Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
Kristian Kielhofner wrote: On 1/27/09, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@mail.jeffandtilghman.com wrote: I would have said Queen's English, but that evokes Freddy Mercury. ...and Freddy Mercury evokes Kevin Fleming. Perfect - we're back on topic! *frown* -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
one very important thing that will help to improve the list is when someone solve the problem put an email [solved]original subject body the solution and the original problem David 2009/1/28 Kevin P. Fleming kpflem...@digium.com Kristian Kielhofner wrote: On 1/27/09, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@mail.jeffandtilghman.com wrote: I would have said Queen's English, but that evokes Freddy Mercury. ...and Freddy Mercury evokes Kevin Fleming. Perfect - we're back on topic! *frown* -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com www.asterisk.org ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
This is a good point. Knowing the outcome is important, and hopefully it will get more people to post once the problem has been resolved. David fire wrote: one very important thing that will help to improve the list is when someone solve the problem put an email [solved]original subject body the solution and the original problem David 2009/1/28 Kevin P. Fleming kpflem...@digium.com mailto:kpflem...@digium.com Kristian Kielhofner wrote: On 1/27/09, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@mail.jeffandtilghman.com mailto:tilgh...@mail.jeffandtilghman.com wrote: I would have said Queen's English, but that evokes Freddy Mercury. ...and Freddy Mercury evokes Kevin Fleming. Perfect - we're back on topic! *frown* -- Kevin P. Fleming Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpflem...@digium.com mailto:kpflem...@digium.com Check us out at www.digium.com http://www.digium.com www.asterisk.org http://www.asterisk.org ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
-- In many cases, this just isn't possible. While it would be nice to -- have all -- posts in the King's English, a great many users are in locales which -- don't King's English??? Anyway - to quote Ralph Wigham Me fail English? That's unpossible!. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
On Tuesday 27 January 2009 10:46:40 Andrew Thomas wrote: -- In many cases, this just isn't possible. While it would be nice to -- have all -- posts in the King's English, a great many users are in locales which -- don't King's English??? I would have said Queen's English, but that evokes Freddy Mercury. -- Tilghman ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
On 1/27/09, Tilghman Lesher tilgh...@mail.jeffandtilghman.com wrote: I would have said Queen's English, but that evokes Freddy Mercury. ...and Freddy Mercury evokes Kevin Fleming. Perfect - we're back on topic! -- Kristian Kielhofner http://blog.krisk.org http://www.submityoursip.com http://www.astlinux.org http://www.star2star.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
There are far better resources out there for teaching Linux newbies. Instead, voip-info.org attempts to provide the sorts of information that is useful for those already familiar with Linux I can appreciate that. And I can appreciate being at the other end of the pipe, as I like to gloss over all obvious details when I have to write up something. I'm not suggesting that VoIP should become a Linux tutorial, but that, where possible, every line that must be typed to get to a desired end be explicitly included rather than assuming that a one sentence comment will empower the reader to type in a whole page of bash stuff. You could certainly compare and contrast the documentation for other large daemon applications I would concur with your thoughts here. The terse style is endemic to everything Linux. I bought a commercial Linux app recently and it didn't even have a single word about installation. Turns out there was no configuration, so you could just drop it into a directory and make a shortcut icon if you were using Gnome or something. But at least a line stating that would have saved the author an E-Mail exchange..Oh yes, and then there was the library it needed that wasn't in the distro. It would have been useful if the Readme mentioned that. Anyway, you get the point. It's certainly instructive that the continuing advances in open source browser technology was what spurred Microsoft to once again invest time into its own browser True, but I can open IE and use it and then open Firefox and intuitively know what to do. It doesn't say you can use Z or -M or --Query all to do the same thing, (possibly with identical parameters, or possibly with parameters formatted differently) but -M only works on Fedora and --Query only works on Suse (contrived by true to life examples). It is this sort of thing that makes the Linux learning curve steep and makes it challenging to provide detailed instructions for something like installing a package. Based on a number of conversations over the last year or two, I have become convinced that those for whom these command automatically flow off of their fingertips are mostly clueless as to how unintuitive some of this stuff is when first encountered. Wilton ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
in my modest experience using mail list i learned to answer a question if i know the answer and if i don't like how the question was made i forget it. don't start a thread about the question. if you know the answer (or think you know and you hope you can help someone) and you like to respond give an answer if not just keep your fingers away. my modest opinion. -- (\__/) (='.'=)This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_()signature to help him gain world domination. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
Re: [asterisk-users] RFC -- Improving the quality of the mailinglists
Maybe at some place of the thread, we missed the focus of it. 1. About the Wiki, totally agreed that its sometimes outdated and you could get lost. But as we all know, if you want something to be correctly done, you have to do it yourself; (that takes me to point 2. , below) 2. The feeling that documentation is 'somewhat lacking', as someone said, its a general atmosphere. Maybe a FAQ would help new users but, the problem is that *some* users don't want help, they want their problems to be diagnosed and solved by people in the list. 3. From the book ATFOT v2, we have ...Asterisk was, and continues to be, actively developed for Linux, maybe that answers the comments about some documentation sources to assume that you are already familiar with Linux. If you buy a car for your own, it is assumed that you know how to drive (if you pretend to drive it) 4. Someone said Maybe there needs to be a beginner list I agree almost 100% with your oppinion but, we all know that the problem is not (at least for now, when there are lots of documentation topics to write) newbies questions, but bad formulated questions and people not wanting to help them self before asking other one's help. 5. About -docs list and ATFOT book, I think it is time already for the documentation's job to rest on everyone's shoulders. Maybe we can (based on newbies FAQs) determine which topics of the Book need to be strengthened and help make a stronger documentation source. 6. About just answering messages that I 'like how the question was made', there's a popular phrase in my country that says something like (in my language) 'Is of great help that one who doesn't stop/nuisance/obstacles'. If we don't do something about messages with subject and/or content poorly detailed, soon, we won't 'like' no message :) and abandon list. Regards, -- Jose P. Espinal http://eSlackware.com ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
