Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 12:03:42AM -0500, Kristian Kielhofner wrote: trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:04 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: OT: Not a Knoppix, actually. You can't do anything useful with it without a HD install. A while ago I needed badly to test a certain system with Asterisk without installing it and was amazed to see the little existing support LiveCDs had of Asterisk. I ended up using AsteriskLive 0.1.6, even though it was rather old. If you wanted a knoppix install there is knopsterix, which can save your config without overwriting your whole drive without prompting you to save a partition or two. However they were not avilable for download, so I never bothered. I should be releasing a much improved Live version of AstLinux within a week or so. A test version was announced on my mailing list a while ago, with pretty good results so far. It will be AstLinux 0.2.8, and available as an ISO (as well as the Windows install package, disk images, etc.) I'll let everyone here know when it's released. This was actually the ifrst one I tried. I tried astlinux 0.2.6 as well, however as a live CD it wasn't useful, because I could not write any modified configuration on the live /etc . Thus I could not run asterisk with the modified configuration without a proper installation. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: I should be releasing a much improved Live version of AstLinux within a week or so. A test version was announced on my mailing list a while ago, with pretty good results so far. It will be AstLinux 0.2.8, and available as an ISO (as well as the Windows install package, disk images, etc.) I'll let everyone here know when it's released. This was actually the ifrst one I tried. I tried astlinux 0.2.6 as well, however as a live CD it wasn't useful, because I could not write any modified configuration on the live /etc . Thus I could not run asterisk with the modified configuration without a proper installation. Not quite... By default, AstLinux (and the live cd) will copy a default Asterisk configuration to a tmpfs filesystem where you can edit it, you just can't save it anywhere (persistent across reboot) unless you use a key disk. /etc/asterisk is in fact just a link to /tmp/etc/asterisk. Did you actually try to write a file in /etc/asterisk, or did you see that / was read-only and give up? Did you read the user guide? However, the main changes with the 0.2.7 and later ISO image are that the CD device is auto detected and the entire contents of the CD are copied to RAM so that the configuration files can be edited and the CD can be removed, that should make it more of a familiar live cd environment. -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 02:40:40AM -0500, Kristian Kielhofner wrote: I tried astlinux 0.2.6 as well, however as a live CD it wasn't useful, because I could not write any modified configuration on the live /etc . Thus I could not run asterisk with the modified configuration without a proper installation. Not quite... By default, AstLinux (and the live cd) will copy a default Asterisk configuration to a tmpfs filesystem where you can edit it, you just can't save it anywhere (persistent across reboot) unless you use a key disk. /etc/asterisk is in fact just a link to /tmp/etc/asterisk. Did you actually try to write a file in /etc/asterisk, or did you see that / was read-only and give up? Did you read the user guide? Hmm, I remember I did. But it was a while ago... However, the main changes with the 0.2.7 and later ISO image are that the CD device is auto detected and the entire contents of the CD are copied to RAM so that the configuration files can be edited and the CD can be removed, that should make it more of a familiar live cd environment. That's even better. I'll try it next time. Thanks -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My 2c worth... For the beginner, AAH is great. The PC that you install on will be totally reformatted / fdisk-ed (assuming single drive - etc). With AAH 1.3 - the installation goes to sleep and sort of finishes when its Syncing with a Time Server. A reboot at this point seems to do no harm. As Asterisk is configured via AMP - you are limited in functionality as to what AMP can do for you - but one can edit the config files directly as well for custom configs. (I needed to program an incoming (Fax) zap line to go to one particular extension) As it starts - there are a number of dialplan features which are quite cool, eg Time, Weather, Wakeup-Call, You extension is.., VoiceMail, IVR, Do-Not-Disturb, FAX handling. Sure - these are all things Asterisk can do, but with the default asterisk download, you start with a pretty clean slate... My current AAH limitations include:- a) In IVR, no ability to program or hold for an operator timeout for the DTMF challenged. b) Support for junghanns cards (or HFC cards) c) Multi-Company support - Default is one primary IVR Just did an install with many extensions 16 lines (4 x TDM400P) - 2 to Fixed line Cells, 14 to Telco (no services except DTMF dialing - its in East Africa). -- . . ___. .__ Posix Systems - Sth Africa. e.164 VOIP ready /| /| / /__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mark J Elkins, Cisco CCIE / |/ |ARK \_/ /__ LKINS Tel: +27 12 807 0590 Cell: +27 82 601 0496 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my $0.02... I have implemented [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.9 ina Real Estate/Legal office with 6 phones and 3 incoming lines using TDM04B card and Polycom/Sipura phones. I am about to implement 3 more systems ([EMAIL PROTECTED] 1.3) for a construction company.One will be 6 phones and 4 PSTN lines using SPA-3000 ATA's. The second will be 2x TDM04B connecting to 6 lines to start with10 Polycom IP-501 phones. The third system has not yet been designed. but will be 4 lines and 6 - 7 phones. The Real Estate system is running [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.9 and has been running for 59 days since the last reboot, which I did when I added the Polycom phones. This is a fairly light-use system averaging about 1700 minutes/mo in usage. It is setup to have an Auto-Attendant when no one is present and to have the phones answered live when the receptionist is at her desk. I setup a "* + number" code for the receptionist to dial to toggle the Auto-attendant. As of yet I have not run into any problems running the one system in production, and we are confident in the other 3 systems that are about to be implemented. The systems that will be implemented soon will have pretty high call volume, as these are for a construction job trailers on pretty large scale projects. I started off by exploring Asterisk and actually built a couple of test systems without using [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I was able to figure out the configurations and actually had no problems setting up thetest systems (for me it was pretty simple even though I had never touched linux before). I created a set of config files that I was going to copy from server to server to aid the implementation, and I was ready to build the server for the Real Estate office... Then, I ran across [EMAIL PROTECTED] and after playing with it a little bit determined that it provided a quicker setup process and provided all the features that we would need. Clearly, there are some things that are easier to do without [EMAIL PROTECTED] due to the limitations provided by AMP... but I have found that for these small office implementations, this has not been an issue. Hope this helps. Jeff Busch [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael FelderSent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 8:17 PMTo: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial DiscussionSubject: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello What is the difference between these 2 version of Asterisk in terms of functionality. For a small office am I going to run into problems if I use the easy version... Mike ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess I was wondering if it was crippled in some way. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Latham Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 1:18 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED] That question could start a battle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bootable Asterisk system. Think of it as the Knoppix of the Linux distro world. It could work but that is for you to decide. On 7/17/05, Michael Felder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is the difference between these 2 version of Asterisk in terms of functionality. For a small office am I going to run into problems if I use the easy version... Mike ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- sig Andrew Latham - AKA: LATHAMA (lay-th-ham-eh) WWW: http://lathama.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any of the above are down we have bigger problems than my email! /sig ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not in any way that you would be worried about for at least a while. It does restrict what you can customize but by the time you get to that stage (I still haven't - you can install your own version) Cheers, Dean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Felder Sent: Sunday, 17 July 2005 11:33 PM To: Andrew Latham; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I was wondering if it was crippled in some way. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Latham Sent: Monday, 18 July 2005 1:18 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED] That question could start a battle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bootable Asterisk system. Think of it as the Knoppix of the Linux distro world. It could work but that is for you to decide. On 7/17/05, Michael Felder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello What is the difference between these 2 version of Asterisk in terms of functionality. For a small office am I going to run into problems if I use the easy version... Mike ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- sig Andrew Latham - AKA: LATHAMA (lay-th-ham-eh) WWW: http://lathama.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any of the above are down we have bigger problems than my email! /sig ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think that AAH would suit you fine for a small business application. It is not crippled in any way. Far from it in fact. It has more features installed as default than the latest CVS version. It is however based on the latest official release of the Asterisk code (whatever that is at the time you download the disk) and so may not have some of the latest bug fixes etc. Go for it! I've install a few for my customers and they love it. Mark Michael Felder wrote: Hello What is the difference between these 2 version of Asterisk in terms of functionality. For a small office am I going to run into problems if I use the easy version... Mike ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- Mark, G7LTT/KC2ENI Randolph, NJ http://www.g7ltt.com ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Felder wrote: Hello What is the difference between these 2 version of Asterisk in terms of functionality. For a small office am I going to run into problems if I use the easy version... Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a Linux distribution that makes it easy to install Asterisk and a few other Asterisk related applications (like AMP). Asterisk is the main application that makes [EMAIL PROTECTED] different from the CentOS distro (which is what it is based off of). Your question is a little like what is the difference between Apache and Fedora (Fedora usually includes Apache on server installs). That being said, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is crippled, but only because by default is uses AMP, which somewhat limits what you can change via it's interface. -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Phillips wrote: I think that AAH would suit you fine for a small business application. It is not crippled in any way. Far from it in fact. It has more features installed as default than the latest CVS version. Not to sound rude, but that doesn't make any sense. Or I'm reading it wrong :). [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a distro that by default includes a release version of Asterisk STABLE. First of all, you can't even directly compare the two (Asterisk vs. [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Would you compare an engine by itself to an entire car? No, you wouldn't. Don't do it here, either. Secondly, unless they are doing some mad branching and patching, there is NO WAY that the version of stable that they include has more Asterisk features than CVS HEAD. They include some applications that help enable some Asterisk features (mysql, mpg123, etc), but there is no reason that you can't get all of that with another distro (albeit not as easily) and Asterisk stable, or even more Asterisk features with all of those applications and CVS HEAD. It is however based on the latest official release of the Asterisk code (whatever that is at the time you download the disk) and so may not have some of the latest bug fixes etc. Go for it! I've install a few for my customers and they love it. Great! Use what works! Mark -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:18:26PM -0500, Andrew Latham wrote: That question could start a battle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bootable Asterisk system. Think of it as the Knoppix of the Linux distro world. It could work but that is for you to decide. OT: Not a Knoppix, actually. You can't do anything useful with it without a HD install. A while ago I needed badly to test a certain system with Asterisk without installing it and was amazed to see the little existing support LiveCDs had of Asterisk. I ended up using AsteriskLive 0.1.6, even though it was rather old. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:04 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:18:26PM -0500, Andrew Latham wrote: That question could start a battle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bootable Asterisk system. Think of it as the Knoppix of the Linux distro world. It could work but that is for you to decide. OT: Not a Knoppix, actually. You can't do anything useful with it without a HD install. A while ago I needed badly to test a certain system with Asterisk without installing it and was amazed to see the little existing support LiveCDs had of Asterisk. I ended up using AsteriskLive 0.1.6, even though it was rather old. If you wanted a knoppix install there is knopsterix, which can save your config without overwriting your whole drive without prompting you to save a partition or two. -- Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com Bret McDanel UK +44 870 340 4605 Germany +49 801 777 555 3402 US +1 360 207 0479 or +1 516 687 5200 FreeWorldDialup: 635378 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Difference between Asterisk and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote: On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 07:04 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 10:18:26PM -0500, Andrew Latham wrote: That question could start a battle. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a bootable Asterisk system. Think of it as the Knoppix of the Linux distro world. It could work but that is for you to decide. OT: Not a Knoppix, actually. You can't do anything useful with it without a HD install. A while ago I needed badly to test a certain system with Asterisk without installing it and was amazed to see the little existing support LiveCDs had of Asterisk. I ended up using AsteriskLive 0.1.6, even though it was rather old. If you wanted a knoppix install there is knopsterix, which can save your config without overwriting your whole drive without prompting you to save a partition or two. I should be releasing a much improved Live version of AstLinux within a week or so. A test version was announced on my mailing list a while ago, with pretty good results so far. It will be AstLinux 0.2.8, and available as an ISO (as well as the Windows install package, disk images, etc.) I'll let everyone here know when it's released. -- Kristian Kielhofner ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
