Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-12 Thread Russell Bryant
BJ Weschke wrote:
 Jerry Geis wrote:

 Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a 
 64 bit 4200+ box
 would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
 a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a 
 message.
   
  I would have some serious reservations throwing this many clients into 
 an app_meetme room which is the foundation layer for the page 
 functionality.
 

Well, it may be ok, especially given that the 230 clients are all marked as
listen only.  There isn't any mixing going on at all.

However, there is almost certainly going to be some lag that you may not be
happy with.  What happens is that you are spawning 230 threads to make outbound
calls and connect them to MeetMe, all at the same time.  This process is far
from instantaneous.  :)

I would also be concerned about the effects that this spike in extra processing
would have on the quality of any existing calls on the system.

But, as with most things, the only way to know for sure is to do some testing.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-12 Thread Glenn Cobb
Is it absolutely necessary to have ALL 230 clients get the message at once?
Could a few clients in each area be paged to get the announcement to
everyone in that area? If these are all soft clients then maybe setting up a
recording and then paging groups and having the recording played to smaller
groups at one time? Just throwing a couple suggestions out...

Glenn

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BJ Weschke wrote:
 Jerry Geis wrote:

 Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients 
 and a
 64 bit 4200+ box
 would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them 
 into a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients 
 for a message.
   
  I would have some serious reservations throwing this many clients 
 into an app_meetme room which is the foundation layer for the page 
 functionality.
 

Well, it may be ok, especially given that the 230 clients are all marked as
listen only.  There isn't any mixing going on at all.

However, there is almost certainly going to be some lag that you may not be
happy with.  What happens is that you are spawning 230 threads to make
outbound calls and connect them to MeetMe, all at the same time.  This
process is far from instantaneous.  :)

I would also be concerned about the effects that this spike in extra
processing would have on the quality of any existing calls on the system.

But, as with most things, the only way to know for sure is to do some
testing.

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Senior Software Engineer
Open Source Team Lead
Digium, Inc.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-12 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
On Dec 12, 2007 9:41 AM, Russell Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 BJ Weschke wrote:
  Jerry Geis wrote:
 
  Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a
  64 bit 4200+ box
  would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
  a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a
  message.
 
   I would have some serious reservations throwing this many clients into
  an app_meetme room which is the foundation layer for the page
  functionality.
 

 Well, it may be ok, especially given that the 230 clients are all marked as
 listen only.  There isn't any mixing going on at all.

 However, there is almost certainly going to be some lag that you may not be
 happy with.  What happens is that you are spawning 230 threads to make 
 outbound
 calls and connect them to MeetMe, all at the same time.  This process is far
 from instantaneous.  :)

 I would also be concerned about the effects that this spike in extra 
 processing
 would have on the quality of any existing calls on the system.

 But, as with most things, the only way to know for sure is to do some testing.

 --
 Russell Bryant
 Senior Software Engineer
 Open Source Team Lead
 Digium, Inc.


Russell,

  What are your thoughts on SIP/RTP multicast, if any?

  It's been discussed before.  Seems like a great solution for paging
(f the phones support it).

  Anyone interested in a bounty?

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[asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-10 Thread Jerry Geis
Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a 
64 bit 4200+ box
would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a 
message.

Would this work?

Thanks,

Jerry

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-10 Thread BJ Weschke
Jerry Geis wrote:
 Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a 
 64 bit 4200+ box
 would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
 a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a 
 message.

 Would this work?

 Thanks,

 Jerry

   
 I would have some serious reservations throwing this many clients into 
an app_meetme room which is the foundation layer for the page 
functionality.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-10 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
On Dec 10, 2007 1:17 PM, Jerry Geis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a
 64 bit 4200+ box
 would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
 a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a
 message.

 Would this work?

 Thanks,

 Jerry


I would also be really concerned about the ability for the NIC to
serve up all of those RTP streams...

50pps x 230 = 11,500pps

It would be nice to have some support for RTP multicast or something.
Obviously this would require changes in Asterisk AND support in each
phone, but it would be really cool.  I think I've seen some
Linksys/Sipura devices support it.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-10 Thread dave cantera
speaking of multi-casting voice.  since it isn't likely to get the ip 
phones changed, could an app_multicast do the job?
has anyone thought of doing that?
daveC

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
 On Dec 10, 2007 1:17 PM, Jerry Geis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Using asterisk 1.4 with 100M or 1000M ethernet and 230 SIP clients and a
 64 bit 4200+ box
 would there be any noticable lag or delay to bring each one of them into
 a PAGE mode. so one speaker can talk out on all 230 SIP clients for a
 message.

 Would this work?

 Thanks,

 Jerry

 

 I would also be really concerned about the ability for the NIC to
 serve up all of those RTP streams...

 50pps x 230 = 11,500pps

 It would be nice to have some support for RTP multicast or something.
 Obviously this would require changes in Asterisk AND support in each
 phone, but it would be really cool.  I think I've seen some
 Linksys/Sipura devices support it.

   

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk 1.4 with around 230 SIP connections

2007-12-10 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
On Dec 11, 2007 12:19 AM, dave cantera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 speaking of multi-casting voice.  since it isn't likely to get the ip
 phones changed, could an app_multicast do the job?
 has anyone thought of doing that?
 daveC


Dave,

  That's just it - I think at least Snom and Linksys/Sipura phones
support RTP multicast.  Whether it's an app/res/channel/etc all we
need is RTP multicast support in Asterisk...

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