RE: [Asterisk-Users] i swtiched to digest

2004-11-19 Thread Kevin Walsh
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 I believe the list is so big that many of us are loosing some
 interesting threads. May be the admins can split the users list in some
 more specific sub-lists, and the people who wants to receive all the
 messages can subscribe to the sublists, or have a digest for someones,
 etc. 
 
You'll find that many people will want to be subscribed to all of the
mail lists - just in case something interesting is said or asked.

You'll also find that some Muppets will post their questions to multiple
lists, instead of finding a specific list to use, or will judge that
their question/comment has relevance in multiple lists.  For instance,
how many Asterisk veterans are likely to hang out on asterisk-newbies so
that they can answer the same FAQ question every ten minutes, and how
many Asterisk users are going to post their questions to the newbie
list when they find that there are no experts there?  People already
post and/or duplicate end-user questions to the developers' list as
it is.

Splitting up the mail lists will most likely result in more bandwidth
use for most people - not less.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] i swtiched to digest

2004-11-19 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On November 19, 2004 11:43 am, Kevin Walsh wrote:
 You'll find that many people will want to be subscribed to all of the
 mail lists - just in case something interesting is said or asked.

Personally I subscribe to -users, -dev and -cvs.

 You'll also find that some Muppets will post their questions to multiple
 lists, instead of finding a specific list to use, or will judge that
 their question/comment has relevance in multiple lists.  For instance,
 how many Asterisk veterans are likely to hang out on asterisk-newbies so
 that they can answer the same FAQ question every ten minutes, and how
 many Asterisk users are going to post their questions to the newbie
 list when they find that there are no experts there?  People already
 post and/or duplicate end-user questions to the developers' list as
 it is.

This is exactly the problem with having a bazillion lists (as well as one of 
the problems with forums in general, IMO).

 Splitting up the mail lists will most likely result in more bandwidth
 use for most people - not less.

Precisely.  I see nothing wrong with what we have now (at least with the 3 I 
subscribe to) -- if you (the OP) are missing interesting threads, beat on the 
clueless ones who post with subject lines like I need help or asterisk 
problem -- I think the larger lists force the untrained to learn quickly or 
leave.  The signup page should have the posting guidelines and a big fat 
warning that says FAILURE TO ADHERE TO THESE GUIDELINES WILL HAMPER YOUR 
ABILITY TO RECEIVE HELP -- Then let them whine on -newbies as to why they 
can't get anyone to help them.

Too much hand-holding results in a mawkish society.  People need to learn how 
to effectively communicate and stay afloat in the sea of information, not try 
and backfill the waters so they can feel comfortable.

-A.
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] i swtiched to digest

2004-11-19 Thread FuturaHost.Com Lists

Hello

You'll find that many people will want to be subscribed to all of the
mail lists - just in case something interesting is said or asked.

You'll also find that some Muppets will post their questions to multiple
lists, instead of finding a specific list to use, or will judge that
their question/comment has relevance in multiple lists.  For instance,
how many Asterisk veterans are likely to hang out on asterisk-newbies so
that they can answer the same FAQ question every ten minutes, and how
many Asterisk users are going to post their questions to the newbie
list when they find that there are no experts there?  People already
post and/or duplicate end-user questions to the developers' list as
it is.

Splitting up the mail lists will most likely result in more bandwidth
use for most people - not less.

I believe time is more precious than bandwidth.

I also believe that experts answering in the newbies branch are
welcome

I also think that people who want to be subscribed to many or all
sublists, are also welcomed

Yes, newbies tends to post on more than one lists, but they learn fast
about that, specially if they are teached by those who are subscribed in
more than one list.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] i swtiched to digest

2004-11-19 Thread Chris TenHarmsel
I've ammased 12Mb of email in a weekthis list does generate a LOT
of traffic that it gets the point for me that it's really hard to wade
through it all.

-Chris


On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:03:34 +0100, FuturaHost.Com Lists
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 Hello
 
 You'll find that many people will want to be subscribed to all of the
 
 
 mail lists - just in case something interesting is said or asked.
 
 You'll also find that some Muppets will post their questions to multiple
 lists, instead of finding a specific list to use, or will judge that
 their question/comment has relevance in multiple lists.  For instance,
 how many Asterisk veterans are likely to hang out on asterisk-newbies so
 that they can answer the same FAQ question every ten minutes, and how
 many Asterisk users are going to post their questions to the newbie
 list when they find that there are no experts there?  People already
 post and/or duplicate end-user questions to the developers' list as
 it is.
 
 Splitting up the mail lists will most likely result in more bandwidth
 use for most people - not less.
 
 I believe time is more precious than bandwidth.
 
 I also believe that experts answering in the newbies branch are
 welcome
 
 I also think that people who want to be subscribed to many or all
 sublists, are also welcomed
 
 Yes, newbies tends to post on more than one lists, but they learn fast
 about that, specially if they are teached by those who are subscribed in
 more than one list.
 
 
 
 Regards
 --
 Pablo Povarchik
 
 Quality Colocation and Dedicated Servers services
 Colocation facilities include Fremont California,
 London UK and Trento Italy
 
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 |  Web Hosting - Dedicated Servers - Colocation
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RE: [Asterisk-Users] i swtiched to digest

2004-11-19 Thread Kevin Walsh
Chris TenHarmsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've ammased 12Mb of email in a weekthis list does generate a LOT
 of traffic that it gets the point for me that it's really hard to wade
 through it all. 
 
Just do what I do:

1. Scan the subject list and delete anything that doesn't appear
   to be of interest.

2. Delete any messages that have lazy, top-posted followups.
   A rule that marks articles that include -Original Message-
   in the text will find a whole load of these, and will make life
   a lot easier.  Others will be found and deleted as and when they
   are opened, assuming they passed rule #1, of course.

3. Delete all HTML articles.  I don't have a rule for these at the
   moment, so I usually just delete them as and when I find them.

Following the above, you'll find that you're left with only 10% or so of
your original mailbox size.  This 10% usually results in the articles
that are worth reading.

Of course, everyone will have their own way of trimming public mail
lists to a manageable size.  This is mine.

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