Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 09:42, Mon 25 Sep 06, Tomislav Par?ina wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
  I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
  a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
  peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
  I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
  why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
  ~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
  it's installed on.

I have the same here. All between 150 and 250 ms.
The phones do work perfectly, only the time in sip show
peers is higher then any other phone/device.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Zoa


I can confirm the same.
It doesnt mean the audio will be delayed, the phone is just slow with 
replying to the sip messages.


Zoa

Michiel van Baak wrote:


On 09:42, Mon 25 Sep 06, Tomislav Par?ina wrote:
 


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
   

I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
it's installed on.
 



I have the same here. All between 150 and 250 ms.
The phones do work perfectly, only the time in sip show
peers is higher then any other phone/device.
 



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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Michiel van Baak wrote:

On 09:42, Mon 25 Sep 06, Tomislav Par?ina wrote:


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...

I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
it's installed on.



I have the same here. All between 150 and 250 ms.
The phones do work perfectly, only the time in sip show
peers is higher then any other phone/device.


That is a classic (and, AFAIK innocuous) behavior of the original Cisco 
ATA-186 ATAs as well.


Nobody was ever able to explain why they are that way, but it seems to 
normal behavior.


B.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 04:11, Mon 25 Sep 06, Brian Capouch wrote:
 
 That is a classic (and, AFAIK innocuous) behavior of the original Cisco 
 ATA-186 ATAs as well.
 
 Nobody was ever able to explain why they are that way, but it seems to 
 normal behavior.

It really is something in the SIP image of the 7960.
I have one at home that runs SCCP with chan_sccp and that
one is only 4 ms away.

The sip image on the 7960 is slow overall. I find the menu's
and directories slow as well. But besides that the audio and
stuff works great on the SIP image so I dont think it's
actually a problem (unless you set 'qualify=100' in
sip.conf.

Now I think about it, there's one issue with the audio.
If you put a call on hold on the 7960 SIP and unhold them,
it sometimes takes 2 or 3 seconds before the audiostream is
connected again. This is the only issue I can find in our
ticket system.

My personal favourite is the sccp image, but lots of ppl
report crashes and stuff with chan_sccp (some of them I can
confirm) so that's why not a lot of ppl will use it.
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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Rich Adamson

Tomislav Parčina wrote:

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
it's installed on.


I have two 7960 phones with 7.4 firmware and sip show peers tells me that 
response time is 70 and 72 ms.
Hope this helps.


I can't tell you why either, but a ping from a linux command line shows 
sub-millisecond response (phone and asterisk on same lan segment), while 
the qualify response time is around 79 milliseconds.


Just taking a pure guess (without doing any packet sniffing) is the 
qualify method sends a sip packet to the phone and waits for a response. 
It is entirely possible that qualify ping might involve multiple packet 
interactions. Also, the qualify ping must essentially pass through all 
of the asterisk code, IP stack, etc, on both ends. That value would be 
greater then a simple icmp ping.


There are no settings in the cisco phones that would impact this.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 04:11:33AM -0400, Brian Capouch wrote:
 I have the same here. All between 150 and 250 ms.
 The phones do work perfectly, only the time in sip show
 peers is higher then any other phone/device.
 
 That is a classic (and, AFAIK innocuous) behavior of the original Cisco 
 ATA-186 ATAs as well.
 
 Nobody was ever able to explain why they are that way, but it seems to 
 normal behavior.

None of y'all hang out on NANOG.  :-)

Cisco has built routers for a living for 25 years: they always
prioritize things like ping response lower than actually getting the
work done.  This is probably a symptom of that.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Steve Glaus

Tomislav Parčina wrote:

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
  
I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
it's installed on.



I have two 7960 phones with 7.4 firmware and sip show peers tells me that 
response time is 70 and 72 ms.
Hope this helps.


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Thanks everyone for all the info. I'm going to assume this is normal for 
this phone and doesn't adversely affect performance. I've installed 
these on several different asterisk systems (including 1.4) and it's all 
the same. Anyone running sip firmware 8.4 know if this is 'fixed' ?


Again thanks for all the help
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