Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Chris, Something that no one around me seemed to consider was what Legacy PBX is in place already. There is a PBX with analog phones going into it! Please re-read my post from January, 19th. -- Best regards Peer Oliver Schmidt PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Hi all -- I just sat down to revisit this project and figure out what card to go with. Something that no one around me seemed to consider was what Legacy PBX is in place already. There is a PBX with analog phones going into it! So if I get a 4x BRI card, I'm going to either need to keep the Legacy PBX in place and *somehow* connect to the two machines, or I'm going to need a TDM card in the server as well and handle everything inside the one server with Asterisk. This is driving me up the wall, because I'm not physically in the same location as the German PBX/where the Asterisk server is going to be setup. I am also not clear on how ISDN works with incoming and outgoing lines. Does it distinguish between the incoming lines/outgoing? Meaning -- will plugging 2x CAT5 lines between the BRIcard/Asterisk and the Legacy PBX to enable bridging between the two?? Any further comments on this would be appreciated Man is ISDN wacky :-) I'd much rather just get a large TDM2400 and put all the extension lines into that. Cheers all - Original Message - From: "Kristof Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German * > Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: > > I have also heard about BERONET isdn cards? a single Beronet 4-channel card > > would suffice I think? > > Yes. Beronet and Junghanns both have the "same" cards. (they just 'work' > different, junghanns uses zap interfaces, beronet mISDN) > > So, as already mentioned, you have 2 good options: > - 4x BRI card (Beronet or junghanns) > - 2x HFC PCI card (uses zap, and are cheap!) > > Regarding the phones, I only use sip phones, so no idea on that.. > > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: I have also heard about BERONET isdn cards? a single Beronet 4-channel card would suffice I think? Yes. Beronet and Junghanns both have the "same" cards. (they just 'work' different, junghanns uses zap interfaces, beronet mISDN) So, as already mentioned, you have 2 good options: - 4x BRI card (Beronet or junghanns) - 2x HFC PCI card (uses zap, and are cheap!) Regarding the phones, I only use sip phones, so no idea on that.. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: So yes, we have 4 channels, so I'm going to need 2x Fritz cards -- but I would rather not have to apply patches just to get the two PCI cards to work in the same box Than don't use two Fritz! cards, but two hfc-s cards, or the 4-port cards mentioned below. The price difference between the cards you guys mentioned is interesting I have also heard about BERONET isdn cards? a single Beronet 4-channel card would suffice I think? It is not a 4-channel, but a 4-port card, i.e. 8-channels, just like the junghanns and sirrix cards. Thing is, whatever the legacy system in place already is (this is not a fresh operation) must have some sort of minor PBX in place, where all the phones are plugged in. So I would have to remove that and could use a TDM card to plug the phones in? These phones, isdn etc -- probably aren't analog -- probably don't work with a TDM card right? So I think what you were suggesting John is ISDN channel cards and a TDM in the same machine? with * just bridging calls between the two? An even better approach is the one outlined on the junghanns.net. Use the existing PBX and plug it into the other two ISDN ports of the 4-port beronet/junghanns/Sirrix card, and use asterisk as the middleman. Adding new phones would be done either as extensions of the old PBX, or as SIP-phones to asterisk -- Best regards Peer Oliver Schmidt PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Thanks for all the posts everyone So yes, we have 4 channels, so I'm going to need 2x Fritz cards -- but I would rather not have to apply patches just to get the two PCI cards to work in the same box The price difference between the cards you guys mentioned is interesting I have also heard about BERONET isdn cards? a single Beronet 4-channel card would suffice I think? Thing is, whatever the legacy system in place already is (this is not a fresh operation) must have some sort of minor PBX in place, where all the phones are plugged in. So I would have to remove that and could use a TDM card to plug the phones in? These phones, isdn etc -- probably aren't analog -- probably don't work with a TDM card right? So I think what you were suggesting John is ISDN channel cards and a TDM in the same machine? with * just bridging calls between the two? Interesting. :-S Chris Earle - Original Message - From: "John Daragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chris Earle (CBL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German * > Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been working with * for a long time now, but only with analog FXS/FXO > > systems. > > I am venturing towards setting up a box in Germany now and I believe that > > requires a Fritz card? Do I even have to use the Fritz cards? Why not a > > Digium card > > The AVM Fritz card is a single connection (2 x 64 kbps) passive ISDN > card. It's well supported by chan_capi, but running more than one of > them in a PC requires a driver patch. > > You can't use a Digium card because Digium doesn't make an ISDN2 card. > > > > > We have 2 ISDN lines ( --> 6 handsets) so I'm guessing that will require 2 > > Fritz PCI cards (they have 1 port only). Then there's some sort of channel > > bank that sends the calls out to the extensions. > > Does this make any sort of sense? > > By 2 lines I guess you mean 4 channels ? i.e. 4 simultaneous calls ? If > you mean 2 channels, then you only need 1 fritz card. > > > > Could someone confirm with me that this is the right direction to go -- ISDN > > lines, Fritz cards/Asterisk box, Channelbank/telco-box, extension > > handsets.. > > On the handset side you could use a couple of TDM4xx cards, or just use > SIP phones. > > jd > > -- > > John Daragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] > argv[0] limited (Asterisk implementation & consultancy) > Lambs Lawn Cottage, Staple Fitzpaine, Taunton, TA3 5SL, UK > v +44 (0) 1460 234068 f +44 (0) 1460 234069 m +44 (0) 7836 576127 > > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On Thu, January 19, 2006 0:13, Hans Witvliet said: > On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:45 +, John Daragon wrote: > >> >> You can't use a Digium card because Digium doesn't make an ISDN2 card. >> > > > If i see how many questions/complaints there are on the list about > isdn/bri > i would allmost wonder why digium does not make a single/quad active bri > board > Bri may not be popular as PRI in the usa, here in NL it's quite the > opposite. PRI is way off limits for SOHO: it costs an arm and a leg > initially and several toes a month ;-) > I hear ya! We're using several BRI's rather than a PRI. We do not need the full complement of channels a PRI offers, but if prices were more reasonable we might have considered it anyway, simply because 1 PRI is much easier than several BRI's. Prices are so outrageous though that we settled for multiple BRI's and take the extra hassle for what it is... -- F Peeters PIII 450 - 1 GB - * 1.2 - BRIstuff 0.3.0 Pre 1 - Florz patch 2 Sweex HFC-PCI modes=2 sync_slave=2 timer_card=0 Cologne HFC-S pins #52, #54, #55 connected in parallel for synching. AMD Duron 1GHz - 1GB - * 1.2.1 2 Sweex HFC-PCI cards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 11:45 +, John Daragon wrote: > > You can't use a Digium card because Digium doesn't make an ISDN2 card. > If i see how many questions/complaints there are on the list about isdn/bri i would allmost wonder why digium does not make a single/quad active bri board Bri may not be popular as PRI in the usa, here in NL it's quite the opposite. PRI is way off limits for SOHO: it costs an arm and a leg initially and several toes a month ;-) Hans -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Chris Earle (CBL) wrote: Hi all, I've been working with * for a long time now, but only with analog FXS/FXO systems. I am venturing towards setting up a box in Germany now and I believe that requires a Fritz card? Do I even have to use the Fritz cards? Why not a Digium card The AVM Fritz card is a single connection (2 x 64 kbps) passive ISDN card. It's well supported by chan_capi, but running more than one of them in a PC requires a driver patch. You can't use a Digium card because Digium doesn't make an ISDN2 card. We have 2 ISDN lines ( --> 6 handsets) so I'm guessing that will require 2 Fritz PCI cards (they have 1 port only). Then there's some sort of channel bank that sends the calls out to the extensions. Does this make any sort of sense? By 2 lines I guess you mean 4 channels ? i.e. 4 simultaneous calls ? If you mean 2 channels, then you only need 1 fritz card. Could someone confirm with me that this is the right direction to go -- ISDN lines, Fritz cards/Asterisk box, Channelbank/telco-box, extension handsets.. On the handset side you could use a couple of TDM4xx cards, or just use SIP phones. jd -- John Daragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] argv[0] limited (Asterisk implementation & consultancy) Lambs Lawn Cottage, Staple Fitzpaine, Taunton, TA3 5SL, UK v +44 (0) 1460 234068 f +44 (0) 1460 234069 m +44 (0) 7836 576127 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Mimmus wrote: > > Don't forget the CAPI-based cards. I'm very happy with my > > Eicon DIVA Server V-BRI and chan_capi from sourceforge. > > Haven't had any problems or hiccups from day one after > > creating the initial setup with my German ISDN line. > > Eicon DIVA cards rocks but a quad-BRI costs 1500EUR > Other models cost this price/100. > Or not? Yes, there is a differnce in price, but you cannot compare a passive card with the Eicon DIVA Server cards with onboard DSPs... Armin ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
Mimmus wrote: Eicon DIVA cards rocks but a quad-BRI costs 1500€ Other models cost this price/100. Or not? A Junghanns quadbri is approx 640€. And 2x HFC-pci ISDN card is 2x30€ or so.. haven't tried this in production yet :) ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
> Don't forget the CAPI-based cards. I'm very happy with my > Eicon DIVA Server V-BRI and chan_capi from sourceforge. > Haven't had any problems or hiccups from day one after > creating the initial setup with my German ISDN line. Eicon DIVA cards rocks but a quad-BRI costs 1500€ Other models cost this price/100. Or not? Mimmus ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, Camilo Gonzalez-Cortes wrote: > The Fritz cards was not designed to run on asterisk whereas the following > German ISDN cards (http://www.junghanns.net/en/quadBRI_produkt.html) was > designed specially to run on this platform. It does not matter what the card was designed for. It is more important what the current support is. The Eicon DIVA Server cards are very stable and they very good supported. And the card and its firmware speak almost every ISDN protocol in the world, so you can use them in every country. Armin > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Earle > (CBL) > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:42 PM > To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com > Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German * > > Hi all, > > I've been working with * for a long time now, but only with analog FXS/FXO > systems. > I am venturing towards setting up a box in Germany now and I believe that > requires a Fritz card? Do I even have to use the Fritz cards? Why not a > Digium card > > We have 2 ISDN lines ( --> 6 handsets) so I'm guessing that will require 2 > Fritz PCI cards (they have 1 port only). Then there's some sort of channel > bank that sends the calls out to the extensions. > Does this make any sort of sense? > > Could someone confirm with me that this is the right direction to go -- ISDN > lines, Fritz cards/Asterisk box, Channelbank/telco-box, extension > handsets.. > > > Thanks > > -- > Chris Earle > System Solutions Specialist, > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006 > > ___ > --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- > > Asterisk-Users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On 17 Jan 2006, at 21:41, Francesco Peeters (Asterisk) wrote: On Tue, January 17, 2006 22:10, Camilo Gonzalez-Cortes said: The Fritz cards was not designed to run on asterisk whereas the following German ISDN cards (http://www.junghanns.net/en/ quadBRI_produkt.html) was designed specially to run on this platform. The only problem with this vendor is the support...It is terrible. They never respond an e-mail Almost any card with the cologne HFC-S chip will work with their drivers + Florz patch, mISDN or vISDN. In my epxerience vISDN gives the best EURO-ISDN support, but it is a very young project, and still misses crucial stuff like echo cancelling... Don't forget the CAPI-based cards. I'm very happy with my Eicon DIVA Server V-BRI and chan_capi from sourceforge. Haven't had any problems or hiccups from day one after creating the initial setup with my German ISDN line. jens ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
On Tue, January 17, 2006 22:10, Camilo Gonzalez-Cortes said: > The Fritz cards was not designed to run on asterisk whereas the following > German ISDN cards (http://www.junghanns.net/en/quadBRI_produkt.html) was > designed specially to run on this platform. > > The only problem with this vendor is the support...It is terrible. They > never respond an e-mail > > Almost any card with the cologne HFC-S chip will work with their drivers + Florz patch, mISDN or vISDN. In my epxerience vISDN gives the best EURO-ISDN support, but it is a very young project, and still misses crucial stuff like echo cancelling... It is moving at a high pace though, so keep an eye on it... BriStuff is the most mature, but also still has bugs, and contrary to the vISDN developer, they hardly ever respond to emails... Whatever you choose, good luck! :-) -- F Peeters PIII 450 - 1 GB - * 1.2 - BRIstuff 0.3.0 Pre 1 - Florz patch 2 Sweex HFC-PCI modes=2 sync_slave=2 timer_card=0 Cologne HFC-S pins #52, #54, #55 connected in parallel for synching. AMD Duron 1GHz - 1GB - * 1.2.1 - vISDN 2 Sweex HFC-PCI cards ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German *
The Fritz cards was not designed to run on asterisk whereas the following German ISDN cards (http://www.junghanns.net/en/quadBRI_produkt.html) was designed specially to run on this platform. The only problem with this vendor is the support...It is terrible. They never respond an e-mail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Earle (CBL) Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:42 PM To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Fritz card technology & German * Hi all, I've been working with * for a long time now, but only with analog FXS/FXO systems. I am venturing towards setting up a box in Germany now and I believe that requires a Fritz card? Do I even have to use the Fritz cards? Why not a Digium card We have 2 ISDN lines ( --> 6 handsets) so I'm guessing that will require 2 Fritz PCI cards (they have 1 port only). Then there's some sort of channel bank that sends the calls out to the extensions. Does this make any sort of sense? Could someone confirm with me that this is the right direction to go -- ISDN lines, Fritz cards/Asterisk box, Channelbank/telco-box, extension handsets.. Thanks -- Chris Earle System Solutions Specialist, -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 14/01/2006 ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- Asterisk-Users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
