Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
On 7/8/07, Dovid B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What does the NexTone run for ? > > - Original Message - > From: "Andy Brezinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time... > > > > We use NexTone for our SBC's on our network. We like: > > > > - 10,000 concurrent calls with media routing > > - SIP & H.323 signaling with ability to take care of odd vendor > > specific issues > > - Basic routing engine allows you to create calling plans for > > individual end points > > - Limits by bandwidth or concurrent calls (or egress/ingress) for > > either discrete endpoints or via an iEdge group. > > - "Easy" GUI for those less tech savvy to do work on the machines. > > - Reasonable pricing on a per-port basis > > - Amazing Sales/Support teams. We've had some super funky requests > > we've thought about on a Friday night, they've got their teams together > > to walk us through every part of the configuration. Very knowledgeable > > and fun staff. (Seriously, best vendor support we've ever had, Hi Dan!) > > > > If you upgrade your SBC's to their RSM product you get basically a full > > Class 4 soft switch with a full LCR routing engine, reporting system and > > analytics engine. It's pretty powerful. > > > > Right now we're using just the SBC component and sending all ingress > > traffic to a egress trunk group (pointed to our OpenSER routers) but > > we're running a few thousand concurrent calls throught it. > > > > -- > > ~Andy Brezinsky > > > > On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 12:14 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: > >> Come on you carriers on the list... Give up the dibs what are you using > >> and why? > >> > >> About to sledgehammer these SELECT * FROM GARBAGE WHERE SBC = 'nCite' > >> > >> Don't bother shooting me off Newport Networks stuff... Too pricey > >> I agree with J.Oquendo! Maybe the story with 4.2 ver is different but their 3.1x line is horrible at the subscriber/access/line side, and they admit to it and have personally asked/recommended 'off-the-record' for me to go somewhere else for providing feature rich line-side features. A load of SIP METHODs/Messages aren't supported, no support for geographical redundancy (both SBCs must be placed physically in the same CoLo alongside with a x-over cable between them), Registration throttling doesn't work for me, neither does session-refresh, NAT traversal isn't adaptive (i.e. you can either media route everything or nothing, it doesn't detect that two endpoints might be behind the same NAT so don't bother media-routing them all the way to the PoP and back), doesn't load-balancing multiple application and/or call/proxy-servers (manually must assign priorities to each server) and many more but the worst and absolute worst is the support! I have solved more problems for them that I should be charging them for support instead of the other way around. I've found bugs, security holes, and incorrect implementation of the SIP RFCs. If the bug is obvious and they can figure out a solution for fast, they will work on it. If it involves investigation and/or major change/fix, they let it lie there. I had about 2 bugs that lay there in their system for almost 6 mths. Luckily I found workarounds for them and my service is running on those workarounds and will forever till we upgrade to 4.2 as we've been told that these might've (still no guarantee) been fixed in the newer releases. On the +ve side, their carrier side is good (but then, carrier/peering/interconnect is prob 25% as complex as the line-side) and robust, the quality is good and the pricing is very modularised, so you can cherry pick modules u want depending on what services you want to offer. Other SBC vendors sell you everything whether you ever use it or not! although I've heard now that Netrake has wised up and modularised their pricing after Audiocodes acquisition and having fired most of the original execs from Netrake. Anyone here heard of Covergence? I saw them at VON and had a LONG chat with them with a demo of their product. VERY neat, and am sifting through wads of their whitepapers before contacting them for inter-op for the Next PoP. Apparently the V-Dawg (Vonage) uses them not that that gives any credibility to anything but if anyone knows more than I do about them, please share! What about Acme Packet? Or Metaswitch SBCs, Juniper, Cisco, Sansay? Anyone written their own on Stacks provided by companies like Data Connection? oh
Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
What does the NexTone run for ? - Original Message - From: "Andy Brezinsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time... > We use NexTone for our SBC's on our network. We like: > > - 10,000 concurrent calls with media routing > - SIP & H.323 signaling with ability to take care of odd vendor > specific issues > - Basic routing engine allows you to create calling plans for > individual end points > - Limits by bandwidth or concurrent calls (or egress/ingress) for > either discrete endpoints or via an iEdge group. > - "Easy" GUI for those less tech savvy to do work on the machines. > - Reasonable pricing on a per-port basis > - Amazing Sales/Support teams. We've had some super funky requests > we've thought about on a Friday night, they've got their teams together > to walk us through every part of the configuration. Very knowledgeable > and fun staff. (Seriously, best vendor support we've ever had, Hi Dan!) > > If you upgrade your SBC's to their RSM product you get basically a full > Class 4 soft switch with a full LCR routing engine, reporting system and > analytics engine. It's pretty powerful. > > Right now we're using just the SBC component and sending all ingress > traffic to a egress trunk group (pointed to our OpenSER routers) but > we're running a few thousand concurrent calls throught it. > > -- > ~Andy Brezinsky > > On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 12:14 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: >> Come on you carriers on the list... Give up the dibs what are you using >> and why? >> >> About to sledgehammer these SELECT * FROM GARBAGE WHERE SBC = 'nCite' >> >> Don't bother shooting me off Newport Networks stuff... Too pricey >> >> ___ >> --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- >> >> asterisk-users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
I was looking in to Nextone. What don't you like about them ? - Original Message - From: "J. Oquendo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time... > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
Andy Brezinsky wrote: We use NexTone for our SBC's on our network. We like: - 10,000 concurrent calls with media routing - SIP & H.323 signaling with ability to take care of odd vendor specific issues - Basic routing engine allows you to create calling plans for individual end points - Limits by bandwidth or concurrent calls (or egress/ingress) for either discrete endpoints or via an iEdge group. - "Easy" GUI for those less tech savvy to do work on the machines. - Reasonable pricing on a per-port basis - Amazing Sales/Support teams. We've had some super funky requests we've thought about on a Friday night, they've got their teams together to walk us through every part of the configuration. Very knowledgeable and fun staff. (Seriously, best vendor support we've ever had, Hi Dan!) If you upgrade your SBC's to their RSM product you get basically a full Class 4 soft switch with a full LCR routing engine, reporting system and analytics engine. It's pretty powerful. Right now we're using just the SBC component and sending all ingress traffic to a egress trunk group (pointed to our OpenSER routers) but we're running a few thousand concurrent calls throught it. Man I should have also said ... No Nextone ;) We evaluated them before and they couldn't do what they claimed... Also of note alot of former Nextone clients happen to be new Netrake clients ;) If only those folks at Newport weren't so expensive. -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 echo infiltrated.net|sed 's/^/sil@/g' "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." -- Plato smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
We use NexTone for our SBC's on our network. We like: - 10,000 concurrent calls with media routing - SIP & H.323 signaling with ability to take care of odd vendor specific issues - Basic routing engine allows you to create calling plans for individual end points - Limits by bandwidth or concurrent calls (or egress/ingress) for either discrete endpoints or via an iEdge group. - "Easy" GUI for those less tech savvy to do work on the machines. - Reasonable pricing on a per-port basis - Amazing Sales/Support teams. We've had some super funky requests we've thought about on a Friday night, they've got their teams together to walk us through every part of the configuration. Very knowledgeable and fun staff. (Seriously, best vendor support we've ever had, Hi Dan!) If you upgrade your SBC's to their RSM product you get basically a full Class 4 soft switch with a full LCR routing engine, reporting system and analytics engine. It's pretty powerful. Right now we're using just the SBC component and sending all ingress traffic to a egress trunk group (pointed to our OpenSER routers) but we're running a few thousand concurrent calls throught it. -- ~Andy Brezinsky On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 12:14 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: > Come on you carriers on the list... Give up the dibs what are you using > and why? > > About to sledgehammer these SELECT * FROM GARBAGE WHERE SBC = 'nCite' > > Don't bother shooting me off Newport Networks stuff... Too pricey > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Session Border Controller time...
Come on you carriers on the list... Give up the dibs what are you using and why? About to sledgehammer these SELECT * FROM GARBAGE WHERE SBC = 'nCite' Don't bother shooting me off Newport Networks stuff... Too pricey -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 echo infiltrated.net|sed 's/^/sil@/g' "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something." -- Plato smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users