Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
On 07/18/2010 11:56 AM, Vieri wrote: I still don't see why one should pay for a channel when using a PBX but not when using a client such as Skype. OK, I know that the Skype network is proprietary and I have to accept whatever they say. Usage of the standard Skype client is not free; it involves acting as part of the peer-to-peer Skype network and helping to route calls and in some cases even helping to route media streams for calls. The Skype business solutions (including Skype For Asterisk) don't participate in the peer-to-peer network in this fashion, so every single user of these products does in fact increase the burden on Skype's own network resources. Their solution to this issue is to charge a nominal fee for access to the network. For Skype For Asterisk, calls are still free, and there is no per-channel charge, only a per-user charge (when it begins). This means that for a one-user cost per month, you can receive dozens of simultaneous calls from the Skype network into your Asterisk system. However, if a standard user can call and receive for free then there should be a way to do it from a PBX such as Asterisk. In fact, I came across this project: http://www.mhspot.com/sts/siptosis.html It seems to be a bit of a hack in that it integrates a SIP PBX with a standard Skype client (which doesn't necessarily have to be on the same machine or same OS...). In short, one can use a standard Skype account and not pay a cent for user-to-user calls. Any solution that uses a regular Skype client will be limited to one call at a time; the regular Skype client is not multi-user, and does not support multiple calls (calls can be placed on hold, but there cannot be more than one active call). If this suits your needs, you can certainly try it. There are other Skype gateway solutions that use a similar method, but they are not free. -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
On 07/18/2010 12:18 PM, Steve Kennedy wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:56:30AM -0700, Vieri wrote: As I said above, once you have purchased your SIP channel you can make free calls to your PBX using the special number but it's only INBOUND AFAIK. [lots snipped] With Skype's just released SkypeKit it should be possible to build any application with Skype support (costs $20 to register as a dev), they've now got libraries for Linux and now Windows and MacOS X. SkypeKit is basically a headless Skype client. SkypeKit is currently single-user and single-call, just like the regular Skype client. -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
I have been using SiSky Enterprise Edition to integrate Skype with asterisk. You can even call saved skype users from your asterisk system, by creating speed dials in SiSky. Unfortunately it is not a free product but it is very reasonable. Thank you, Brad Finberg - Original Message - From: Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Cc: Date: Sunday, July 18 2010 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Vieri rentor...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to integrate Skype and Asterisk but I'm only interested in these 2 things: 1) allow any Asterisk SIP extension to call any Skype user. I do not need to call landlines via Skype. I think this is _explicitly_ not supported in the Skype for SIP docs. 2) allow Internet Skype users to call my Asterisk PBX Skype user and route the call to a specific Asterisk SIP extension. Here is how it goes from my experience with Skype: each SIP channel will cost you about $5 a month, regardless if you have a landline number with them or not. Your account will be assigned a special Skype number 99x . With that number a Skype user can call you and it will be free. You _cannot_ call Skype users from your PBX, as I stated above, this is an explicit no-no in the docs. If you want to make calls from your PBX to landlines you have to buy Skype credit just like you would with a regular skype client. If you want land-lines to call your PBX you need to purchase a skype number which about $60 a year. At first, I thought it would be simple and free. However, correct me if I'm wrong but the Skype user I can use within the Asterisk PBX cannot be the standard type (used by eg. desktop Skype applications) but needs to be created by the Skype User Manager for Business Solutions. I believe this has a price although Skype For SIP Open Beta seems to be free until Q4 2010. I think you can associate existing skype users to your Business Solutions manager but I still don't understand exactly how or why this is useful, and I don't think it has to do with you being able to call any of them from your PBX. Then again I haven't paid much attention to that and perhaps you have more insight into this. Has anyone found a way to make pure Internet user-to-user Skype/SIP calls via Asterisk (no PSTN involved) for free? As I said above, once you have purchased your SIP channel you can make free calls to your PBX using the special number but it's only INBOUND AFAIK. Best, Alejandro Imass Thanks, Vieri -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users-- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Kevin P. Fleming kpflem...@digium.com wrote: Usage of the standard Skype client is not free; it involves acting as part of the peer-to-peer Skype network The Skype business solutions (including Skype For Asterisk) don't participate in the peer-to-peer network Any solution that uses a regular Skype client will be limited to one call at a time; Thanks for the explanation! It's crystal-clear now. Vieri -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
Hi, I'm trying to integrate Skype and Asterisk but I'm only interested in these 2 things: 1) allow any Asterisk SIP extension to call any Skype user. I do not need to call landlines via Skype. 2) allow Internet Skype users to call my Asterisk PBX Skype user and route the call to a specific Asterisk SIP extension. At first, I thought it would be simple and free. However, correct me if I'm wrong but the Skype user I can use within the Asterisk PBX cannot be the standard type (used by eg. desktop Skype applications) but needs to be created by the Skype User Manager for Business Solutions. I believe this has a price although Skype For SIP Open Beta seems to be free until Q4 2010. Has anyone found a way to make pure Internet user-to-user Skype/SIP calls via Asterisk (no PSTN involved) for free? Thanks, Vieri -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Vieri rentor...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to integrate Skype and Asterisk but I'm only interested in these 2 things: 1) allow any Asterisk SIP extension to call any Skype user. I do not need to call landlines via Skype. I think this is _explicitly_ not supported in the Skype for SIP docs. 2) allow Internet Skype users to call my Asterisk PBX Skype user and route the call to a specific Asterisk SIP extension. Here is how it goes from my experience with Skype: each SIP channel will cost you about $5 a month, regardless if you have a landline number with them or not. Your account will be assigned a special Skype number 99x . With that number a Skype user can call you and it will be free. You _cannot_ call Skype users from your PBX, as I stated above, this is an explicit no-no in the docs. If you want to make calls from your PBX to landlines you have to buy Skype credit just like you would with a regular skype client. If you want land-lines to call your PBX you need to purchase a skype number which about $60 a year. At first, I thought it would be simple and free. However, correct me if I'm wrong but the Skype user I can use within the Asterisk PBX cannot be the standard type (used by eg. desktop Skype applications) but needs to be created by the Skype User Manager for Business Solutions. I believe this has a price although Skype For SIP Open Beta seems to be free until Q4 2010. I think you can associate existing skype users to your Business Solutions manager but I still don't understand exactly how or why this is useful, and I don't think it has to do with you being able to call any of them from your PBX. Then again I haven't paid much attention to that and perhaps you have more insight into this. Has anyone found a way to make pure Internet user-to-user Skype/SIP calls via Asterisk (no PSTN involved) for free? As I said above, once you have purchased your SIP channel you can make free calls to your PBX using the special number but it's only INBOUND AFAIK. Best, Alejandro Imass Thanks, Vieri -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
--- On Sun, 7/18/10, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: Hi, I'm trying to integrate Skype and Asterisk but I'm only interested in these 2 things: 1) allow any Asterisk SIP extension to call any Skype user. I do not need to call landlines via Skype. I think this is _explicitly_ not supported in the Skype for SIP docs. 2) allow Internet Skype users to call my Asterisk PBX Skype user and route the call to a specific Asterisk SIP extension. Here is how it goes from my experience with Skype: each SIP channel will cost you about $5 a month, regardless if you have a landline number with them or not. Your account will be assigned a special Skype number 99x . With that number a Skype user can call you and it will be free. You _cannot_ call Skype users from your PBX, as I stated above, this is an explicit no-no in the docs. If you want to make calls from your PBX to landlines you have to buy Skype credit just like you would with a regular skype client. If you want land-lines to call your PBX you need to purchase a skype number which about $60 a year. At first, I thought it would be simple and free. However, correct me if I'm wrong but the Skype user I can use within the Asterisk PBX cannot be the standard type (used by eg. desktop Skype applications) but needs to be created by the Skype User Manager for Business Solutions. I believe this has a price although Skype For SIP Open Beta seems to be free until Q4 2010. I think you can associate existing skype users to your Business Solutions manager but I still don't understand exactly how or why this is useful, and I don't think it has to do with you being able to call any of them from your PBX. Then again I haven't paid much attention to that and perhaps you have more insight into this. Has anyone found a way to make pure Internet user-to-user Skype/SIP calls via Asterisk (no PSTN involved) for free? As I said above, once you have purchased your SIP channel you can make free calls to your PBX using the special number but it's only INBOUND AFAIK. Thanks Alejandro, I still don't see why one should pay for a channel when using a PBX but not when using a client such as Skype. OK, I know that the Skype network is proprietary and I have to accept whatever they say. However, if a standard user can call and receive for free then there should be a way to do it from a PBX such as Asterisk. In fact, I came across this project: http://www.mhspot.com/sts/siptosis.html It seems to be a bit of a hack in that it integrates a SIP PBX with a standard Skype client (which doesn't necessarily have to be on the same machine or same OS...). In short, one can use a standard Skype account and not pay a cent for user-to-user calls. Can chan_skype do that? (it doesn't seem to) Has anyone tried SipToSis? Thanks, Vieri -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Skype for Asterisk, Skype For SIP
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 09:56:30AM -0700, Vieri wrote: As I said above, once you have purchased your SIP channel you can make free calls to your PBX using the special number but it's only INBOUND AFAIK. [lots snipped] With Skype's just released SkypeKit it should be possible to build any application with Skype support (costs $20 to register as a dev), they've now got libraries for Linux and now Windows and MacOS X. SkypeKit is basically a headless Skype client. Steve -- NetTek Ltd UK mob +44 7775 755503 UK +44 20 7993 2612 / US +1 310 857 7715 / Fax +44 20 7483 2455 Skype/GoogleTalk/AIM/Gizmo/.Mac/Twitter/FriendFeed stevekennedyuk Euro Tech News Blog http://eurotechnews.blogspot.com MSN st...@gbnet.net -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
