is that rebroadcasting ? kind of gets blurry on the definitions there. That's not as you're listening to it and not trying to rebroadcast. Steve -- NetTek Ltd UK mob +44-(0)7775 755503 UK +44-(0)20 79932612 / US +1-(310)8577715 / Fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Skype/GoogleTalk/AIM/Gizmo/Mac stevekennedyuk / MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Royalty for On Hold Music ?
Hi, Is there any Royalty one needs to pay when using the inbuilt exisimg asterisk on hold music or when using any other mp3 from a music album. I think we need to pay for the later, but I am not sure if we need to pay for the inbuilt asterisk(freepbx) on hold music. -- Deepak - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
