Re: [Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-30 Thread Michael Keuter
>Miguel Paolino wrote:
>>
>>
>>  2009/4/29 David Kerr mailto:da...@kerr.net>>
>>
>>  I just came across Fax for Asterisk. It is free for a single
>>  channel.  Are you saying that the binaries that digium provide for
>>  download will not work with Astlinux ?
>>
>>
>>  Hi to all,
>>  I've been "listening" for quite a while... I think I can answer that one.
>>
>>  Most probably yes, they wont work as they don't provide binaries
>>  compiled against uClibc. It's the same problem with g729 channel,
>>  chan_skype and every other binary distributed by that company. On the
>>  technical side, you could probably find some way to run them,
>>  considering you have the code to compile or an alternative compiled
>>  version like the uclibc g729.
>>
>>  The legal issues involved are a completely different matter, and as as
>>  far as I know, the Astlinux proyect won't distribute anything not legal
>>  (I totally agree).
>
>The source is not available.  At this time, there is no legal g729 codec
>or any known chan_skype or this fax channel that is available for
>Astlinux.  We continue to work with Digium to convince them to compile a
>binary, but they have been unwilling to do so at this point due to
>support issues and the requirement to compile new versions if/when they
>make changes or we make certain changes to Astlinux.
>
>If there were enough demand, Digium might make a business decision to
>provide the binaries.  Time will tell, but based on past history, don't
>hold your breathe.
>
>Darrick
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>DJH Solutions, LLC
>http://www.djhsolutions.com

Well I will be at the amoocon in Rostock (European Asterisk 
Conference) at next Monday.
http://www.amoocon.de/

I will hopefully have the chance to talk to Kevin Flemming and Mark 
Spencer from Digium.

If you (devels) you could provide an exact formulation, what we need 
for Astlinux, I could give that to them or talk about it.

Michael

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-29 Thread Darrick Hartman (lists)
Miguel Paolino wrote:
> 
> 
> 2009/4/29 David Kerr mailto:da...@kerr.net>>
> 
> I just came across Fax for Asterisk. It is free for a single
> channel.  Are you saying that the binaries that digium provide for
> download will not work with Astlinux ?
> 
> 
> Hi to all,
> I've been "listening" for quite a while... I think I can answer that one.
> 
> Most probably yes, they wont work as they don't provide binaries 
> compiled against uClibc. It's the same problem with g729 channel, 
> chan_skype and every other binary distributed by that company. On the 
> technical side, you could probably find some way to run them, 
> considering you have the code to compile or an alternative compiled 
> version like the uclibc g729.
> 
> The legal issues involved are a completely different matter, and as as 
> far as I know, the Astlinux proyect won't distribute anything not legal 
> (I totally agree).

The source is not available.  At this time, there is no legal g729 codec 
or any known chan_skype or this fax channel that is available for 
Astlinux.  We continue to work with Digium to convince them to compile a 
binary, but they have been unwilling to do so at this point due to 
support issues and the requirement to compile new versions if/when they 
make changes or we make certain changes to Astlinux.

If there were enough demand, Digium might make a business decision to 
provide the binaries.  Time will tell, but based on past history, don't 
hold your breathe.

Darrick
-- 
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DJH Solutions, LLC
http://www.djhsolutions.com

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Re: [Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-29 Thread Miguel Paolino
2009/4/29 David Kerr 

> I just came across Fax for Asterisk. It is free for a single channel.  Are
> you saying that the binaries that digium provide for download will not work
> with Astlinux ?
>

Hi to all,
I've been "listening" for quite a while... I think I can answer that one.

Most probably yes, they wont work as they don't provide binaries compiled
against uClibc. It's the same problem with g729 channel, chan_skype and
every other binary distributed by that company. On the technical side, you
could probably find some way to run them, considering you have the code to
compile or an alternative compiled version like the uclibc g729.

The legal issues involved are a completely different matter, and as as far
as I know, the Astlinux proyect won't distribute anything not legal (I
totally agree).

Let's hear the developers :)





>
> Thanks
> David
>
>
>  On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Darrick Hartman <
> dhart...@djhsolutions.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom Lynn wrote:
>> > What are the odds the new fax code will make it into Astlinux?
>>
>> Honestly very slim.  It will require a binary blob the same as
>> codec_g729.so which we've been lobbying for several years.  Basically
>> Digium won't do it unless there are enough people from the Astlinux
>> community who would use it to justify their resources.
>>
>> We've made several offers to provide a build environment, but so far,
>> it's WAY down on their list if it ever will happen.
>>
>> I would definitely not hold your breath.  I guess Kevin Fleming is the
>> person who needs to be convinced there is a need/demand.  I have not had
>> a chance to contact him directly, but had been working through Jared
>> Smith and later John Todd.
>>
>> When I get a chance, I'll write something to Kevin regarding each of
>> these binary blobs.  The g729 stuff is the one that burns me the most
>> personally because we did gather a fairly significant number of
>> signatures several years back and I personally bought several license to
>> be used with Astlinux when they did provide the binary for Asterisk 1.2.
>>  So obviously, they CAN do it, but are currently choosing not to for
>> one reason or another.  The chan_skype stuff looks interesting (as does
>> the fax stuff to a lesser degree for me).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Darrick
>>
>>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-29 Thread David Kerr
I just came across Fax for Asterisk. It is free for a single channel.  Are
you saying that the binaries that digium provide for download will not work
with Astlinux ?
Thanks
David

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Darrick Hartman  wrote:

> Tom Lynn wrote:
> > What are the odds the new fax code will make it into Astlinux?
>
> Honestly very slim.  It will require a binary blob the same as
> codec_g729.so which we've been lobbying for several years.  Basically
> Digium won't do it unless there are enough people from the Astlinux
> community who would use it to justify their resources.
>
> We've made several offers to provide a build environment, but so far,
> it's WAY down on their list if it ever will happen.
>
> I would definitely not hold your breath.  I guess Kevin Fleming is the
> person who needs to be convinced there is a need/demand.  I have not had
> a chance to contact him directly, but had been working through Jared
> Smith and later John Todd.
>
> When I get a chance, I'll write something to Kevin regarding each of
> these binary blobs.  The g729 stuff is the one that burns me the most
> personally because we did gather a fairly significant number of
> signatures several years back and I personally bought several license to
> be used with Astlinux when they did provide the binary for Asterisk 1.2.
>  So obviously, they CAN do it, but are currently choosing not to for
> one reason or another.  The chan_skype stuff looks interesting (as does
> the fax stuff to a lesser degree for me).
>
> Regards,
>
> Darrick
>
>
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Re: [Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-19 Thread Darrick Hartman
Tom Lynn wrote:
> What are the odds the new fax code will make it into Astlinux?

Honestly very slim.  It will require a binary blob the same as 
codec_g729.so which we've been lobbying for several years.  Basically 
Digium won't do it unless there are enough people from the Astlinux 
community who would use it to justify their resources.

We've made several offers to provide a build environment, but so far, 
it's WAY down on their list if it ever will happen.

I would definitely not hold your breath.  I guess Kevin Fleming is the 
person who needs to be convinced there is a need/demand.  I have not had 
a chance to contact him directly, but had been working through Jared 
Smith and later John Todd.

When I get a chance, I'll write something to Kevin regarding each of 
these binary blobs.  The g729 stuff is the one that burns me the most 
personally because we did gather a fairly significant number of 
signatures several years back and I personally bought several license to 
be used with Astlinux when they did provide the binary for Asterisk 1.2. 
  So obviously, they CAN do it, but are currently choosing not to for 
one reason or another.  The chan_skype stuff looks interesting (as does 
the fax stuff to a lesser degree for me).

Regards,

Darrick

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[Astlinux-users] Digium's New Fax Stuff

2009-04-19 Thread Tom Lynn
What are the odds the new fax code will make it into Astlinux?
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