Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
BTW, I believe after all said everyone agrees that non of the providers send onto the PSTN more than 10 digits the only question is what they send to their customers. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, John Novack wrote: > > > C F wrote: >> >> The correct way in the US is to send NPANXX without the 1, in fact >> AT&T used to display unknown if 11 digit was received. >> > > Agreed. >> >> Vonage decided to add the 1 so that their fancy stupid boxes can dial >> back directly from the box. Sorry for the rant but it has created me >> more headaches that I care to remember. >> > > Not universally so. As I posted earlier, my Vonage account sends me 10 > digits. I now wonder if that varies depending on the ATA? Mine is he VT1005, > and clearly always sends 10 digits without the "1" >> >> Cell phone providers do not add the one, it's the phone that does. >> Forward your cell phone number to a landline and you'll see that the 1 >> is gone. >> > > I have a t-mob...@home service that always sends the "1". In this case it is > a special version of a Linksys router/ATA combo, with sockets for SIM cards. > t-mob...@home is, or was, available only to T-mobile customers, and > reportedly no longer offered. > It is billed with mobile phone service, but I was cautioned not to move the > SIM card to a mobile phone as there would be billing issues. > Both providers accept either 10 or 11 digits for outbound dialing. > > It WOULD be nice if there was some standard. In the US even dialing plans > aren't universal, as state PSC's dictate both dialing schemes and NPA > expansion, though it seems most now have settled on overlays. > > John Novack > >> >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM, John Novack >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Matt wrote: >>> > > I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: > NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- > > > My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set > standards? > The correct answer to this depends on where you are. IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable – Google wasn’t helpful on this one. >>> >>> OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a >>> cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are >>> designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the >>> local >>> area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has >>> no >>> clue what to do with it. >>> >>> Also in the US. >>> >>> My Vonage account does NOT send the "1" My t-mob...@home account DOES >>> send >>> the "1" Neither REQUIRE the "1" to be dialed!! >>> >>> IMO the "+" is not correct when sending CLID. It is correctly used in >>> print >>> when referencing international numbers. >>> >>> Why would you expect anyone to follow a standard? >>> >>> John Novack >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dog is my Co-pilot >>> >>> -- >>> _ >>> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- >>> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >>> http://www.asterisk.org/hello >>> >>> asterisk-users mailing list >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>> http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > > Dog is my Co-pilot > > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
C F wrote: > The correct way in the US is to send NPANXX without the 1, in fact > AT&T used to display unknown if 11 digit was received. > Agreed. > Vonage decided to add the 1 so that their fancy stupid boxes can dial > back directly from the box. Sorry for the rant but it has created me > more headaches that I care to remember. > Not universally so. As I posted earlier, my Vonage account sends me 10 digits. I now wonder if that varies depending on the ATA? Mine is he VT1005, and clearly always sends 10 digits without the "1" > Cell phone providers do not add the one, it's the phone that does. > Forward your cell phone number to a landline and you'll see that the 1 > is gone. > I have a t-mob...@home service that always sends the "1". In this case it is a special version of a Linksys router/ATA combo, with sockets for SIM cards. t-mob...@home is, or was, available only to T-mobile customers, and reportedly no longer offered. It is billed with mobile phone service, but I was cautioned not to move the SIM card to a mobile phone as there would be billing issues. Both providers accept either 10 or 11 digits for outbound dialing. It WOULD be nice if there was some standard. In the US even dialing plans aren't universal, as state PSC's dictate both dialing schemes and NPA expansion, though it seems most now have settled on overlays. John Novack > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM, John Novack > wrote: > >> >> Matt wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >>> My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? >>> >>> >>> The correct answer to this depends on where you are. >>> >>> IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable – Google >>> wasn’t helpful on this one. >>> >>> >>> >> OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a >> cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are >> designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the local >> area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has no >> clue what to do with it. >> >> Also in the US. >> >> My Vonage account does NOT send the "1" My t-mob...@home account DOES send >> the "1" Neither REQUIRE the "1" to be dialed!! >> >> IMO the "+" is not correct when sending CLID. It is correctly used in print >> when referencing international numbers. >> >> Why would you expect anyone to follow a standard? >> >> John Novack >> >> -- >> >> Dog is my Co-pilot >> >> -- >> _ >> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- >> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: >>http://www.asterisk.org/hello >> >> asterisk-users mailing list >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: >>http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users >> >> > -- Dog is my Co-pilot -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
The correct way in the US is to send NPANXX without the 1, in fact AT&T used to display unknown if 11 digit was received. Vonage decided to add the 1 so that their fancy stupid boxes can dial back directly from the box. Sorry for the rant but it has created me more headaches that I care to remember. Cell phone providers do not add the one, it's the phone that does. Forward your cell phone number to a landline and you'll see that the 1 is gone. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM, John Novack wrote: > > > Matt wrote: >> >> >> >> >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: >> >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >> >> >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set >> > standards? >> >> >> >> The correct answer to this depends on where you are. >> >> IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable – Google >> wasn’t helpful on this one. >> >> > > OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a > cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are > designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the local > area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has no > clue what to do with it. > > Also in the US. > > My Vonage account does NOT send the "1" My t-mob...@home account DOES send > the "1" Neither REQUIRE the "1" to be dialed!! > > IMO the "+" is not correct when sending CLID. It is correctly used in print > when referencing international numbers. > > Why would you expect anyone to follow a standard? > > John Novack > > -- > > Dog is my Co-pilot > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: > http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
Matt wrote: >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? The correct answer to this depends on where you are. IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable – Google wasn’t helpful on this one. OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the local area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has no clue what to do with it. Also in the US. My Vonage account does NOT send the "1" My t-mob...@home account DOES send the "1" Neither REQUIRE the "1" to be dialed!! IMO the "+" is not correct when sending CLID. It is correctly used in print when referencing international numbers. Why would you expect anyone to follow a standard? John Novack -- Dog is my Co-pilot -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
On Monday 09 August 2010 14:03:36 Matt wrote: > I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: > NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- > > My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? Given that you can only send CallerID on a digital circuit, it's going to depend upon the signalling. If the prilocaldialplan is set to 'unknown' or 'dynamic', then you send the '1'. If the prilocaldialplan is set to 'domestic', then you leave the '1' off (because it's implied). In terms of SIP or another VoIP protocol, you use whatever your provider specifies. -- Tilghman Lesher Digium, Inc. | Senior Software Developer twitter: Corydon76 | IRC: Corydon76-dig (Freenode) Check us out at: www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? The correct answer to this depends on where you are. IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable - Google wasn't helpful on this one. >OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the local area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has no clue what to do with it. My best answer in this scenario would be to obtain/deduce the NPA-NXX combinations that are known cell providers (such as 205-616) and send those without the 1. you could build this information into an SQL table pretty easily. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
> > > > > >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: > >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- > > >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set > standards? > > > > The correct answer to this depends on where you are. > > > IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable – Google > wasn’t helpful on this one. > > > OK... the reason I asked is because I've seen Vonage send the 1, and a cellular carrier I have sends the 1, but it seems that most phones are designed to not know what to do with that (e.g. they only ask for the local area code NPA), thus when I call comes through with the 1, the phone has no clue what to do with it. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID >>Continental US-48. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Subject: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? The correct answer to this depends on where you are. IMO the answer would be #2, but #3 would probably be acceptable - Google wasn't helpful on this one. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
Continental US-48. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: > *From:* asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto: > asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt > *Subject:* [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID > > > > >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: > >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- > > >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set > standards? > > > > The correct answer to this depends on where you are. > > -- > _ > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: > http://www.asterisk.org/hello > > asterisk-users mailing list > To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users > -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID
From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Subject: [asterisk-users] Correct Caller-ID >I've seen caller-id come through from carriers as: >NPA-NXX-, 1-NPA-NXX-, and +1-NPA-NXX- >My question is: what is the correct way to send Caller-ID by set standards? The correct answer to this depends on where you are. -- _ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs: http://www.asterisk.org/hello asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
