Re: atom:updated handling

2006-02-15 Thread James M Snell

I personally think that the feedvalidator is being too anal about
updated handling.  Entries with the same atom:id value MUST have
different updated values, but the spec says nothing about entries with
different atom:id's.

- James

James Yenne wrote:
 I'm using the feedvalidtor.org to validate a feed with entries
 containing atom:updated that may have the same datetime, although
 different atom:id. The validator complains that two entries cannot have
 the same value for atom:updated. I generate these feeds and the
 generator uses the current datetime, which may be exactly the same. I
 don't understand why the validator should care about these
 updated values from different entries per atom:id - these are totally
 unrelated entries.   Is the validator wrong?  It seems that otherwise I
 have to play tricks to make these entries have different updated within
 the feed.
  
 I'm not sure how this relates to the thread More on atom:id handling
  
 Thanks,
 James



Re: atom:updated handling

2006-02-15 Thread Walter Underwood

It doesn't hurt to point it out. It could catch some developer errors.
But it doesn't make an invalid feed. --wunder

--On February 15, 2006 4:25:35 PM -0800 James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I personally think that the feedvalidator is being too anal about
 updated handling.  Entries with the same atom:id value MUST have
 different updated values, but the spec says nothing about entries with
 different atom:id's.
 
 - James
 
 James Yenne wrote:
 I'm using the feedvalidtor.org to validate a feed with entries
 containing atom:updated that may have the same datetime, although
 different atom:id. The validator complains that two entries cannot have
 the same value for atom:updated. I generate these feeds and the
 generator uses the current datetime, which may be exactly the same. I
 don't understand why the validator should care about these
 updated values from different entries per atom:id - these are totally
 unrelated entries.   Is the validator wrong?  It seems that otherwise I
 have to play tricks to make these entries have different updated within
 the feed.
  
 I'm not sure how this relates to the thread More on atom:id handling
  
 Thanks,
 James
 
 



--
Walter Underwood
Principal Software Architect, Autonomy



Re: atom:updated handling

2006-02-15 Thread A. Pagaltzis

* Walter Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-02-16 01:40]:
It doesn't hurt to point it out. It could catch some developer
errors. But it doesn't make an invalid feed. --wunder

The validator does not say the feed is invalid. It merely throws
a warning, saying the feed is valid but may cause problems for
some users.

I think that’s still too much – it’s certainly not on par with
other warnings for SHOULD-level requirements (f.ex., a feed
missing a `rel=self` link will validate with a warning).

Regards,
-- 
Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/



Re: atom:updated handling

2006-02-15 Thread Phil Ringnalda

On 2/15/06, Walter Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It doesn't hurt to point it out. It could catch some developer errors.
 But it doesn't make an invalid feed. --wunder

Which is why the message you are given is found at
http://feedvalidator.org/docs/warning/DuplicateUpdated.html with the
accent on the */warning/*.

Patches that will make that more clear are welcome.

Phil Ringnalda