Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-19 Thread Tassilo Horn 
jfbu  writes:

Hi!

> Thanks for the help (doing (unload-feature 'tex-site) in my .emacs
> before (package-initialize) solved my problem)

Oh, thanks for testing that.  I hope I remember that until the next
Ubuntu user can't figure out how to make Emacs use the ELPA version of
AUCTeX instead of the system version.

Bye,
Tassilo

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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-19 Thread jfbu 
Le 17/09/2016 à 18:03, Mosè Giordano a écrit :
> Hi Tassilo and Jean-Francois,
> 
> 2016-09-16 17:40 GMT+02:00 Tassilo Horn :
>> Please check your system's `site-run-file'.  That's probably
>> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el.  I presume there's some code
>> in it which forcefully loads the site-lisp AUCTeX version.  There could
>> also be "a default init file" /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/default.el
>> doing something such.
> 
> In Debian there is an empty /etc/emacs/site-start.el file, but the
> directory /etc/emacs/site-start.d has some configuration files.  If a
> user installs the "auctex" package, there will be a "50auctex.el" file
> in that directory.  This file starts with the following comment:
> 
> ;;; This is a conffile: you can edit it if you like
> 
> Thus, users can either customize it in order to load this version of
> the package only if there isn't an ELPA package for AUCTeX, or
> completely comment the file.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mosè
>

Hi Mosè

I confirm the existence of the 50auctex.el file
in /etc/emacs/site-start.d

here are its contents

;;; This is a conffile: you can edit it if you like; however,
;;; please note that if you do not want AUCTeX to override the standard
;;; Emacs TeX mode, you may unload AUCTeX completely by evaluating the
;;; form "(unload-feature 'tex-site)" (i.e., put that string into your
;;; "~/.emacs" to disable AUCTeX completely).

(if (member debian-emacs-flavor '(emacs23 emacs24 emacs-snapshot))
(if (file-exists-p "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/tex.el")
(progn
  (let ((list '((lisp . "auctex") (source . "auctex"
(while list
  (let ((elt (car list)))
(cond
 ((equal 'lisp (car elt))
  (let ((dir (concat "/usr/share/"
 (symbol-name debian-emacs-flavor)
 "/site-lisp/" (cdr elt
(when (file-directory-p dir)
  (if (fboundp 'debian-pkg-add-load-path-item)
  (debian-pkg-add-load-path-item dir)
(add-to-list 'load-path dir 'append)
 ((equal 'source (car elt))
  (let ((dir (concat "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/"
 (cdr elt
(when (file-directory-p dir)
  (add-to-list 'load-path dir 'append))
  (setq list (cdr list
  (load "auctex.el")
  (load "preview-latex.el"))
  (message "auctex: Package removed but not purged; skipping setup")))

this is all on $ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
Release:16.04
Codename:   xenial

Thanks for the help (doing (unload-feature 'tex-site) in my .emacs before
(package-initialize) solved my problem)

(for the record I have no special privileges on this system)

Jean-Francois 



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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-19 Thread jfbu 
Le 16/09/2016 à 17:40, Tassilo Horn a écrit :
> jfbu  writes:
> 
> Hi Jean-Francois,
> 
>> and the load-path is 
>> load-path is a variable defined in `C source code'.
>> Its value is
>> ("/home/userX/.emacs.d/elpa/auctex-11.89.5/" "/home/userX/.emacsaddons" 
>> "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/latex-cjk-thai" [...]
> Hm, in the load-path, the ELPA version is before the site-lisp version,
> so in theory it should win...
> 
>> is there some other path variable to customize in order for locally
>> elpa installed AucTeX to be the one picked up ?
> 
> Please check your system's `site-run-file'.  
> That's probably
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el.  


site-run-file is a variable defined in `startup.el'.
Its value is "site-start"

the repertory is /usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/

but I now I have found


/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/

which does not contain a site-start.el

but
  /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:
  total used in directory 280 available 1307640
  drwxr-xr-x 7 root root  4096 août  30 13:26 .
  drwxr-xr-x 5 root root  4096 août   8 12:39 ..
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   268 févr.  3  2016 asy-init.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17004 févr.  6  2016 asy-keywords.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 71223 févr.  3  2016 asy-mode.el
  drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  4096 août   8 13:12 auctex
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   324 nov.  19  2015 auctex.el
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 août   8 12:39 autoconf
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  5625 mai   21  2014 debian-startup.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7814 août  27  2012 desktop-entry-mode.el
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 juil. 19 22:46 dictionaries-common
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 août   8 13:12 latex-cjk-common
  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 août   8 13:12 latex-cjk-thai
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11133 mai   15  2013 ltx-help.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22974 août  17 02:31 M2.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  7825 août  17 02:31 M2-emacs-hlp.txt
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1832 août  17 02:31 M2-emacs.m2
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   595 août  17 02:31 M2-init.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root95 août  17 02:31 M2-mode.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   366 août  17 02:31 M2-README
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41844 août  17 02:31 M2-symbols.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1513 nov.  19  2015 preview-latex.el
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14488 nov.  19  2015 tex-site.el

hence we find an auctex in there (I recall from many years ago
that this has been for a long time in AUCTeX installs, before
I switched to ELPA)

;;; auctex.el
;;
;; This can be used for starting up AUCTeX.  The following somewhat
;; strange trick causes tex-site.el to be loaded in a way that can be
;; safely undone using (unload-feature 'tex-site).
;;
(autoload 'TeX-load-hack
  (expand-file-name "tex-site.el" (file-name-directory load-file-name)))
(TeX-load-hack)

I tried thus modifying my .emacs so


(cond ((>= emacs-major-version 24)
   (setq custom-file "/home/userX/.emacs.d/custom.el")
   (setq load-path (cons "/home/userX/.emacsaddons" load-path))
   (unload-feature 'tex-site);;; DON'T USE ANTEQUATED SYSTEM AUCTEX
   (load-file "/home/burnol/.emacs.d/init.el")
   (package-initialize)
   )
  )

and it works !

(I am on very tight schedule, I just initialized a bug-report from
a tex buffer and I get a window To: bug-auc...@gnu.org Subject: 11.89.5; 
from which I deduced the problem is solved)

thanks for the help

Jean-François


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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-17 Thread Carlos 
jfbu  writes:

> after the system upgrade I removed my local /bin etc... from PATH and started 
> using the system-wide Emacs as it was already the 24.5 one; I did not however 
> test AUCTeX 11.89.3/4 in this new configuration as I immediately upgraded to 
> 11.89.5)
>
> Jean-Francois
>

excuse me Sir,  what does whereis return?

e. g. ,
whereis emacs-25. 0. 50
/usr/local/bin/emacs-25.0.50 /usr/local/bin/emacs-25.0.95

whereis emacs-24.5
/usr/local/bin/emacs-24.5

whereis emacs?
it should point to /usr/local/bin and /usr/share/

then again my system-wide is compiled. . .

take care
Carlos





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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-17 Thread Mosè Giordano 
Hi Tassilo and Jean-Francois,

2016-09-16 17:40 GMT+02:00 Tassilo Horn :
> Please check your system's `site-run-file'.  That's probably
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el.  I presume there's some code
> in it which forcefully loads the site-lisp AUCTeX version.  There could
> also be "a default init file" /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/default.el
> doing something such.

In Debian there is an empty /etc/emacs/site-start.el file, but the
directory /etc/emacs/site-start.d has some configuration files.  If a
user installs the "auctex" package, there will be a "50auctex.el" file
in that directory.  This file starts with the following comment:

;;; This is a conffile: you can edit it if you like

Thus, users can either customize it in order to load this version of
the package only if there isn't an ELPA package for AUCTeX, or
completely comment the file.

Hope this helps,
Mosè

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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-16 Thread Tassilo Horn 
jfbu  writes:

>> If my guess is correct, then I'd say that's an Ubuntu bug.
>> site-lisp.el is for stuff like setting `load-path' but no packages
>> should be forcefully loaded.  The decision which system-wide
>> installed packages are going to be used is still a user decision
>> which should not be forced on them (especially since now with ELPA
>> there's a likely chance that a user installes and wants to use a
>> newer version of a system-wide installed package).
>
> I will tell next week if something like this happens.

Ok, great.

Bye,
Tassilo

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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-16 Thread jfbu 
Hi Tassilo

Le 16 sept. 2016 à 17:40, Tassilo Horn  a écrit :

> jfbu  writes:
> 
> Hi Jean-Francois,
> 
> [...]
> Hm, in the load-path, the ELPA version is before the site-lisp version,
> so in theory it should win...
> 
>> is there some other path variable to customize in order for locally
>> elpa installed AucTeX to be the one picked up ?
> 
> Please check your system's `site-run-file'.  That's probably
> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el.  I presume there's some code
> in it which forcefully loads the site-lisp AUCTeX version.  There could
> also be "a default init file" /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/default.el
> doing something such.

Sadly when I ssh to my office I end up on another server. And there it
is Emacs 23.1.1 + AucTeX 11.86... (the latter from my /home),

apparently elpa is not possible then as (package-initialize)
is not valid, thus I can not test the problem I reported.

Besides there the /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/default.el is empty
and the /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el seems innocuous
(but this is all irrelevant to my Ubuntu 16.04 problem).

> 
> If my guess is correct, then I'd say that's an Ubuntu bug.  site-lisp.el
> is for stuff like setting `load-path' but no packages should be
> forcefully loaded.  The decision which system-wide installed packages
> are going to be used is still a user decision which should not be forced
> on them (especially since now with ELPA there's a likely chance that a
> user installes and wants to use a newer version of a system-wide
> installed package).


I will tell next week if something like this happens.

Best,

Jean-Francois
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Re: [AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-16 Thread Tassilo Horn 
jfbu  writes:

Hi Jean-Francois,

> and the load-path is 
> load-path is a variable defined in `C source code'.
> Its value is
> ("/home/userX/.emacs.d/elpa/auctex-11.89.5/" "/home/userX/.emacsaddons" 
> "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/latex-cjk-thai" 
> "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/latex-cjk-common" "/etc/emacs24" "/etc/emacs" 
> "/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp" 
> "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/dictionaries-common" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/autoconf" "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/auctex" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/dictionaries-common" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/latex-cjk-common" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/latex-cjk-thai" "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/vc" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/url" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/textmodes" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/progmodes" "/usr/share/ema
>  cs/24.5/lisp/play" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/org" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/nxml" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/net" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/mh-e" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/mail" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/leim" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/language" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/international" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/gnus" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/eshell" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/erc" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/emulation" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/emacs-lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/cedet" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/calendar" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/calc" 
> "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/obsolete" "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex")

Hm, in the load-path, the ELPA version is before the site-lisp version,
so in theory it should win...

> is there some other path variable to customize in order for locally
> elpa installed AucTeX to be the one picked up ?

Please check your system's `site-run-file'.  That's probably
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el.  I presume there's some code
in it which forcefully loads the site-lisp AUCTeX version.  There could
also be "a default init file" /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/default.el
doing something such.

If my guess is correct, then I'd say that's an Ubuntu bug.  site-lisp.el
is for stuff like setting `load-path' but no packages should be
forcefully loaded.  The decision which system-wide installed packages
are going to be used is still a user decision which should not be forced
on them (especially since now with ELPA there's a likely chance that a
user installes and wants to use a newer version of a system-wide
installed package).

Bye,
Tassilo


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[AUCTeX] elpa installed auctex is not the one used

2016-09-16 Thread jfbu 
Hi,

on an Ubuntu 16.04 (no admin rights) with Emacs 24.5 I installed
latest auctex via elpa, but it is the site-lisp one which is seen

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.18.9)
 of 2016-04-17 on lgw01-04, modified by Debian
Package: 2014-11-01

current state:
==
(setq
 AUCTeX-date "2014-11-01"
 window-system 'x
 LaTeX-version "2e"
 TeX-style-path '("/var/lib/auctex/emacs24/" 
"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex/style" "/home/userX/.emacs.d/auctex/auto"
  "/home/userX/.emacs.d/auctex/style" "auto" "style")

In my .emacs file I have 

(cond ((>= emacs-major-version 24)
   (setq custom-file "/home/userX/.emacs.d/custom.el")
   (setq load-path (cons "/home/userX/.emacsaddons" load-path))
   (load-file "/home/userX/.emacs.d/init.el")
   (package-initialize)
   )
  )

and the load-path is 
load-path is a variable defined in `C source code'.
Its value is
("/home/userX/.emacs.d/elpa/auctex-11.89.5/" "/home/userX/.emacsaddons" 
"/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/latex-cjk-thai" 
"/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/latex-cjk-common" "/etc/emacs24" "/etc/emacs" 
"/usr/local/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp" "/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp" 
"/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/dictionaries-common" 
"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/autoconf" "/usr/share/emacs24/site-lisp/auctex" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/dictionaries-common" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/latex-cjk-common" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/site-lisp/latex-cjk-thai" "/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/vc" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/url" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/textmodes" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/progmodes" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/play" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/org" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/nxml" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/net" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/mh-e" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/mail" "/usr/share
 /emacs/24.5/lisp/leim" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/language" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/international" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/gnus" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/eshell" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/erc" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/emulation" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/emacs-lisp" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/cedet" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/calendar" 
"/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/calc" "/usr/share/emacs/24.5/lisp/obsolete" 
"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex")

When I do list-packages the 11.89.5 is reported as correctly installed.

is there some other path variable to customize in order for locally elpa 
installed AucTeX to be the one picked up ?

before the system upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 I did not have that issue; I was then 
using a self-compiled Emacs 24.5 as the system the provided only Emacs 23; 
after the system upgrade I removed my local /bin etc... from PATH and started 
using the system-wide Emacs as it was already the 24.5 one; I did not however 
test AUCTeX 11.89.3/4 in this new configuration as I immediately upgraded to 
11.89.5)

Jean-Francois







"/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/auctex")
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