Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on Cygwin?
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 11:47, jltaylor wrote: > Thanks for your enthuastic response. > > There's this Linux project out there for 802.11 at: > www.station-server.com > They have figured out how to make this type of distribution package > work. And there is nothing stopping you from getting a knoppix CD started that will do the same sort of thing. > Don't get me wrong, Asterisk seems to have just about everything from > a feature standpoint. The open source concept is one that I support. > We run FreeBSD for routers and I love it. > > You are absolutely correct about the need to learn about Linux > distributions and installers. Most people don't and some find it too > difficult (I suppose that they are the ones who should stick to > Windows?). I tried my best to not include the windows comments in my post. It wasn't a route I wanted to go in this argument. But since we are here anyways, I'm concerned that if it becomes too easy to have a system connected to the PSTN and the net that we will see people looking this way for exploits. The difficulty here is that they don't have to exploit asterisk to get in and set up new accounts and then use asterisk to route them to the PSTN. The current level of knowledge required to get started should help weed out the people who helped NIMDA and CODE_RED along. We all know they exist no matter what OS they use. > Hardware costs? I guess these guys that have a hardware cost problem > have never priced a Dialogic 240xx/T1 or the quad card. Used single T1 > Dialogic cards are $1100. > > *** The digium hardware offerings are the best price that I've seen > for any solution. *** And that is the very reason why my company and myself personally have bought hardware from Digium. We currently have 4 machines with 320 cards that seem to go for over $1500 used, and it is only 16 analog FXO ports. > -- Original Message -- > From: Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 16 Jul 2003 09:14:06 -0500 > > >On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 09:10, jltaylor wrote: > >> Is the hassle in running it or setting it up? > >> > >> This gets back to my interest in a CD to boot and install a "basic" system on a > >> hard drive. > >> > >> Something like a 2 line 4 station version and then a single T1, 4 station, 2 line. > >> > >> This is why there is a users list and a developers list. > >> As a user, I just want a CD with typical config ready to go. > >> As a developer, I want to play with and tweak everything, including the OS. > > > >But there is _NO_ typical config. This is enough of a problem. Plus > >there is no need to host an ISO of the OS and cost digium money in > >bandwidth that other people are more than willing to do. The maintaining > >of a OS ISO is immense and best left to other projects. In fact the only > >thing really needed is for someone to set up a nightly build and package > >of asterisk into the couple of different package formats and make it > >available to the world. > > > >> Others are asking for a GUI or web interface. There's a place for all of this. > >> > >> Look at what's involved in getting started: > >> You either have to download 600+MB Linux, install, compile, etc. Or > >> run out and buy a Linux version and install, compile, etc. Now for > >> most of us this is not a big problem. But, just look at the time > >> envolved in setting up a couple of 266mz boxes to play and test with. > > > >See you need to learn about other distros and installers. I know that > >Mandrake and RH offer network installs, and debian shouldn't be > >installed any other way. I'm only commenting on debians network install > >because I know it, but you only download 28 megs of files and then only > >what you are going to install after that. Total download for an asterisk > >machine should be under 150 megs. > > > >> Put an ISO on the site and watch hardware sales fly... > > > >Do you think the ISO will change all these VoIP only users into hardware > >users? If you listen to the comments from them, it is a cost issue > >mostly on the hardware, not the software. No amount of software bundling > >is going to change the budget of a user. > > > >> And then watch the "consultants" market grow. There will be posts > >> like: "...well I bought the hardware, installed, it works but I need > >> xxxyyy, can any one log into my system and program this thing?..." > > > >I doubt this. The consultants market will be more of the kind like VCCH > >is doing which is going out to a site and saying, "We can provide you > >this, that, and these other things all for a price under that quote you > >have in your hands now." The difference here is that most users that > >already found their way here and went ahead with a purchase of hardware > >will either already know how to do it themselves, or are patient enough > >to wait till that feature comes forward. Those who need consultants > >usually will not be the ones we see. >
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on Cygwin?
Thanks for your enthuastic response. There's this Linux project out there for 802.11 at: www.station-server.com They have figured out how to make this type of distribution package work. Don't get me wrong, Asterisk seems to have just about everything from a feature standpoint. The open source concept is one that I support. We run FreeBSD for routers and I love it. You are absolutely correct about the need to learn about Linux distributions and installers. Most people don't and some find it too difficult (I suppose that they are the ones who should stick to Windows?). Hardware costs? I guess these guys that have a hardware cost problem have never priced a Dialogic 240xx/T1 or the quad card. Used single T1 Dialogic cards are $1100. *** The digium hardware offerings are the best price that I've seen for any solution. *** -- Original Message -- From: Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 16 Jul 2003 09:14:06 -0500 >On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 09:10, jltaylor wrote: >> Is the hassle in running it or setting it up? >> >> This gets back to my interest in a CD to boot and install a "basic" system on a >> hard drive. >> >> Something like a 2 line 4 station version and then a single T1, 4 station, 2 line. >> >> This is why there is a users list and a developers list. >> As a user, I just want a CD with typical config ready to go. >> As a developer, I want to play with and tweak everything, including the OS. > >But there is _NO_ typical config. This is enough of a problem. Plus >there is no need to host an ISO of the OS and cost digium money in >bandwidth that other people are more than willing to do. The maintaining >of a OS ISO is immense and best left to other projects. In fact the only >thing really needed is for someone to set up a nightly build and package >of asterisk into the couple of different package formats and make it >available to the world. > >> Others are asking for a GUI or web interface. There's a place for all of this. >> >> Look at what's involved in getting started: >> You either have to download 600+MB Linux, install, compile, etc. Or >> run out and buy a Linux version and install, compile, etc. Now for >> most of us this is not a big problem. But, just look at the time >> envolved in setting up a couple of 266mz boxes to play and test with. > >See you need to learn about other distros and installers. I know that >Mandrake and RH offer network installs, and debian shouldn't be >installed any other way. I'm only commenting on debians network install >because I know it, but you only download 28 megs of files and then only >what you are going to install after that. Total download for an asterisk >machine should be under 150 megs. > >> Put an ISO on the site and watch hardware sales fly... > >Do you think the ISO will change all these VoIP only users into hardware >users? If you listen to the comments from them, it is a cost issue >mostly on the hardware, not the software. No amount of software bundling >is going to change the budget of a user. > >> And then watch the "consultants" market grow. There will be posts >> like: "...well I bought the hardware, installed, it works but I need >> xxxyyy, can any one log into my system and program this thing?..." > >I doubt this. The consultants market will be more of the kind like VCCH >is doing which is going out to a site and saying, "We can provide you >this, that, and these other things all for a price under that quote you >have in your hands now." The difference here is that most users that >already found their way here and went ahead with a purchase of hardware >will either already know how to do it themselves, or are patient enough >to wait till that feature comes forward. Those who need consultants >usually will not be the ones we see. > >-- >Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >___ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on Cygwin?
On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 09:10, jltaylor wrote: > Is the hassle in running it or setting it up? > > This gets back to my interest in a CD to boot and install a "basic" system on a hard > drive. > > Something like a 2 line 4 station version and then a single T1, 4 station, 2 line. > > This is why there is a users list and a developers list. > As a user, I just want a CD with typical config ready to go. > As a developer, I want to play with and tweak everything, including the OS. But there is _NO_ typical config. This is enough of a problem. Plus there is no need to host an ISO of the OS and cost digium money in bandwidth that other people are more than willing to do. The maintaining of a OS ISO is immense and best left to other projects. In fact the only thing really needed is for someone to set up a nightly build and package of asterisk into the couple of different package formats and make it available to the world. > Others are asking for a GUI or web interface. There's a place for all of this. > > Look at what's involved in getting started: > You either have to download 600+MB Linux, install, compile, etc. Or > run out and buy a Linux version and install, compile, etc. Now for > most of us this is not a big problem. But, just look at the time > envolved in setting up a couple of 266mz boxes to play and test with. See you need to learn about other distros and installers. I know that Mandrake and RH offer network installs, and debian shouldn't be installed any other way. I'm only commenting on debians network install because I know it, but you only download 28 megs of files and then only what you are going to install after that. Total download for an asterisk machine should be under 150 megs. > Put an ISO on the site and watch hardware sales fly... Do you think the ISO will change all these VoIP only users into hardware users? If you listen to the comments from them, it is a cost issue mostly on the hardware, not the software. No amount of software bundling is going to change the budget of a user. > And then watch the "consultants" market grow. There will be posts > like: "...well I bought the hardware, installed, it works but I need > xxxyyy, can any one log into my system and program this thing?..." I doubt this. The consultants market will be more of the kind like VCCH is doing which is going out to a site and saying, "We can provide you this, that, and these other things all for a price under that quote you have in your hands now." The difference here is that most users that already found their way here and went ahead with a purchase of hardware will either already know how to do it themselves, or are patient enough to wait till that feature comes forward. Those who need consultants usually will not be the ones we see. -- Steven Critchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on Cygwin?
Is the hassle in running it or setting it up? This gets back to my interest in a CD to boot and install a "basic" system on a hard drive. Something like a 2 line 4 station version and then a single T1, 4 station, 2 line. This is why there is a users list and a developers list. As a user, I just want a CD with typical config ready to go. As a developer, I want to play with and tweak everything, including the OS. Others are asking for a GUI or web interface. There's a place for all of this. Look at what's involved in getting started: You either have to download 600+MB Linux, install, compile, etc. Or run out and buy a Linux version and install, compile, etc. Now for most of us this is not a big problem. But, just look at the time envolved in setting up a couple of 266mz boxes to play and test with. Put an ISO on the site and watch hardware sales fly... And then watch the "consultants" market grow. There will be posts like: "...well I bought the hardware, installed, it works but I need xxxyyy, can any one log into my system and program this thing?..." James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Earle \(CBL\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:23:12 -0400 >Hey all, > >quick question: does asterisk work okay in a Cygwin environment? > >I want to install it on my cygwin setup for local testing/demoing and save >me the hassle of using a pure linux machine > >As long as it doesn't take a huge huge performance hit from running out of >Cygwin, then I'll have a go there for a start > >confirmation appreciated! >thanks > > > >-- >C h r i sE a r l e >System Solutions Specialist > > >___ >Asterisk-Users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- James Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 903-793-1953 -- ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk on Cygwin?
> Hey all, > > quick question: does asterisk work okay in a Cygwin environment? > > I want to install it on my cygwin setup for local testing/demoing and save > me the hassle of using a pure linux machine I had suggested to the fellow asking about running Asterisk in VMWare (It won't work BTW) that cygwin or mingw compilation might be possible and , in fact, feasible to use for a small IP-only setup. > As long as it doesn't take a huge huge performance hit from running out of > Cygwin, then I'll have a go there for a start First, you won't have zaptel timings from hardware on windows, so things like musiconhold and meetme will be out of the question. I suppose you could write something similar to zaprtc for windows if you really felt like squeezing your brain out your ears. Cygwin itself won't be the problem speed wise, as it is essentially providing native calls directly to the application, but I would suggest a couple things: 1) Find a way to set the thread priority for the asterisk processes high. I believe that you will probably have to write some code specific to Cygwin to do this. Normal priority execution on Win32 will probably not be good enough even for the transcoders and whatnot to get packets in and out in a timely fashon. 2) Please share any experiences you have with this project. I never intend to run asterisk on Win32 personally, but have been interested in seeing if it's possible for fun/hack value. John ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
