Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Luca Corti wrote: On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:46 +0200, map wrote: Linksys SPAs work well with Asterisk I know, I use them and besides some initial nasty bugs and occasional quirks they are quite nice. I also think they are not so ugly. Luca, what sort of nasty bugs and quirks have you seen with the Linksys SPA? We've recently started using a few SPA-921, and will probably be buying some more. /Per Jessen, Zürich ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Hi: Salvatore Giudice wrote: Product selection is not cut and dry. What are your business requirements? So you need encryption? If so, what kind? No. Do they need support for outbound proxies? No. Are you going to use the same model for remote deployments? Yes. Do you need WAP capabilities? No. Do you need programmable speed dials? Yes. Do you need modular admin sidecars? Maybe. Do you need IPSEC capabilities built into the handset? No. Do you need advanced/specific codec support? Wideband (I think that's G.729) is a nice-to-have. Do you need guaranteed interoperability with specific vendor supplied components? Not at the moment. (No) Are you looking for a phone for 10 people, 100 people, or 1 people? If you are scaling, what does your provisioning system look like? 10 - 250; TFTP or FTP-based provisioning. Do you need phone features like video or quality speaker phone? Quality speaker phone. No demand for video. What is your budget for phones? up to 300 CAD per unit, preferably around 200 CAD Do you need an RTCP capable handset? If I knew what that was... :) Do you need a handset that support 802.11p for QoS? No. Will that help narrow things down? -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Stephen Bosch wrote: Hi: Salvatore Giudice wrote: Product selection is not cut and dry. What are your business requirements? So you need encryption? If so, what kind? No. Do they need support for outbound proxies? No. Are you going to use the same model for remote deployments? Yes. Do you need WAP capabilities? No. Do you need programmable speed dials? Yes. Do you need modular admin sidecars? Maybe. Do you need IPSEC capabilities built into the handset? No. Do you need advanced/specific codec support? Wideband (I think that's G.729) is a nice-to-have. Do you need guaranteed interoperability with specific vendor supplied components? Not at the moment. (No) Are you looking for a phone for 10 people, 100 people, or 1 people? If you are scaling, what does your provisioning system look like? 10 - 250; TFTP or FTP-based provisioning. Do you need phone features like video or quality speaker phone? Quality speaker phone. No demand for video. What is your budget for phones? up to 300 CAD per unit, preferably around 200 CAD Do you need an RTCP capable handset? If I knew what that was... :) Do you need a handset that support 802.11p for QoS? No. Will that help narrow things down? -Stephen- Polycom 301 or 501 (probably 501 since you need speakerphone and the 301 has a great speaker but no mic) Thanks, Steve ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
C F wrote: J, Sorry didn't see this email when I wrote the other one (gmail sorts them on a LIFO order). I can agree with you on everything even with the terrible pain of getting Polycoms up and running, but once it is up dont you have less problems with them then with other phones? Isn't the sound quality of the Polycoms better than any of the other phones? Depends on the network sometimes. For clients with anything less than a dedicated-to-VoIP-T1 I would have to disagree. If you do face this situation (someone with low bandwidth), Snom's rock. I did not have that good of an experience with Snoms. I guess I should try again, since it's well over 18 months since I tried last. I stated They aren't the best... but of the whole lot of phones I deal with, they've been thusfar the least problematic. Awesome photo, arn't you having too much fun working? Nah ;) that's like a fraction of junk I play with. At work I have a CC(IE/VP) lab too. 2 3620's 2501, 2522, 3 4500M's, LS1010, Merge ISDN simulator, Pix, Cat 3500's, Netscouts... :D Again I think the Polycom once configure right is quite easy for both the admin and the user. Well, two things come into play so I should have mentioned it. Its best to get a complete picture of what the end user would expect. Once you set those options in XML, unless you're setting up a tftpboot server and can change it, you're hit. I've had far too many instances where clients have ordered them and wanted cosmetic changes that could only be done via the xml files. But what happens when those phones are not booting via tftp. I'm stuck. I either have to have them send me back the phone to make the changes, re-do one and send it back out, or maybe on rare occasions walk someone through having their phone boot via tftp to one my me servers to make those changes. Now ponder this for a minute... Executive John calls me: Can you make this change for me ... I respond Sure can you open up your firewall for me, I will also need you to press x button and enter the following... Even with some so called certified engineers, that becomes cumbersome. Most of the times if they have their own PBX (I work for a company that does managed PBX's and sells PBX's), and we administrate it, I will set up a squid proxy with only my IP space allowed via ACL's and firewall rules, so I could throw on a proxy on my browser and do it. -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 14:47 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: 1) Snom 2) none! (they're all pretty much the same to me) 3) none! (they all have their pros and cons) 4) Cisco 5) ASStra 6) Polycrud You haven't even mentioned Linksys SPAs. Have you tested them? ciao Luca ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Luca Corti wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 14:47 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: 1) Snom 2) none! (they're all pretty much the same to me) 3) none! (they all have their pros and cons) 4) Cisco 5) ASStra 6) Polycrud You haven't even mentioned Linksys SPAs. Have you tested them? ciao Luca We have them in our demo room. No one wants them claiming the too look cheap. I've programmed like 2 in the last who knows how long and have no desire to add more stuff to my desk. I've read others' compliments on their use, but Linksys as a whole... Let's say I have an opinion on them. So no mentions of them due to the fact they're not popular with my clients. As for a breakdown... Right now my clients at least 90% of them are SoHo businesses with anywhere between 10 and 400 users. I would estimate most PBX's I build at about 75 clients. They never even pick up Linksys phones when visiting us. I also have Welltech phones I did not mention for the same reason. I don't believe there is a phone on the market right now that hasn't made it to my desk to be quite honest. If we went by majority rules... This is what I've been putting out based on quantity: Snom Polycom Aastra Cisco Welltech With Aastra making a huge gain this year. Last year, people didn't bother with them. This year when the 480iCT came out, we've had more orders for them. Snom's have always been ordered over Poly's with customers even preferring lowly 190's over Poly's. -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Linksys SPAs work well with Asterisk On 4/13/07, Luca Corti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 14:47 -0400, J. Oquendo wrote: 1) Snom 2) none! (they're all pretty much the same to me) 3) none! (they all have their pros and cons) 4) Cisco 5) ASStra 6) Polycrud You haven't even mentioned Linksys SPAs. Have you tested them? ciao Luca ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:46 +0200, map wrote: Linksys SPAs work well with Asterisk I know, I use them and besides some initial nasty bugs and occasional quirks they are quite nice. I also think they are not so ugly. ciao Luca ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
On 4/13/07, J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C F wrote: J, Sorry didn't see this email when I wrote the other one (gmail sorts them on a LIFO order). I can agree with you on everything even with the terrible pain of getting Polycoms up and running, but once it is up dont you have less problems with them then with other phones? Isn't the sound quality of the Polycoms better than any of the other phones? Depends on the network sometimes. For clients with anything less than a dedicated-to-VoIP-T1 I would have to disagree. If you do face this situation (someone with low bandwidth), Snom's rock. I did not have that good of an experience with Snoms. I guess I should try again, since it's well over 18 months since I tried last. I stated They aren't the best... but of the whole lot of phones I deal with, they've been thusfar the least problematic. Awesome photo, arn't you having too much fun working? Nah ;) that's like a fraction of junk I play with. At work I have a CC(IE/VP) lab too. 2 3620's 2501, 2522, 3 4500M's, LS1010, Merge ISDN simulator, Pix, Cat 3500's, Netscouts... :D Again I think the Polycom once configure right is quite easy for both the admin and the user. Well, two things come into play so I should have mentioned it. Its best to get a complete picture of what the end user would expect. Once you set those options in XML, unless you're setting up a tftpboot server and can change it, you're hit. I've had far too many instances where clients have ordered them and wanted cosmetic changes that could only be done via the xml files. But what happens when those phones are not booting via tftp. I'm stuck. I either have to have them send me back the phone to make the changes, re-do one and send it back out, or maybe on rare occasions walk someone through having their phone boot via tftp to one my me servers to make those changes. Now ponder this for a minute... Executive John calls me: Can you make this change for me ... I respond Sure can you open up your firewall for me, I will also need you to press x button and enter the following... Even with some so called certified engineers, that becomes cumbersome. This is one point that I have to agree with you, I dread the phone calls that users call me they want just a simple change on a Polycom specific to them. However using FTP, it's only a big deal because of the XML (which also means that I have to document the change, since there is NO way for me to know otherwise that it has a minor change compared to the rest of the users), but it should work nicely remotely as well. All I do before deploying a Polycom phone to a remote site (which is quite easy to walk someone thru it over the phone) is set the FTP Server address, username, and password. Which requires just opening FTP on the server side firewall. That means for security reasons I can't leave it that way, but I could open it up when the user needs a change and have them reboot the phone. Still this is my phone of choice, althoug for the price they should have had much more features when it comes to remapping buttons, or PoE. I must say I have never run into a situation where I had low bandwidth, I always make sure there is at least 768k up, with a less than 150ms latency (not always have been able to meet the later, but never more than 250ms), so can't realy comment on this one. You are pushing me to test that snom again. Will try it. Most of the times if they have their own PBX (I work for a company that does managed PBX's and sells PBX's), and we administrate it, I will set up a squid proxy with only my IP space allowed via ACL's and firewall rules, so I could throw on a proxy on my browser and do it. -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
I think that the best choice is the snom family... We use all snom in ower office. We tried the Polycom but the support is not so good. Bruno. C F wrote: On 4/13/07, J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C F wrote: J, Sorry didn't see this email when I wrote the other one (gmail sorts them on a LIFO order). I can agree with you on everything even with the terrible pain of getting Polycoms up and running, but once it is up dont you have less problems with them then with other phones? Isn't the sound quality of the Polycoms better than any of the other phones? Depends on the network sometimes. For clients with anything less than a dedicated-to-VoIP-T1 I would have to disagree. If you do face this situation (someone with low bandwidth), Snom's rock. I did not have that good of an experience with Snoms. I guess I should try again, since it's well over 18 months since I tried last. I stated They aren't the best... but of the whole lot of phones I deal with, they've been thusfar the least problematic. Awesome photo, arn't you having too much fun working? Nah ;) that's like a fraction of junk I play with. At work I have a CC(IE/VP) lab too. 2 3620's 2501, 2522, 3 4500M's, LS1010, Merge ISDN simulator, Pix, Cat 3500's, Netscouts... :D Again I think the Polycom once configure right is quite easy for both the admin and the user. Well, two things come into play so I should have mentioned it. Its best to get a complete picture of what the end user would expect. Once you set those options in XML, unless you're setting up a tftpboot server and can change it, you're hit. I've had far too many instances where clients have ordered them and wanted cosmetic changes that could only be done via the xml files. But what happens when those phones are not booting via tftp. I'm stuck. I either have to have them send me back the phone to make the changes, re-do one and send it back out, or maybe on rare occasions walk someone through having their phone boot via tftp to one my me servers to make those changes. Now ponder this for a minute... Executive John calls me: Can you make this change for me ... I respond Sure can you open up your firewall for me, I will also need you to press x button and enter the following... Even with some so called certified engineers, that becomes cumbersome. This is one point that I have to agree with you, I dread the phone calls that users call me they want just a simple change on a Polycom specific to them. However using FTP, it's only a big deal because of the XML (which also means that I have to document the change, since there is NO way for me to know otherwise that it has a minor change compared to the rest of the users), but it should work nicely remotely as well. All I do before deploying a Polycom phone to a remote site (which is quite easy to walk someone thru it over the phone) is set the FTP Server address, username, and password. Which requires just opening FTP on the server side firewall. That means for security reasons I can't leave it that way, but I could open it up when the user needs a change and have them reboot the phone. Still this is my phone of choice, althoug for the price they should have had much more features when it comes to remapping buttons, or PoE. I must say I have never run into a situation where I had low bandwidth, I always make sure there is at least 768k up, with a less than 150ms latency (not always have been able to meet the later, but never more than 250ms), so can't realy comment on this one. You are pushing me to test that snom again. Will try it. Most of the times if they have their own PBX (I work for a company that does managed PBX's and sells PBX's), and we administrate it, I will set up a squid proxy with only my IP space allowed via ACL's and firewall rules, so I could throw on a proxy on my browser and do it. -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
C F wrote: I must say I have never run into a situation where I had low bandwidth, I always make sure there is at least 768k up, with a less than 150ms latency (not always have been able to meet the later, but never more than 250ms), so can't realy comment on this one. *Ducks the items thrown after this one...* Don't ask why... For some reason I ended up with a client on a channelized T w/768 allocated for VoIP. They had an insane packet loss (sometimes 60%) which some level1 noc monkey told me was normal before I asked for his supervisor They averaged (not kidding) about 170ms and had about 40 Snoms... Why? I asked myself that daily... On notes of ftp... I wouldn't mind, its almost always the other side that gets all teary eyed You want me to open a hole in my firewall! (said the recent MCSE shlup)... ;) -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Product selection is not cut and dry. What are your business requirements? So you need encryption? If so, what kind? Do they need support for outbound proxies? Are you going to use the same model for remote deployments? Do you need WAP capabilities? Do you need programmable speed dials? Do you need modular admin sidecars? Do you need IPSEC capabilities built into the handset? Do you need advanced/specific codec support? Do you need guaranteed interoperability with specific vendor supplied components? Are you looking for a phone for 10 people, 100 people, or 1 people? If you are scaling, what does your provisioning system look like? Do you need phone features like video or quality speaker phone? What is your budget for phones? Do you need an RTCP capable handset? Do you need a handset that support 802.11p for QoS? The more specific you can get about your business requirements, the better targeted your product selection will be. -- Salvatore Giudice [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP Security Training, LLC http://VoIPSecurityTraining.com 848 N. Rainbow Blvd. #1676 Las Vegas, NV 89107 Phone: (702) 979-2906 Fax: (212) 279-2906 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Bosch Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:54 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy? I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge. Advice, anyone? -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Stephen Bosch wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge... ...because I like to stay dumb. Of course, that's not what I meant :) We have Cisco, Aastra 480i and Grandstream GXP2000 phones in house. I only recommend the Cisco phones to people I don't like, overpriced and far too much work. The Aastra 480i is a good quality phone, on par with Cisco and probably with Polycom (though I've never used them). Voice quality is good, phone feels robust. Config is well documented and contained in two text files (one global, one MAC specific). Good web interface on the phone. Aastra support have been very responsive. Grandstream phones are lower quality but good value for money. Sound and feel of phones is not so good as Aastra or Cisco. Configuration is through a binary file, a bit fiddly, but quite manageable with a few scripts. Good web interface on the phone. Grandstream support have also been very responsive. regards, Drew -- Drew Gibson Systems Administrator OANDA Corporation www.oanda.com ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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Drew Gibson wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge... ...because I like to stay dumb. Of course, that's not what I meant :) We have Cisco, Aastra 480i and Grandstream GXP2000 phones in house. I only recommend the Cisco phones to people I don't like, overpriced and far too much work. The Aastra 480i is a good quality phone, on par with Cisco and probably with Polycom (though I've never used them). Voice quality is good, phone feels robust. Config is well documented and contained in two text files (one global, one MAC specific). Good web interface on the phone. Aastra support have been very responsive. Grandstream phones are lower quality but good value for money. Sound and feel of phones is not so good as Aastra or Cisco. Configuration is through a binary file, a bit fiddly, but quite manageable with a few scripts. Good web interface on the phone. Grandstream support have also been very responsive. regards, Drew -- Drew Gibson Systems Administrator OANDA Corporation www.oanda.com I have Cisco 7960G, Polycom SP 501, Aastra 480i, Grandstream GXP2000 and Budgetone 200 desk phones in my test lab. Overall, I like the Cisco best. I even bought one for home use. Configuration was no more difficult than any other. The Cisco, Aastra and Polycom have similar voice quality. They're all very good handsets and speakerphones. Of these three, the Aastra is the only backlit display, but it is hard to read from an angle and the backlight is not very effective. Aastra is also very vulnerable to glare. The Cisco and Polycom are easier to read unless you are in a darkened room. The Grandstream GXP2000 and Budgetone 200 have nice, bright and easy to read displays, but the phone aesthetics are not up to par with the others. For daily use, the Cisco and Polycom buttons are smoothest. The Aastra is close, but not as comfortable to use. It seems that round buttons function better. The Grandstream buttons are just heavy and cumbersome. The Polycom is the biggest pain in the ass to initially configure because of the extended boot time. All other brands I've used boot within a minute and are ready to use. The Polycom takes around 4 and if you are using the web interface for initial configuration, you need to reboot frequently. Once you've worked out your configuration, new phone installs are pretty simple with any brand. The Aastra and Grandstream web interfaces are easy to use and you may make multiple changes and then reboot when you're done. The Cisco has no web interface. For routine provisioning, Cisco only supports tftp and telnet. The Polycom supports tftp, ftp, sftp, http and https. The Aastra supports tftp, ftp http. Placing a logo on the Cisco display is trivial. I have not been successful with any other brand so far. For PoE use, the Polycom and Aastra use 802.3af. Up to the 7970, Cisco used a proprietary PoE pin configuration and require a special cable to use with a standards compliant PoE switch. The cable is easy to make, but you have to ensure that users are aware of the difference. As for price, Drew is right about the high cost of Cisco. If I hadn't found one on eBay, my personal phone would likely be Aastra. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Drew Gibson wrote: We have Cisco, Aastra 480i and Grandstream GXP2000 phones in house. I only recommend the Cisco phones to people I don't like, overpriced and far too much work. The Aastra 480i is a good quality phone, on par with Cisco and probably with Polycom (though I've never used them). Voice quality is good, phone feels robust. Config is well documented and contained in two text files (one global, one MAC specific). Good web interface on the phone. Aastra support have been very responsive. Grandstream phones are lower quality but good value for money. Sound and feel of phones is not so good as Aastra or Cisco. Configuration is through a binary file, a bit fiddly, but quite manageable with a few scripts. Good web interface on the phone. Grandstream support have also been very responsive. Thanks for the comments. I think I might give one or two Aastra sets a try, just for tire-kicking. Cheers, -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
The Cisco phones are quite good. The thing that most people don't tend to appreciate about them is that they all are designed essentially for mass-provisioning in large environments, and to operate with Call Manager. Provisioning them using their GUI/configuration interface on a one-off basis is a pain in the butt, this is absolutely true. They were never really intended to be used in that manner. If you can take the time to do the TFTP thing, though, they really are very wonderful, featureful, reliable, comfortable, and, I would go so far as to say, turn-key. Just my $.02. No interest in religious debate. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
From overall apprecation feedback : #1 Polycom (Any) #2 Aastra 480i #3 Cisco 7940+ #4 Linksys SPA-94x On 4/11/07, Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge. Advice, anyone? -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Mike Sales Manager http://www.voicemeup.com Making it happen 1.877.807.VOIP (8647) 1.514.312.7030 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Drew Gibson wrote: The Aastra 480i is a good quality phone, on par with Cisco and probably with Polycom (though I've never used them). Voice quality is good, phone feels robust. Config is well documented and contained in two text files (one global, one MAC specific). Good web interface on the phone. Aastra support have been very responsive. I've programmed who knows how many phones so far, so let me focus on this year... Cisco ... Overrated. I have one on my desk right now specifically being used for me to test security on it (writing an exploit against it to be specific). I don't even bother using it... Aastra 480i's. I can take a picture of my desk for verification for those who'd want it of two I have sitting here collecting dust. They're horribly documented. Their web interface is full of errors (Username/CallerID/Auth) of which unless you're used to doing it you will have issues programming these. Polycoms... The bane of my existence. If you plan on doing NAT, passing through Netscreens, Sonicwalls, etc., and you don't mind miserably wasting time, then these are for you! If you're a glutton for XML nonsense, waiting 2 minutes for a reboot after EVERY SINGLE CHANGE. This phone is for you! If you don't mind explaining the Americans with Disabilities ACT and how Polycom is the only vendor resetting volumes then this is for you! And yes I am aware I could make that static via xml so please don't bother with a but you can fix that this way... response. Snom, although not the greatest, within the past year I've had to deal with well over I would guesstimate 200 or so. Easiest to deal with. Grandstream... Sorry, there is only so much garbage I'm willing to keep around my desk. GXP 2000? Fisher Price toy looking phone I wouldn't bother with. Robert Greene wrote: I have Cisco 7960G, Polycom SP 501, Aastra 480i, Grandstream GXP2000 and Budgetone 200 desk phones in my test lab. Overall, I like the Cisco best. I even bought one for home use. Configuration was no more difficult than any other. This is what is within two feet of me right now. 2 Cisco 7960's, 3 Polycruds, 2 Aasta 480i's, Welltech piece of garbage, 1 Snom 360, 2 320's, unlimited 190's. Guess which one I used on a daily basis... Snom 360. @Home ... http://www.infiltrated.net/Mar2520074.jpg I have about 3 7960's for my CCVP lab studies... I have a Hitachi WiFi and a Snom 320. Guess which I use most... Hitachi so I could walk around, followed by Snom. I don't even want to bother with the Cisco phones. The Cisco, Aastra and Polycom have similar voice quality. They're all very good handsets and speakerphones. The 480iCT is questionable. The base is alright, nothing to boast about, the handset... Depends on the environment. As for price, Drew is right about the high cost of Cisco. If I hadn't found one on eBay, my personal phone would likely be Aastra. I could care less about pricing. I'd be more concerned with quality and ease of use for both the admin, and the user. Cisco would rank low on my list, so here goes mine in order... 1) Snom 2) none! (they're all pretty much the same to me) 3) none! (they all have their pros and cons) 4) Cisco 5) ASStra 6) Polycrud -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
On 4/12/07, J. Oquendo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drew Gibson wrote: The Aastra 480i is a good quality phone, on par with Cisco and probably with Polycom (though I've never used them). Voice quality is good, phone feels robust. Config is well documented and contained in two text files (one global, one MAC specific). Good web interface on the phone. Aastra support have been very responsive. I've programmed who knows how many phones so far, so let me focus on this year... Cisco ... Overrated. I have one on my desk right now specifically being used for me to test security on it (writing an exploit against it to be specific). I don't even bother using it... Aastra 480i's. I can take a picture of my desk for verification for those who'd want it of two I have sitting here collecting dust. They're horribly documented. Their web interface is full of errors (Username/CallerID/Auth) of which unless you're used to doing it you will have issues programming these. Polycoms... The bane of my existence. If you plan on doing NAT, passing through Netscreens, Sonicwalls, etc., and you don't mind miserably wasting time, then these are for you! If you're a glutton for XML nonsense, waiting 2 minutes for a reboot after EVERY SINGLE CHANGE. This phone is for you! If you don't mind explaining the Americans with Disabilities ACT and how Polycom is the only vendor resetting volumes then this is for you! And yes I am aware I could make that static via xml so please don't bother with a but you can fix that this way... response. J, Sorry didn't see this email when I wrote the other one (gmail sorts them on a LIFO order). I can agree with you on everything even with the terrible pain of getting Polycoms up and running, but once it is up dont you have less problems with them then with other phones? Isn't the sound quality of the Polycoms better than any of the other phones? Snom, although not the greatest, within the past year I've had to deal with well over I would guesstimate 200 or so. Easiest to deal with. I did not have that good of an experience with Snoms. I guess I should try again, since it's well over 18 months since I tried last. Grandstream... Sorry, there is only so much garbage I'm willing to keep around my desk. GXP 2000? Fisher Price toy looking phone I wouldn't bother with. Couldn't agree more with you on this. Robert Greene wrote: I have Cisco 7960G, Polycom SP 501, Aastra 480i, Grandstream GXP2000 and Budgetone 200 desk phones in my test lab. Overall, I like the Cisco best. I even bought one for home use. Configuration was no more difficult than any other. This is what is within two feet of me right now. 2 Cisco 7960's, 3 Polycruds, 2 Aasta 480i's, Welltech piece of garbage, 1 Snom 360, 2 320's, unlimited 190's. Guess which one I used on a daily basis... Snom 360. @Home ... http://www.infiltrated.net/Mar2520074.jpg I have about 3 7960's for my CCVP lab studies... I have a Hitachi WiFi and a Snom 320. Guess which I use most... Hitachi so I could walk around, followed by Snom. I don't even want to bother with the Cisco phones. Awesome photo, arn't you having too much fun working? The Cisco, Aastra and Polycom have similar voice quality. They're all very good handsets and speakerphones. The 480iCT is questionable. The base is alright, nothing to boast about, the handset... Depends on the environment. As for price, Drew is right about the high cost of Cisco. If I hadn't found one on eBay, my personal phone would likely be Aastra. I could care less about pricing. I'd be more concerned with quality and ease of use for both the admin, and the user. Cisco would rank low on my list, so here goes mine in order... Again I think the Polycom once configure right is quite easy for both the admin and the user. 1) Snom 2) none! (they're all pretty much the same to me) 3) none! (they all have their pros and cons) 4) Cisco 5) ASStra 6) Polycrud -- J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x1383A743 sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
[asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge. Advice, anyone? -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Stephen Bosch wrote: I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge... ...because I like to stay dumb. Of course, that's not what I meant :) -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Which SIP phones to buy?
Hi Stephen, I'm using Grandstream and I think is a nice phone, but its the only one that I've tried. I bought it to learn voip/asterisk. Just my 2 cents. Good luck. Ronaldo. On 4/11/07, Stephen Bosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Bosch wrote: I need to buy some new phones for our own offices. I've used only Polycom phones until now, but I'd like to broaden my experience. I'm trying to decide which phones to experiment with. I have these options: - A combination of Polycom, Aastra and Snom - Just Polycom One the one hand, I'd like to keep things uniform, since it greatly simplifies provisioning. On the other hand, I don't want to broaden my knowledge... ...because I like to stay dumb. Of course, that's not what I meant :) -Stephen- ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
