Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
Being optimistic, I think it's a great idea.. putting on the pessimistic hat, getting * to work under those conditions w/ the # of ports (48) you're discussing.. I think is probably your biggest headache. I wrote 4 other paragraphs about what I think, and deleted them. Interesting, let me know where you go with this. -m - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Greg Boehnlein wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: who said anything about a computer? :) computer, $$extra on both. may be less on the pm3 side due to resource needs. In the scenario I envision this being used in, there is no computer. The PM3 runs (On it's x86 w/ 4 or 16 megs of ram) a stripped down, embedded version of Linux + Asterisk. With a TE405P you need a PC to house the cards in. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
they've mentioned interest in making it a channel bank, really, FXS/FXO to SIP or IAX or another protocol, delivered via tcp/ip, and your input would be interesting regarding the hardware capabilities of the boxes. - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Bob Knight wrote: On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: 3) good luck getting the firmware source is the firmware source freely available, -- I've been asked by others. All the other (excellent, thought provoking) conversation aside, Jake Messenger from Portmasters.com has been granted a license by Lucent for ComOS. http://www.portmasters.com/pipermail/comos/2004-August/41.html That contains a link to the license the source is under. It isn't free as in GNU, but I don't think that really matters much. I had to give up following this list too closely, because it just sucks up too much time. But I did just stumble onto this thread about portmasters. I worked at Livingston and wrote the drivers on the portmasters. That source code is easy to find and even compiles on a linux box these days (we used to use SunOS). If you come up with anything interesting to do with the boxes, please let me know I may be able to help. Contact me off list is best. -- Bob Knight [-w] the work option [EMAIL PROTECTED] 925-449-9163 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
Matt Klein wrote: they've mentioned interest in making it a channel bank, really, FXS/FXO to SIP or IAX or another protocol, delivered via tcp/ip, and your input would be interesting regarding the hardware capabilities of the boxes. Please strongly consider having it do IAX. It solves a lot of problems. I wish there were more hardware out there that spoke it natively. B. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
Ethernet Channel Bank Hmm. Caught my attention for more than 34 hours, you win. I'm getting 24 port carrier access channel banks for $100, Digium 4 Port Cards for about $800 (T400P) a card.. Meaning a blended cost of ~$12.50 per channel NRC. I can mux up 96 channels for a cost of $12.50 per channel all day long. And easily sell it at $25 to cover the cost of the box per port, T-1 channel per port, and channel bank per port non recurring costs. Why am I looking at this post? Your cost is higher. Why would I bother? Give me influence. Why would I think about buying a $400 2T portmaster for twice the price to achieve a lesser result as a 4 port and 4 T carrier access channel banks? 4 ports and 4 banks cost me about $1200, or about $12.50 NRC not including the associated hardware. Add on about 6 bucks a port. Even then, these costs still result in the same Hardware costs outside of the Channel Bank costs of a Portmaster. $400 is a rip for Channel Banks. The CLECs are already hurting and need a quick solution, an 8 year return plan isn't going to help anyone. Make it cheap and you'll win cash. And have we discussed gr303 for oversubscription capabilities which * supports? You need oversubscription capability, if you don't include this in your design, you will fail. Period. My two cents. I can have SS7 access pretty easily, can provide colo, and can provide a machine, with capability for testing if desired. I think I also have PM3s in inventory somewhere, email me. Lemme know. Dunno. I'm also interested in the DSP's ability to provide codec trans and echo can. Actually, I'm really concerned with that as a primary, everything else is kinda noise to me ATM. If you can get the original source for the comos you can probably get the layout of the cards, which means they can be reassembled for compactpci capability if that doesn't currently exist, which extends my interest. I am, however, interested in further comment on this thread, including PM3, Ethernet - DS0 bridging... continue discussion PLZ cPCI is my current undying interest. I have facilities if anyone wants to play. bkw input? blah from 1am. wherd. -m - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Greg Boehnlein wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, nik martin wrote: news.gmane.org wrote: Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank You know, if someone had some time on their hands, was good at hardware/software hacking and had the will, the old Livingston/Lucent PM3 platform would make an awesome 48 port IAX2 - PRI/T1 channel bank. Basically, the PM3 has 2 T1 ports that can be configured for ISDN PRI. The core of the system runs on an AMD x86 CPU. The plug in Modem cards have Lucent DSP's on them (up to 50 in a box). Flash size is 4 megs, and RAM is usually around 4 megs. That is still quite a bit of horsepower, and the boxes are under $400 now. The DSP's could be used for Codec Translation, if neccessary, or for echo cancellation. And, we can get access to the original Lucent ComOS Source code. Anyone game? :) -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
Ethernet Channel Bank Hmm. Caught my attention for more than 34 hours, you win. I'm getting 24 port carrier access channel banks for $100, Digium 4 Port Cards for about $800 (T400P) a card.. Meaning a blended cost of ~$12.50 per channel NRC. I can mux up 96 channels for a cost of $12.50 per channel all day long. And easily sell it at $25 to cover the cost of the box per port, T-1 channel per port, and channel bank per port non recurring costs. I'm also interested, but not from an I-can-buy-a-channel-bank-cheeper- then-you-can perspective. Rather, an ethernet channel bank would make it very easy to pick up a flexible number of pstn-fxo lines at remote locations where I already have Internet presence. I don't need any T1 cards to extend the reach into small towns and cities. :) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
W/ Portmaster to Ether Portmaster Qty 2 T1$400 Portmaster Qty 2 T1$400 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 W/ T400P to Ether T400P Qty 1 (4 T1)$800 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 1) And T400P is already coded for. But Maximum Cards per Chassis is a prob. 2) Portmaster could potentially support more ports per cost I.E. 256-512 simultaneous being routed through one machine after translated to SIP, codec'd and shipped?. as opposed to 96-256 calls on one machine via 4 port cards 3) good luck getting the firmware source is the firmware source freely available, -- I've been asked by others. - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: FXS vs FXO, listen. I really didn't mean to present that as a perspective, only a challenge to shoot down an inflated price model for FXS ports. If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. I am too, interested, in an Ethernet Channel Bank. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. Besides, GSM compression is pretty close. etc etc etc Big Difference between FXS and FXO. And yes, point made, rural fxo bonding could be more cost friendly with that type of a device.. as could already established lines. No installs etc. Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. With that, if as an FXO device, and not looking at FXS, the $400 is interesting.. considering only 2 points 1) Call Answered is at Channel Bank level 2) Call Delivered is only via Ethernet. PSTN - | PM | - * Otherwise for twice the cost, I can do 4 ports @ $800.. vs 2 ports at $400. Matching cost and supporting open source software. Otherwise this is a null and void topic. Same cost per T? Am I wrong here? -m - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Rich Adamson wrote: Ethernet Channel Bank Hmm. Caught my attention for more than 34 hours, you win. I'm getting 24 port carrier access channel banks for $100, Digium 4 Port Cards for about $800 (T400P) a card.. Meaning a blended cost of ~$12.50 per channel NRC. I can mux up 96 channels for a cost of $12.50 per channel all day long. And easily sell it at $25 to cover the cost of the box per port, T-1 channel per port, and channel bank per port non recurring costs. I'm also interested, but not from an I-can-buy-a-channel-bank-cheeper- then-you-can perspective. Rather, an ethernet channel bank would make it very easy to pick up a flexible number of pstn-fxo lines at remote locations where I already have Internet presence. I don't need any T1 cards to extend the reach into small towns and cities. :) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On December 15, 2004 05:29 am, Matt Klein wrote: If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. You can't find an FXO channel bank for $100. FXS sure, FXS channel banks are a dime a dozen. FXO ports are damned expensive, especially if they have far-end disconnect supervision. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. For 2 ports the PAP2-NA's fine. Do you really want 12 of them, a switch and a wall full of wall warts (plus the associated cabling and rise in temp over ambient) that goes with this solution? Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. Hell let me know if you ever find a $400 24 port FXO channel bank that does far-end disconnect supervision! -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On December 15, 2004 06:13 am, Matt Klein wrote: W/ T400P to Ether T400P Qty 1 (4 T1) $800 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 Plus computer. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
good point, let me know too, 24 FXO less than $400. -m - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On December 15, 2004 05:29 am, Matt Klein wrote: If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. You can't find an FXO channel bank for $100. FXS sure, FXS channel banks are a dime a dozen. FXO ports are damned expensive, especially if they have far-end disconnect supervision. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. For 2 ports the PAP2-NA's fine. Do you really want 12 of them, a switch and a wall full of wall warts (plus the associated cabling and rise in temp over ambient) that goes with this solution? Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. Hell let me know if you ever find a $400 24 port FXO channel bank that does far-end disconnect supervision! -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
FXS vs FXO, listen. I really didn't mean to present that as a perspective, only a challenge to shoot down an inflated price model for FXS ports. If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. I am too, interested, in an Ethernet Channel Bank. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. Besides, GSM compression is pretty close. etc etc etc Big Difference between FXS and FXO. And yes, point made, rural fxo bonding could be more cost friendly with that type of a device.. as could already established lines. No installs etc. Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. With that, if as an FXO device, and not looking at FXS, the $400 is interesting.. considering only 2 points 1) Call Answered is at Channel Bank level 2) Call Delivered is only via Ethernet. PSTN - | PM | - * Otherwise for twice the cost, I can do 4 ports @ $800.. vs 2 ports at $400. Matching cost and supporting open source software. Otherwise this is a null and void topic. Same cost per T? Am I wrong here? Don't think there is such a thing as wrong; its all in perspective. Some folks need economical fxs's and some need fxo's (or a combo). Regardless of which is needed, interfacing the box to asterisk via ethernet (where feasible) has some interesting economics and operational benefits, particularily if dsp/codec/canceller is in the box. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:23:51 -0600, Rich Adamson wrote: FXS vs FXO, listen. I really didn't mean to present that as a perspective, only a challenge to shoot down an inflated price model for FXS ports. If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. I am too, interested, in an Ethernet Channel Bank. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. Besides, GSM compression is pretty close. etc etc etc Big Difference between FXS and FXO. And yes, point made, rural fxo bonding could be more cost friendly with that type of a device.. as could already established lines. No installs etc. Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. With that, if as an FXO device, and not looking at FXS, the $400 is interesting.. considering only 2 points 1) Call Answered is at Channel Bank level 2) Call Delivered is only via Ethernet. PSTN - | PM | - * Otherwise for twice the cost, I can do 4 ports @ $800.. vs 2 ports at $400. Matching cost and supporting open source software. Otherwise this is a null and void topic. Same cost per T? Am I wrong here? Don't think there is such a thing as wrong; its all in perspective. Some folks need economical fxs's and some need fxo's (or a combo). Regardless of which is needed, interfacing the box to asterisk via ethernet (where feasible) has some interesting economics and operational benefits, particularily if dsp/codec/canceller is in the box. I think that one real opportunity, perhaps of many potentials, is the smaller installation. We suffer the lack of small format, reliable FXOs. If the proposed hardware was DSP based, modular and supported up to say 8 (?) FXOs in addition to however many FXS ports then I'd be willing to pay 2x the cost of existing small FXO adapters like the Sipura SPA-3000 on a per port basis. Also, unlike the SPAs, we're targeting * installations. Therefore, don't bother putting a whole lot of complex dialplan stuff into the firmware. Just presume to act as appendages to the * server. Support IAX2 over ether as your connection back to *. Make the cage in a couple of sizes such that I can deploy a small one standalone at a remote location. If you wish to get fancy, put a SBC style PC into on a card that fits into the cage. That way I can put my * server right in the box for SOHO installations. Michael -- Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Product Specialist www.pixelpower.com Pixel Power Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] o713-861-4005 o800-905-6412 c713-201-1262 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: 3) good luck getting the firmware source is the firmware source freely available, -- I've been asked by others. All the other (excellent, thought provoking) conversation aside, Jake Messenger from Portmasters.com has been granted a license by Lucent for ComOS. http://www.portmasters.com/pipermail/comos/2004-August/41.html That contains a link to the license the source is under. It isn't free as in GNU, but I don't think that really matters much. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: W/ Portmaster to Ether Portmaster Qty 2 T1 $400 Portmaster Qty 2 T1 $400 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 W/ T400P to Ether T400P Qty 1 (4 T1)$800 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 Add a $800 PC to this mix for the T400P. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
RE: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
You mean I'll finally have a good use for all of these leftover PM3 units from disconnected dialup circuits Sweet Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Boehnlein Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:02 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: who said anything about a computer? :) computer, $$extra on both. may be less on the pm3 side due to resource needs. In the scenario I envision this being used in, there is no computer. The PM3 runs (On it's x86 w/ 4 or 16 megs of ram) a stripped down, embedded version of Linux + Asterisk. With a TE405P you need a PC to house the cards in. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/aster isk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
FXS vs FXO, listen. I really didn't mean to present that as a perspective, only a challenge to shoot down an inflated price model for FXS ports. If you mention FXO, I must mention $100 will not buy you what I am talking about. I am talking FXS ONLY. I am too, interested, in an Ethernet Channel Bank. I will not mention PAP2-NA's for 2 Line VOIP FXS ports at $56 standard retail each, nor will I mention SIP which comes standard with Asterisk to ship VOIP calls to, and which passes G.729 across a T-1 or DSL to a device which you can buy, such as a 7905, 7940, 7960 and I definitely won't point you to buy a 729 license from http://store.yahoo.com/asteriskpbx/asteriskg729.html. or 'borrow' one from elsewhere. Besides, GSM compression is pretty close. etc etc etc Big Difference between FXS and FXO. And yes, point made, rural fxo bonding could be more cost friendly with that type of a device.. as could already established lines. No installs etc. Let me know if you every come up with a $400 48 Port FXO device. With that, if as an FXO device, and not looking at FXS, the $400 is interesting.. considering only 2 points 1) Call Answered is at Channel Bank level 2) Call Delivered is only via Ethernet. PSTN - | PM | - * Otherwise for twice the cost, I can do 4 ports @ $800.. vs 2 ports at $400. Matching cost and supporting open source software. Otherwise this is a null and void topic. Same cost per T? Am I wrong here? -m - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Rich Adamson wrote: Ethernet Channel Bank Hmm. Caught my attention for more than 34 hours, you win. I'm getting 24 port carrier access channel banks for $100, Digium 4 Port Cards for about $800 (T400P) a card.. Meaning a blended cost of ~$12.50 per channel NRC. I can mux up 96 channels for a cost of $12.50 per channel all day long. And easily sell it at $25 to cover the cost of the box per port, T-1 channel per port, and channel bank per port non recurring costs. I'm also interested, but not from an I-can-buy-a-channel-bank-cheeper- then-you-can perspective. Rather, an ethernet channel bank would make it very easy to pick up a flexible number of pstn-fxo lines at remote locations where I already have Internet presence. I don't need any T1 cards to extend the reach into small towns and cities. :) ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
who said anything about a computer? :) computer, $$extra on both. may be less on the pm3 side due to resource needs. - I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. - James Madison On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote: On December 15, 2004 06:13 am, Matt Klein wrote: W/ T400P to Ether T400P Qty 1 (4 T1) $800 Carrier Access Qty 4 $400 Total $1200 Plus computer. -A. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
I hate to waste bandwidth by saying ditto but, big ditto. This would be a great boon for Asterisk. Medium sized installs especially. On the very small side you can slap an FXO port or two in your server and your 4 SIP phones can share without much of a problem. As I see it, the issue comes with the installs just above this. When you need 4 or 6 FXO ports and you also want a some FXS ports, now you are looking at trying to stuff 3 loaded PCI cards into a box. Installing a mux for 9 ports seems like a bit overkill but is really your only option in many cases. The other problem is that, between the T100P and the mux, your bill is getting fairly large (I do not personally know where the $100 channel banks are, especially with a mix of FXO and FXS ports). An Ethernet channel bank would be great, especially to fill this niche. I think the post below hits it on the head. IAX2 back to the server, modular ports, various sized cages...wow. The SBC availability or SNMP monitoring would just be icing on the cake. A dumb box-o-ports is really all that is necessary. IAX2 over Ethernet is the new T1!! Please, take my e-mail address and let me know when I can pre-order ;-) James Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea From: Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 06:52:33 -0600 ...SNIP... I think that one real opportunity, perhaps of many potentials, is the smaller installation. We suffer the lack of small format, reliable FXOs. If the proposed hardware was DSP based, modular and supported up to say 8 (?) FXOs in addition to however many FXS ports then I'd be willing to pay 2x the cost of existing small FXO adapters like the Sipura SPA-3000 on a per port basis. Also, unlike the SPAs, we're targeting * installations. Therefore, don't bother putting a whole lot of complex dialplan stuff into the firmware. Just presume to act as appendages to the * server. Support IAX2 over ether as your connection back to *. Make the cage in a couple of sizes such that I can deploy a small one standalone at a remote location. If you wish to get fancy, put a SBC style PC into on a card that fits into the cage. That way I can put my * server right in the box for SOHO installations. Michael -- Michael Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sr. Product Specialist www.pixelpower.com Pixel Power Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] o713-861-4005 o800-905-6412 c713-201-1262 ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004, Matt Klein wrote: who said anything about a computer? :) computer, $$extra on both. may be less on the pm3 side due to resource needs. In the scenario I envision this being used in, there is no computer. The PM3 runs (On it's x86 w/ 4 or 16 megs of ram) a stripped down, embedded version of Linux + Asterisk. With a TE405P you need a PC to house the cards in. -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, nik martin wrote: news.gmane.org wrote: Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank You know, if someone had some time on their hands, was good at hardware/software hacking and had the will, the old Livingston/Lucent PM3 platform would make an awesome 48 port IAX2 - PRI/T1 channel bank. Basically, the PM3 has 2 T1 ports that can be configured for ISDN PRI. The core of the system runs on an AMD x86 CPU. The plug in Modem cards have Lucent DSP's on them (up to 50 in a box). Flash size is 4 megs, and RAM is usually around 4 megs. That is still quite a bit of horsepower, and the boxes are under $400 now. The DSP's could be used for Codec Translation, if neccessary, or for echo cancellation. And, we can get access to the original Lucent ComOS Source code. Anyone game? :) -- Vice President of N2Net, a New Age Consulting Service, Inc. Company http://www.n2net.net Where everything clicks into place! KP-216-121-ST ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank You know, if someone had some time on their hands, was good at hardware/software hacking and had the will, the old Livingston/Lucent PM3 platform would make an awesome 48 port IAX2 - PRI/T1 channel bank. Basically, the PM3 has 2 T1 ports that can be configured for ISDN PRI. The core of the system runs on an AMD x86 CPU. The plug in Modem cards have Lucent DSP's on them (up to 50 in a box). Flash size is 4 megs, and RAM is usually around 4 megs. That is still quite a bit of horsepower, and the boxes are under $400 now. The DSP's could be used for Codec Translation, if neccessary, or for echo cancellation. And, we can get access to the original Lucent ComOS Source code. One of Livingston's developers use to hang around this list. Haven't seen him post for awhile so not sure if he's still hanging out or not. Maybe he'll read this and comment. ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 06:22:14 -0500 (EST), Greg Boehnlein wrote: On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, nik martin wrote: news.gmane.org wrote: Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank You know, if someone had some time on their hands, was good at hardware/software hacking and had the will, the old Livingston/Lucent PM3 platform would make an awesome 48 port IAX2 - PRI/T1 channel bank. Basically, the PM3 has 2 T1 ports that can be configured for ISDN PRI. The core of the system runs on an AMD x86 CPU. The plug in Modem cards have Lucent DSP's on them (up to 50 in a box). Flash size is 4 megs, and RAM is usually around 4 megs. That is still quite a bit of horsepower, and the boxes are under $400 now. The DSP's could be used for Codec Translation, if neccessary, or for echo cancellation. And, we can get access to the original Lucent ComOS Source code. Anyone game? :) It is not such a dumb idea !! I am using The ericsson tigris platform for our few remaining PRI's for our dialup pools. We are currently hanging asterisk off these using drop insert (both ways)... Now if we could actually get some code to get the voip working to/from asterisk we could do away the the PRI cards Gary . ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:53:53 -0600, nik martin wrote: news.gmane.org wrote: nik martin wrote: Anyone ever thought about an Ethernet based channel bank? Basically a rack mount set of 24 IAXys? That would be cool, IMO. No wrangling with zaptel, etc. IAX as the * - Channel bank protocol. Just an idea... Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank Compare it to the price of 24 x IAXys ?? . ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Ethernet Channel Bank idea
news.gmane.org wrote: nik martin wrote: Anyone ever thought about an Ethernet based channel bank? Basically a rack mount set of 24 IAXys? That would be cool, IMO. No wrangling with zaptel, etc. IAX as the * - Channel bank protocol. Just an idea... Allied Telesyn VoIP Access Device http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/documents/datasheet/VP624FXS_euro.pdf This is a 24-port FXS 1u device, conveniently presented as a single RJ-21 TELCO connector. yeah, but those are expensive as crap. i was thinking about something more competetive with a channel bank ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
