Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-18 Thread Ishfaq Malik
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 08:10 +0100, Hans Witvliet wrote:
 On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 00:51 +0100, Albert wrote:
  On 18.02.2011 00:30, Andrew Joakimsen wrote: 
   On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:31, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
 I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed 
some
recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
asterisk server.

   Polycom phones are still working well and durable as a brick.
   
   Gransdstream phones still feel cheap.
   
   Cisco still have the same shenanigans going on with their firmware 
   downloads.
   
   
  Linksys SPA921, SPA922, SPA941, SPA942 are also working pretty well.
  
 same for snom, we have 320, 360, but other probably as well.
 hw
 
We use Snoms quite extensively and generally don't have too many
problems with them. They also have a very good method for remote
configuration.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-18 Thread Sherwood McGowan
I'm VERY partial to Aastra's devices. Seriously, they don't take as long to
boot as Polycoms, they're relatively inexpensive but are not CHEAP (like a
certain brand beginning with a G, in my opinion), they have decent web
interfaces (also unlike the unnamed brand I non-mentioned a moment ago),
solid features, and have good expansion modules as well.

In almost every case where a client ends up choosing Aastra as the brand to
buy after reading my shortlist of brands/models I suggest, I've had less
overall issues/complaints about the phones themselves. Even Polycom based
clients/locations have more issues/complaints/annoyances they wish to bring
to my attention than the Aastra based ones.

I do have a complaint about Aastra though...Because of my client's happiness
with the brand, and because I personally think they're worth suggesting, I
spoke with Aastra about becoming an authorized reseller...filled out the
paperwork, scanned it and emailed it to the rep I was working with..and
never heard another word...For a phone device company to never get back to a
telecom consultant who wanted to not only put their brand at the top of the
shortlist, but wanted to push the brand as their preferred brand to use..I
mean come on, seriously, free advertising and purchase referrals? Why
wouldn't you just file the paperwork and reply to the completed application
with a thank you, you are now an authorized reseller or even just a
thanks, but you don't meet the projected sales numbers we wish from our
resellers?

Anyway, Aastra IS great in my book...

Cheers all!
Sherwood I'm the Mick and that's my $0.05..keep the change McGowan
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-18 Thread randulo
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Sherwood McGowan
sherwood.mcgo...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm VERY partial to Aastra's devices. Seriously, they don't take as long to
 boot as Polycoms, they're relatively inexpensive but are not CHEAP (like a
snip

Great info.

 I do have a complaint about Aastra though...Because of my client's happiness
 with the brand, and because I personally think they're worth suggesting, I
 spoke with Aastra about becoming an authorized reseller...filled out the
 paperwork, scanned it and emailed it to the rep I was working with..and
 never heard another word...For a phone device company to never get back to a

Isn't this irritating? This is the era of recommendations on the net
and sales via email and e-commerce. The traditional phones mfrs are so
1990 - wanting to control everything. I guess they can afford to
piss consultants like you off, which is a shame IMO. And if they're
not reading this list, they're even more lame than I thought.
Meanwhile, they're probably spamming the heck out of people who aren't
interested.

/r

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-17 Thread Andrew Joakimsen
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:31, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.


Polycom phones are still working well and durable as a brick.

Gransdstream phones still feel cheap.

Cisco still have the same shenanigans going on with their firmware downloads.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-17 Thread Albert
On 18.02.2011 00:30, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:31, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.

 Polycom phones are still working well and durable as a brick.

 Gransdstream phones still feel cheap.

 Cisco still have the same shenanigans going on with their firmware downloads.


Linksys SPA921, SPA922, SPA941, SPA942 are also working pretty well.

Regards,
Albert

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-17 Thread Kevin P. Fleming

On 02/17/2011 05:51 PM, Albert wrote:

On 18.02.2011 00:30, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:31, ast guyast...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
asterisk server.


Polycom phones are still working well and durable as a brick.

Gransdstream phones still feel cheap.

Cisco still have the same shenanigans going on with their firmware downloads.



Linksys SPA921, SPA922, SPA941, SPA942 are also working pretty well.


... and have all been discontinued by Cisco.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-17 Thread Matt Riddell

On 18/02/11 1:00 PM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote:

On 02/17/2011 05:51 PM, Albert wrote:

Linksys SPA921, SPA922, SPA941, SPA942 are also working pretty well.


... and have all been discontinued by Cisco.


Kinda, they've pretty much just rebadged them Cisco SPA303 etc - all the 
same options in the website, pretty much same location, phones look the 
same etc etc.


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-17 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 00:51 +0100, Albert wrote:
 On 18.02.2011 00:30, Andrew Joakimsen wrote: 
  On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:31, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi,
I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
   recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
   asterisk server.
   
  Polycom phones are still working well and durable as a brick.
  
  Gransdstream phones still feel cheap.
  
  Cisco still have the same shenanigans going on with their firmware 
  downloads.
  
  
 Linksys SPA921, SPA922, SPA941, SPA942 are also working pretty well.
 
same for snom, we have 320, 360, but other probably as well.
hw

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-15 Thread Thomas Mullins
We have deployed about 50 Polycom IP 550's.  They have done well, and were easy 
to configure.  

HTH,

Shane


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Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:48 AM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:31 AM, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.

 Pls suggest.

 cheers
 /ag

Currently most every phone works well, if the patch for Cisco
subscriptions gets tested then I would say any non-skype phone.

I have a snom 360, a snom m3 and a snom 870 on my desks and work with
polycom phones when the market dictates.  Cisco 79XX and newer phones
work fine until you get to the more advanced features like directed
pickup and SLA but that support is coming.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-14 Thread ast guy
lolz, I agree. Better to spend more and use it for some time. It is not a
big installation about 4-5 extension so can spare the budget for it easily.

/Khurram
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Michael Graves mgra...@mstvp.com wrote:

 On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:28:19 -0700, Joel Maslak wrote:

 My take on this is to not skimp on the phones.  This is how people
 relate to the phone system you install.  Good phones will, to them,
 imply a good system.  And vise-versa.

 Life is just too sort to suffer through using a cheap phone.

 The memory of the bargain fades long before the frustration of using
 the device, or the sense that it's just cheap.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-14 Thread ast guy
Thanks Gordon, Grandstream is in my purchase list : )

/ag

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Gordon Henderson 
gordon+aster...@drogon.net wrote:

 On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, ast guy wrote:

 Hi,
 I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.


 Of-course, there's always good old Grandstream... Read the archives for
 lots of for's and againsts... I'm one of the 'for's' ...

 Just deployed a small number of their new GXP2100's too. I think this is
 their replacement for the GXP2000. They seem to be going for the Sit up and
 beg type phone rather than the flat desktop of the GXP2000.

 They're rather nice - a bit heavier than the GXP2000 and sound quality is
 better too. Also cheaper with the same (and more) functionality. I've not
 yet gotten my head round all their fancy XML screen setup stuff, but the
 built in weather app. does seem to work when you put in he right town code
 (from yahoo, apparently!)

 But a lot of people got stung with Grandstream in their early days, so it's
 buyer beware here. Personally I've gotten on really well with them and
 they've been a boon for clients who've been on a really tight budgets (I
 have a few charities, etc. on my books) I've also just re-cycled an office
 worth of 20 of them which are now 3.5 years old, and they looked a bit worn
 - the numbers seem to wear out on the buttons, but they were all functional.
 (after a cleanup!)

 Watch out for the PSUs though - I have had a higher than expected number of
 failures there, but I suspect it was down to one batch of dodgyness.

 Gordon


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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-14 Thread ast guy
Probably I will go with  cisco 7945g I hope its support is good with
asterisk. Have you used it ? is it simple in configuration?

/Khurram

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Andrew Latham lath...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:31 AM, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
   I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed
 some
  recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
  asterisk server.
 
  Pls suggest.
 
  cheers
  /ag

 Currently most every phone works well, if the patch for Cisco
 subscriptions gets tested then I would say any non-skype phone.

 I have a snom 360, a snom m3 and a snom 870 on my desks and work with
 polycom phones when the market dictates.  Cisco 79XX and newer phones
 work fine until you get to the more advanced features like directed
 pickup and SLA but that support is coming.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-14 Thread Kai-Uwe Jensen
 Currently most every phone works well, if the patch for Cisco
 subscriptions gets tested then I would say any non-skype phone.


Andrew, do you have any details on this patch? Is it in the bug tracker? I'd
be happy to try it out.

I've taken a patch from
http://fonality.com/trixbox/wiki/blf-busy-lamp-field-cisco-7975-how-apply-patch-trixbox-28-asterisk-16and
updated it for 1.8.x (stock, not trixbox, it that makes a difference).
It enables subscriptions and BLF on a 7970 just fine. However, it does not
renew subscriptions in case the asterisk server restarts. Never really
looked into it too deeply, but when * goes away it loses the subscriptions
from the Cisco. I believe the phone continues on, and neither side
recognizes the need to renew the subscription.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-14 Thread Andrew Latham
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Kai-Uwe Jensen kujen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Currently most every phone works well, if the patch for Cisco
 subscriptions gets tested then I would say any non-skype phone.

 Andrew, do you have any details on this patch? Is it in the bug tracker? I'd
 be happy to try it out.

 I've taken a patch from
 http://fonality.com/trixbox/wiki/blf-busy-lamp-field-cisco-7975-how-apply-patch-trixbox-28-asterisk-16
 and updated it for 1.8.x (stock, not trixbox, it that makes a difference).
 It enables subscriptions and BLF on a 7970 just fine. However, it does not
 renew subscriptions in case the asterisk server restarts. Never really
 looked into it too deeply, but when * goes away it loses the subscriptions
 from the Cisco. I believe the phone continues on, and neither side
 recognizes the need to renew the subscription.

 Thanks!

0013996: [patch] Presence subscription on Cisco SIP phone needs
special Cisco-styled XML
https://issues.asterisk.org/view.php?id=13996

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-13 Thread Gordon Henderson

On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, ast guy wrote:


Hi,
I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
asterisk server.


Of-course, there's always good old Grandstream... Read the archives for 
lots of for's and againsts... I'm one of the 'for's' ...


Just deployed a small number of their new GXP2100's too. I think this is 
their replacement for the GXP2000. They seem to be going for the Sit up 
and beg type phone rather than the flat desktop of the GXP2000.


They're rather nice - a bit heavier than the GXP2000 and sound quality is 
better too. Also cheaper with the same (and more) functionality. I've not 
yet gotten my head round all their fancy XML screen setup stuff, but the 
built in weather app. does seem to work when you put in he right town code 
(from yahoo, apparently!)


But a lot of people got stung with Grandstream in their early days, so 
it's buyer beware here. Personally I've gotten on really well with them 
and they've been a boon for clients who've been on a really tight budgets 
(I have a few charities, etc. on my books) I've also just re-cycled an 
office worth of 20 of them which are now 3.5 years old, and they looked a 
bit worn - the numbers seem to wear out on the buttons, but they were all 
functional. (after a cleanup!)


Watch out for the PSUs though - I have had a higher than expected number 
of failures there, but I suspect it was down to one batch of dodgyness.


Gordon

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-13 Thread Joel Maslak
My take on this is to not skimp on the phones.  This is how people
relate to the phone system you install.  Good phones will, to them,
imply a good system.  And vise-versa.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-13 Thread Michael Graves
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:28:19 -0700, Joel Maslak wrote:

My take on this is to not skimp on the phones.  This is how people
relate to the phone system you install.  Good phones will, to them,
imply a good system.  And vise-versa.

Life is just too sort to suffer through using a cheap phone.

The memory of the bargain fades long before the frustration of using
the device, or the sense that it's just cheap.

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[asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread ast guy
Hi,
 I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
asterisk server.

Pls suggest.

cheers
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread shayne.al...@gmail.com
zyxel

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 4:01 PM, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.

 Pls suggest.

 cheers
 /ag

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread Andrew Latham
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:31 AM, ast guy ast...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
  I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed some
 recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well with
 asterisk server.

 Pls suggest.

 cheers
 /ag

Currently most every phone works well, if the patch for Cisco
subscriptions gets tested then I would say any non-skype phone.

I have a snom 360, a snom m3 and a snom 870 on my desks and work with
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work fine until you get to the more advanced features like directed
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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread Terry Brummell
Aastra  Polycom because they can be configured using a TFTP server.
Great for large installations with centralized management.

 

Mitel 5215/5224 because they are dead simple to configure (via web gui)
and just plain work with no screwing around.

 

 

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Hi,
 I have been out of touch with asterisk for quit some time and needed
some recommendations. I am looking for SIP hardphone that works well
with asterisk server.

Pls suggest.

cheers
/ag

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread Andrew Latham
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Terry Brummell te...@brummell.net wrote:
 Aastra  Polycom because they can be configured using a TFTP server.  Great
 for large installations with centralized management.



 Mitel 5215/5224 because they are dead simple to configure (via web gui) and
 just plain work with no screwing around.

Terry

Phone Provisioning is a part of Asterisk.  It works over HTTP now and
with an FTP or TFTP proxy can work over multiple protocols at once.

Read More: 
https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Phone+Provisioning+in+Asterisk

I added example snom support and will have to start a review board for
adding Cisco, Aastra and others.

~~~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com ~~~

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread Terry Brummell
Yes, I use provisioning for my Polycom's.  And unfortunately, as far as I know, 
the Mitel's do not support tftp/http provisioning.  I did just upgrade my 
5215's to SIP Rel8 and I see them do a call to /init in the tftp, but I don't 
know what the phone is trying to do in that folder.
Anyway, that's taking this off topic of the OP.

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Terry

Phone Provisioning is a part of Asterisk.  It works over HTTP now and
with an FTP or TFTP proxy can work over multiple protocols at once.

Read More: 
https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Phone+Provisioning+in+Asterisk

I added example snom support and will have to start a review board for
adding Cisco, Aastra and others.

~~~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com ~~~

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread ast guy
Thanks for the comments, I will go through the detail and price and then
will buy accordingly,

cheers
/ag

On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Terry Brummell te...@brummell.net wrote:

 Yes, I use provisioning for my Polycom's.  And unfortunately, as far as I
 know, the Mitel's do not support tftp/http provisioning.  I did just upgrade
 my 5215's to SIP Rel8 and I see them do a call to /init in the tftp, but I
 don't know what the phone is trying to do in that folder.
 Anyway, that's taking this off topic of the OP.

 -Original Message-
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 asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Latham
 Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:59 AM
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 Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk


 Terry

 Phone Provisioning is a part of Asterisk.  It works over HTTP now and
 with an FTP or TFTP proxy can work over multiple protocols at once.

 Read More:
 https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Phone+Provisioning+in+Asterisk

 I added example snom support and will have to start a review board for
 adding Cisco, Aastra and others.

 ~~~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com ~~~

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Re: [asterisk-users] SIP Hardphone that works well with asterisk

2011-02-12 Thread Andrew Latham
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Terry Brummell te...@brummell.net wrote:
 Yes, I use provisioning for my Polycom's.  And unfortunately, as far as I 
 know, the Mitel's do not support tftp/http provisioning.  I did just upgrade 
 my 5215's to SIP Rel8 and I see them do a call to /init in the tftp, but I 
 don't know what the phone is trying to do in that folder.
 Anyway, that's taking this off topic of the OP.

Actually its not very far off topic.  When starting a new project, say
1000+ extensions, the decision is complex.  If you need 1000+ IP
phones you need to verify your supply chain and calculate cost of
installation.  If you have manually touch or even scan the phones then
things get complex real quick.  For example some suppliers will print
additional information on each box of phones to make deployment
easier.  If you get your boxes of phones with user or cubicle names
printed in relation to the MAC and also have the list for
configuration then you look like a super hero...  Price is not the
deciding point on real projects, its the supporting infrastructure.

We are also working to get some ATAs like the Audiocodes to work from
the res_phoneprov.  I have hacked together a TFTP proxy with the help
of some existing projects.  You can read more here
http://etel.wiki.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/Dynamic_Phone_Provisioning_with_res_phoneprov_and_TFTP


Some notes on IP hardphones to look for...

* Button Labels, When dealing with languages other than English you
need to verify that the phones are available with per language button
labels or no labels and on screen soft buttons in the language you
need.

* Configuration of VLAN on the phone.  Can it be done automatic or is
it a manual setting.  Does the phone support vlan tagging.

* Firmware updates: Are they free, fast and stable?

* POE standards.  Does the phone communicate its required power to the
switch correctly (not all switches or phones like each other.).
Example: Polycom 330 and Cisco 2960 = all ports think they need 15.4
watts and may over saturate the switch power supply causing random
ports to have POE turn off.  Polycom 331 and Cisco 2960 = All ports
communicate with the the phone and set wattage to ~4 watts +- cable
length

* Sidecars for the phones.  Can you dynamically add side cars to the
phones.  Lucky that today you can just order snom Visions and do some
hacking to fix this issue.

* Directory XML App. When you exceed the internal directory size, can
you create an XML app to allow the searching of a corporate directory
from the phones screen. (Hint: res_phoneprov + xml app + dynamic
alphabetic pages)

* Power Adapter: Many providers have order numbers with and without
power adapters.  In every installation you will need power adapters
for testing, verifying and for edge devices.

* Headsets: Customers request computability with headsets.  There are
Linksys phones shipping today with bluetooth.  My snom 870 has two
types of headset plugs on the back.

* Handset cord length: Some phones have long handset cords, others not so much.

* Handset weight, does it feel too light and weak

* Mounting, Are there wall mounting and multiple position desk mounting options

* Wireless/dect/cordless = Is it a dangerous environment?  I have
purchased simple analog phones at walmart for projects where the
cordless phones are damaged too often.

~~~ Andrew lathama Latham lath...@gmail.com ~~~

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