Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
I'd be interested in a possible mailing list for a United States Asterisk mailing list. We are in the very beginning stages of building a pilot system using Asterisk, but based on the information I've found on the internet so far, it looks very promising to scale the system to our needs. I'd be interested in know if anyone has successfully created a larger system (at least 1000 to 1500 lines), and with a redundancy built in. Thank you, Larry Gyrion Telecommunications Administrator Manchester College 604 East College Ave North Manchester, IN 46962 -Original Message- From: John Sellens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:48 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: http://lists.syonex.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-canada or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers! John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. -A. I'm a Canadian also, and I second that ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I disagree. I have joined the new list and feel that as long as it is focused on discussions like: - DIDs in Canada - VoIP taxes/regulation in Canada - * compatible hardware vendors in Canada then it should be a welcome addition to the * community. However, any general question should be directed to the -users list. -- Nabeel Jafferali Tel: +1 (416) 628-9342 Toronto +1 (646) 225-7426 New York FWD: 46990 Email/MSN: nabeelatjafferali.net ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
On January 17, 2005 10:26 am, Nabeel Jafferali wrote: I disagree. I have joined the new list and feel that as long as it is focused on discussions like: - DIDs in Canada That's a -biz question - VoIP taxes/regulation in Canada While not specifically -biz, all that can be said on that at this point is that it's a gray area and the discussions relating to that would be contained in fewer than a dozen threads anyway. - * compatible hardware vendors in Canada -biz again... I dunno, those three items and all the discussion that could possibly entail them are hardly worth putting a completely separate mailing list together for. then it should be a welcome addition to the * community. However, any general question should be directed to the -users list. Agreed -- I dunno until the Canuck discussions start overshadowing the -users traffic I think it's a poor idea to try and separate it out. Just my CAD$0.02 though. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Just my CAD$0.02 though. C'mon, at least throw in a loonie :P -- Nabeel Jafferali Tel: +1 (416) 628-9342 Toronto +1 (646) 225-7426 New York FWD: 46990 Email/MSN: nabeelatjafferali.net ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I don't think the idea is to be just for Canadians, but more as a forum for topics that relate to Asterisk in the Canadian environment. A very relevant example is the CRTCs deliberations on VoIP, which may have huge repercussions to Canadian Asterisk users, but is hardly relevant to the international version of the Asterisk-Users list. Bell and TELUS bashing might also be popular topics :-) I do agree that any subject that is not specific to the Canadian experience should remain in the international list. We are an international community; therein lies our power. Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. The way I see it, a Canadian mailing list will be no different than our country itself: visitors will always be welcome. -- Jim Van Meggelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Wouldn't be best to consolidate all these list. I've been on the list less than a week and already have too much to read. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:04 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. -A. I'm a Canadian also, and I second that ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Scratch this idea, I just rather have one list, and maybe a website to see all the list together where I can type in my question to find an answer quickly (sort of like Dell's support center) -Original Message- From: Gyrion, Larry M. Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 9:14 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? I'd be interested in a possible mailing list for a United States Asterisk mailing list. We are in the very beginning stages of building a pilot system using Asterisk, but based on the information I've found on the internet so far, it looks very promising to scale the system to our needs. I'd be interested in know if anyone has successfully created a larger system (at least 1000 to 1500 lines), and with a redundancy built in. Thank you, Larry Gyrion Telecommunications Administrator Manchester College 604 East College Ave North Manchester, IN 46962 -Original Message- From: John Sellens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:48 AM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: http://lists.syonex.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-canada or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers! John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
On January 17, 2005 11:42 am, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. I think that's more than relevant here. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
I believe the US and Canada use the same methods for voice services, maybe we could make it a North America list serv instead. Just some thoughts here -Original Message- From: Jim Van Meggelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:42 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I don't think the idea is to be just for Canadians, but more as a forum for topics that relate to Asterisk in the Canadian environment. A very relevant example is the CRTCs deliberations on VoIP, which may have huge repercussions to Canadian Asterisk users, but is hardly relevant to the international version of the Asterisk-Users list. Bell and TELUS bashing might also be popular topics :-) I do agree that any subject that is not specific to the Canadian experience should remain in the international list. We are an international community; therein lies our power. Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. The way I see it, a Canadian mailing list will be no different than our country itself: visitors will always be welcome. -- Jim Van Meggelen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Gyrion, Larry M. wrote: I believe the US and Canada use the same methods for voice services, maybe we could make it a North America list serv instead. Just some thoughts here I see the value of regional lists primarily as relates to non-technical items such as local service providers, regulatory issues, and so forth. For the technical stuff, I much prefer the single list. I don't mind at all reading about POTS lines in the UK, or the joys of ISDN in the EU. Maybe one day the sheer volume of messages will make that untenable, but for now I love the international flavour of the list. As VoIP becomes ubiquitous, the value of regional lists might be less and less relevant. Jim. -Original Message- From: Jim Van Meggelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:42 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I don't think the idea is to be just for Canadians, but more as a forum for topics that relate to Asterisk in the Canadian environment. A very relevant example is the CRTCs deliberations on VoIP, which may have huge repercussions to Canadian Asterisk users, but is hardly relevant to the international version of the Asterisk-Users list. Bell and TELUS bashing might also be popular topics :-) I do agree that any subject that is not specific to the Canadian experience should remain in the international list. We are an international community; therein lies our power. Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. The way I see it, a Canadian mailing list will be no different than our country itself: visitors will always be welcome. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 11:42 am, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. I think that's more than relevant here. Hmmm. I'd have a hard time appreciating regulatory challenges in regions that I don't have involvement with, so I assume that the reciprocal is generally true as well. Granted, I shouldn't presume that everyone thinks as I do, but people tend to have a limited interest in subjects that don't directly affect them. I figure technical discussions in Asterisk-Users are nearly always of some value, while regulatory peculiarities mostly are not. Having said all that, I want to stress that I do not feel that I am right and you are wrong. I not only respect your opinion, but am open to the possibility that you are correct in your assertion. For me, however, the separate list seems to have value. It is not because I want to start a Canadian Club(tm), but more that I would love to talk about certain subjects of interest to Canadian Asterisk users, and somehow feel that Asterisk-Users is not the right venue for it. It's not a matter of right or wrong; more like personal taste, really. Regards, Jim. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Here in Brazil we are creating our language email list. For us it will be great because we have a lot of different terms, technologies of US and Canada, even Europe. I think that for brazillians, the first place to solve a problem could be the brazillian list, after that a universal list(this asterisk-users list) could be the second choice. The local lists will be a good point to share local expiriences. I dont think that Canada and US have a huge difference of telecom standards like Brazil and US... Denis. Em Seg 17 Jan 2005 15:23, Jim Van Meggelen escreveu: Gyrion, Larry M. wrote: I believe the US and Canada use the same methods for voice services, maybe we could make it a North America list serv instead. Just some thoughts here I see the value of regional lists primarily as relates to non-technical items such as local service providers, regulatory issues, and so forth. For the technical stuff, I much prefer the single list. I don't mind at all reading about POTS lines in the UK, or the joys of ISDN in the EU. Maybe one day the sheer volume of messages will make that untenable, but for now I love the international flavour of the list. As VoIP becomes ubiquitous, the value of regional lists might be less and less relevant. Jim. -Original Message- From: Jim Van Meggelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:42 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I don't think the idea is to be just for Canadians, but more as a forum for topics that relate to Asterisk in the Canadian environment. A very relevant example is the CRTCs deliberations on VoIP, which may have huge repercussions to Canadian Asterisk users, but is hardly relevant to the international version of the Asterisk-Users list. Bell and TELUS bashing might also be popular topics :-) I do agree that any subject that is not specific to the Canadian experience should remain in the international list. We are an international community; therein lies our power. Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. The way I see it, a Canadian mailing list will be no different than our country itself: visitors will always be welcome. -- D e n i s G a l v ã o iSolve - Solve Is Our Business Av. Candido de Abreu, 526 1206B CEP: 80530-000 - Curitiba - PR +55 41 252-2977 http://www.isolve.com.br ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
I would love to hear of good and bad experiences with voip providers. This may have specific relevance to Canadians due to availability of DIDs and that the list may include lesser known voip providers than the big US ones. However, perhaps the wiki pages would be better logging for this type of info. Jim Van Meggelen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 11:42 am, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. I think that's more than relevant here. Hmmm. I'd have a hard time appreciating regulatory challenges in regions that I don't have involvement with, so I assume that the reciprocal is generally true as well. Granted, I shouldn't presume that everyone thinks as I do, but people tend to have a limited interest in subjects that don't directly affect them. I figure technical discussions in Asterisk-Users are nearly always of some value, while regulatory peculiarities mostly are not. Having said all that, I want to stress that I do not feel that I am right and you are wrong. I not only respect your opinion, but am open to the possibility that you are correct in your assertion. For me, however, the separate list seems to have value. It is not because I want to start a Canadian Club(tm), but more that I would love to talk about certain subjects of interest to Canadian Asterisk users, and somehow feel that Asterisk-Users is not the right venue for it. It's not a matter of right or wrong; more like personal taste, really. Regards, Jim. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
On January 17, 2005 01:57 pm, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: I'd have a hard time appreciating regulatory challenges in regions that I don't have involvement with, so I assume that the reciprocal is generally true as well. Granted, I shouldn't presume that everyone thinks as I do, but people tend to have a limited interest in subjects that don't directly affect them. I figure technical discussions in Asterisk-Users are nearly always of some value, while regulatory peculiarities mostly are not. I agree with you on this, but then again I put up with so much on the -users list that I really don't care to listen to, especially the same tired discussions over and over, that I figure some regulatory babble might be a welcome change. That and for the half dozen or so Canuck-only threads I can think of off the top of my head it's hardly worth putting together an entire mailing list. Having said all that, I want to stress that I do not feel that I am right and you are wrong. I not only respect your opinion, but am open to the possibility that you are correct in your assertion. hahaha don't worry I've got a pretty thick skin and actually enjoy being proven wrong... makes me a better person. For me, however, the separate list seems to have value. It is not because I want to start a Canadian Club(tm), but more that I would love to talk about certain subjects of interest to Canadian Asterisk users, and somehow feel that Asterisk-Users is not the right venue for it. Well as I said there's so much fluff in -users already that until we really become a nuisance I don't see the harm in it at all. Half of the stuff belongs on -biz anyway and a full third of the remaining in asterisk-newbies-who-refuse-to-research-before-posting... a dozen or so threads of stuff that makes no sense to anyone outside of Canada wouldn't even register as a blip on the screen. Besides my personal bet is that the CRTC is going to just mimic what the FCC does anyway (c.f. UL vs CSA, wireless regulations, etc., etc.) that it would be great to see what the various big boys stateside have to say and how they interpret what's going on with the FCC and VOIP regulation. It's not a matter of right or wrong; more like personal taste, really. Agreed. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
Very true. -Original Message- From: Denis Galvão - iSolve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:08 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? Here in Brazil we are creating our language email list. For us it will be great because we have a lot of different terms, technologies of US and Canada, even Europe. I think that for brazillians, the first place to solve a problem could be the brazillian list, after that a universal list(this asterisk-users list) could be the second choice. The local lists will be a good point to share local expiriences. I dont think that Canada and US have a huge difference of telecom standards like Brazil and US... Denis. Em Seg 17 Jan 2005 15:23, Jim Van Meggelen escreveu: Gyrion, Larry M. wrote: I believe the US and Canada use the same methods for voice services, maybe we could make it a North America list serv instead. Just some thoughts here I see the value of regional lists primarily as relates to non-technical items such as local service providers, regulatory issues, and so forth. For the technical stuff, I much prefer the single list. I don't mind at all reading about POTS lines in the UK, or the joys of ISDN in the EU. Maybe one day the sheer volume of messages will make that untenable, but for now I love the international flavour of the list. As VoIP becomes ubiquitous, the value of regional lists might be less and less relevant. Jim. -Original Message- From: Jim Van Meggelen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:42 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:47 am, John Sellens wrote: Just on the off chance that Canadian Asterisk users might be interested in a place to discuss topics specific to the great white north (sources, services, telcos, etc.), I created the asterisk-canada mailing list: I know as a Canadian I'm not interested in a list Just for Canadians -- It's just fragmenting the help available for very little benefit. I do, however, appreciate the thought. I don't think the idea is to be just for Canadians, but more as a forum for topics that relate to Asterisk in the Canadian environment. A very relevant example is the CRTCs deliberations on VoIP, which may have huge repercussions to Canadian Asterisk users, but is hardly relevant to the international version of the Asterisk-Users list. Bell and TELUS bashing might also be popular topics :-) I do agree that any subject that is not specific to the Canadian experience should remain in the international list. We are an international community; therein lies our power. Anyhow, I signed up, and am planning to start a thread about the CRTC VoIP deliberations (and the generous act performed there by Jeff Pulver), something I wouldn't feel was appropriate on Asterisk-Users. Time will tell how many topics there are to discuss. The way I see it, a Canadian mailing list will be no different than our country itself: visitors will always be welcome. -- D e n i s G a l v ã o iSolve - Solve Is Our Business Av. Candido de Abreu, 526 1206B CEP: 80530-000 - Curitiba - PR +55 41 252-2977 http://www.isolve.com.br ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 01:57 pm, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: I'd have a hard time appreciating regulatory challenges in regions that I don't have involvement with, so I assume that the reciprocal is generally true as well. Granted, I shouldn't presume that everyone thinks as I do, but people tend to have a limited interest in subjects that don't directly affect them. I figure technical discussions in Asterisk-Users are nearly always of some value, while regulatory peculiarities mostly are not. I agree with you on this, but then again I put up with so much on the -users list that I really don't care to listen to, especially the same tired discussions over and over, that I figure some regulatory babble might be a welcome change. LOL. I hadn't thought of it that way. Little vignettes amidst the commercials? That and for the half dozen or so Canuck-only threads I can think of off the top of my head it's hardly worth putting together an entire mailing list. Just because the volume isn't there? That might be a good thing, ya know - have a list with, say, one or two messages a day, on average. Having said all that, I want to stress that I do not feel that I am right and you are wrong. I not only respect your opinion, but am open to the possibility that you are correct in your assertion. hahaha don't worry I've got a pretty thick skin and actually enjoy being proven wrong... makes me a better person. It was a policy at our company that any new product implementation would always require Technical Support be involved until several engineers, technicians and installers were comfortable with it. I hope I always remember the lessons learned from getting new products, and having to develop training and implementation practices. I'd figure I was an expert on the ones that went smoothly, but then six months later if someone would call me with problems, I'd discover that I didn't know a thing. As for the ones that gave nothing but trouble, I'd fear them, assuming I didn't know what I was doing, until it became clear that more often than not, I knew more about them than the manufacturer did. The fewer the troubles, the less knowledge retained; the more painful the task, the more god-like skills were obtained. It took me many years to figure this out - I used to think it should be the other way around. Seems that making mistakes is actually a fantastic (albeit uncomfortable) way to learn. I sometimes wonder if I unconsciously muck things up at first as a rite of passage. Nobody knows a thing so well as those who can expertly break it. For me, however, the separate list seems to have value. It is not because I want to start a Canadian Club(tm), but more that I would love to talk about certain subjects of interest to Canadian Asterisk users, and somehow feel that Asterisk-Users is not the right venue for it. Well as I said there's so much fluff in -users already that until we really become a nuisance I don't see the harm in it at all. Half of the stuff belongs on -biz anyway and a full third of the remaining in asterisk-newbies-who-refuse-to-research-before-posting... a dozen or so threads of stuff that makes no sense to anyone outside of Canada wouldn't even register as a blip on the screen. You're probably right. Would it be considered trolling to start a thread on Cleaning Maple Syrup off of Dial Pads, or Wiring your Moose for Wi-Fi? Besides my personal bet is that the CRTC is going to just mimic what the FCC does anyway (c.f. UL vs CSA, wireless regulations, etc., etc.) that it would be great to see what the various big boys stateside have to say and how they interpret what's going on with the FCC and VOIP regulation. It's not a matter of right or wrong; more like personal taste, really. Agreed. Does that mean I'm right and you're wrong? ;-P -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
On January 17, 2005 04:47 pm, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: LOL. I hadn't thought of it that way. Little vignettes amidst the commercials? Exactly -- It's precisely why I hang around on linux-elitists and a couple other oddball lists... a good 90% of what's there is crap but man when something good comes by... wowza. Just because the volume isn't there? That might be a good thing, ya know - have a list with, say, one or two messages a day, on average. True, but that's why I like looking at sineapps now and again -- they sometimes focus on things that I've not even seen, it's interesting reading... but I slug it out on the list well, just to slug it out. :-) It was a policy at our company that any new product implementation would always require Technical Support be involved until several engineers, technicians and installers were comfortable with it. I hope I always remember the lessons learned from getting new products, and having to develop training and implementation practices. ... Seems that making mistakes is actually a fantastic (albeit uncomfortable) way to learn. I sometimes wonder if I unconsciously muck things up at first as a rite of passage. We have a similar policy here and it really helps people understand why things are done a certain way when they have to field some of the customer calls themselves. right and wrong take on new nuances that they would have otherwise been oblivious and even belligerent towards. Nobody knows a thing so well as those who can expertly break it. That sounds very close to As soon as you make something idiot-proof along comes a better class of idiot. :-) Would it be considered trolling to start a thread on Cleaning Maple Syrup off of Dial Pads, or Wiring your Moose for Wi-Fi? Let's not forget the weekly tooques and telephony segment, and a review of the best block heaters for your wi-fi fones. Does that mean I'm right and you're wrong? Yes... oh, wait... Aughhh! -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
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I would be interested in this list as well. I have an positive experience how to get License Class A from CRTC. As well as I am interested to talk about LNP portability. All the Best! Sergey. Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On January 17, 2005 04:47 pm, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: LOL. I hadn't thought of it that way. Little vignettes amidst the commercials? Exactly -- It's precisely why I hang around on linux-elitists and a couple other oddball lists... a good 90% of what's there is crap but man when something good comes by... wowza. Just because the volume isn't there? That might be a good thing, ya know - have a list with, say, one or two messages a day, on average. True, but that's why I like looking at sineapps now and again -- they sometimes focus on things that I've not even seen, it's interesting reading... but I slug it out on the list well, just to slug it out. :-) It was a policy at our company that any new product implementation would always require Technical Support be involved until several engineers, technicians and installers were comfortable with it. I hope I always remember the lessons learned from getting new products, and having to develop training and implementation practices. ... Seems that making mistakes is actually a fantastic (albeit uncomfortable) way to learn. I sometimes wonder if I unconsciously muck things up at first as a rite of passage. We have a similar policy here and it really helps people understand why things are done a certain way when they have to field some of the customer calls themselves. "right" and "wrong" take on new nuances that they would have otherwise been oblivious and even belligerent towards. Nobody knows a thing so well as those who can expertly break it. That sounds very close to "As soon as you make something idiot-proof along comes a better class of idiot." :-) Would it be considered trolling to start a thread on Cleaning Maple Syrup off of Dial Pads, or Wiring your Moose for Wi-Fi? Let's not forget the weekly "tooques and telephony" segment, and a review of the best block heaters for your wi-fi fones. Does that mean I'm right and you're wrong? Yes... oh, wait... Aughhh! -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Any interest in a Canadian Asterisk mailing list?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On January 17, 2005 04:47 pm, Jim Van Meggelen wrote: LOL. I hadn't thought of it that way. Little vignettes amidst the commercials? Exactly -- It's precisely why I hang around on linux-elitists and a couple other oddball lists... a good 90% of what's there is crap but man when something good comes by... wowza. It sure can be time consuming trying to keep up, though. Just because the volume isn't there? That might be a good thing, ya know - have a list with, say, one or two messages a day, on average. True, but that's why I like looking at sineapps now and again -- they sometimes focus on things that I've not even seen, it's interesting reading... but I slug it out on the list well, just to slug it out. :-) I think we are all a bit masochistic on this list . . . all 10,000 plus of us . . . It was a policy at our company that any new product implementation would always require Technical Support be involved until several engineers, technicians and installers were comfortable with it. I hope I always remember the lessons learned from getting new products, and having to develop training and implementation practices. ... Seems that making mistakes is actually a fantastic (albeit uncomfortable) way to learn. I sometimes wonder if I unconsciously muck things up at first as a rite of passage. We have a similar policy here and it really helps people understand why things are done a certain way when they have to field some of the customer calls themselves. right and wrong take on new nuances that they would have otherwise been oblivious and even belligerent towards. Nobody knows a thing so well as those who can expertly break it. That sounds very close to As soon as you make something idiot-proof along comes a better class of idiot. :-) One of my favorites is (to paraphase Douglas Adams): It's easy to be blinded to the essential uselessness of these things by the sense of satisfaction you get from making them work at all Would it be considered trolling to start a thread on Cleaning Maple Syrup off of Dial Pads, or Wiring your Moose for Wi-Fi? Let's not forget the weekly tooques and telephony segment, and a review of the best block heaters for your wi-fi fones. Snoms and Snowmobiles? Ice Phishing? Tim Hortel? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/2005 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
