Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I'll be getting a Win10 laptop in a few days, 8 g,gs ram and 1 tb hard drive, so I'll be able to judge the worth of all 3 major systems, Mac, Linux, and Windows. I wanted to like Android, but 5.0.1, and the keyboard sticking issue, software I know, made that impossible. So, Uncle, I say in defeat. Windows here I am. I'll keep Linux on the Mac, unless something apple does impresses me enough to put os back on it, but I don't know. Ugh. It's sad, wanting to support freedom, but the creator of Orca is trying so hard, but it has to be a fully group effort, her alone can't do all this that needs doing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=278226#p278226 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I think I'll stay with win 10. LOL URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=278078#p278078 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. OK, speaking of that, can you please give me linux virtual machines?Is that I cannot I say, i'm nervous to install Linux in my hd because the I don't know, I cannot switch back to windows! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277450#p277450 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. hmm, did you use the actual arch live media, or talking arch, I've used talking arch since I doubt I could get speech any other way during the install. I've tried stormdragon's buildscript, and that sure gets the job done but it installs way too much software. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277372#p277372 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Hmm, I've always started X with xinit and it works fine for me. This was a fresh install of Arch and I know Mate was running because I could hit CTRL+Alt+Del and space to shut down; Orca just wouldn't start. Suppose I could've figured out the problem but I really didn't feel like it haha. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277328#p277328 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I've always installed using the talking arch live media, but then put gnome or mate on there plus x11, lightdm and gtk_greeter. I've never been able to start my desktop by startx or putting lightdm in the .xinitrc file like I've read you can, but I just log in through that greeter and it works. orca will not come up automatically, but you can usually start it with super S, or super then type orca, or alt F2 then type orca or whatever your desktop calls for. sometimes I will ahve to do orca --replace because it screws up and dies. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277314#p277314 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Well apparently something is broken or incompatible and Orca won't speak on a fresh install of Arch. Think I just demonstrated my own point nicely. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277311#p277311 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Seems to be just one dev working on Orca right now, along with another one on speech-dispatcher which might as well be a part of it. Not sure about brltty or at-spi. I believe the situation is the same for GTK+ though I'm not positive (just heard somewhere that there is only one full-time dev) so this isn't limited to just the accessibility stuff.Edit: Who am I kidding...I'm bored with a lot of time on my hands and have a spare desktop. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277282#p277282 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Seems to be just one dev working on Orca right now, along with another one on speech-dispatcher which might as well be a part of it. Not sure about brltty or at-spi. I believe the situation is the same for GTK+ though I'm not positive (just heard somewhere that there is only one full-time dev) so this isn't limited to just the accessibility stuff. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277282#p277282 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Wasn't it just one employee from Canonical working on orca there for a while, good to hear there's some improvements going on in that sphere. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277278#p277278 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Well all that being said, looking at Orca's git repository's change log there seem to be some pretty significant rewrites happening; maybe I'll give it another go in a month or so and see how much better it is. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277272#p277272 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Yeah, the Linux accessibility stack is a huge mess, on top of the audio stack which is another mess. I've tried and tried to be happy with Linux but just can't because of all the little workarounds I have to do to even approach the level of efficiency I have on Windows. Orca doesn't have an object review system and is a little too verbose for my liking (though I'm kind of nitpicking with that one), speech-dispatcher is buggy (I ended up having to have a script to kill it on my desktop), a lot of stuff isn't accessible as previously mentioned, etc. To demonstrate just go to the front page of Reddit and read the list of subreddits at the top. Orca will choke. Try to upvote something and you can't click the button without using Orca's list (time you could be actually reading). Of course Reddit isn't the most productive site, but it makes for a good demonstration. If I had a paying job that required me to use my personal device and I couldn' ;t complete some task because pulseaudio or speech-dispatcher or whatever else refused to work for whatever dumb reason that would take hours to figure out, I doubt my employer would be too happy.Don't get me wrong, I think Linux is great in principal, but for day to day use I need shit to work. Windows is an ugly bloated mess, but it's an accessible one. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277076#p277076 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Well ì sim some asistance can you give me accesible linux vỉtual machines? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277072#p277072 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. @8: Hmm, I've never had any issues with Orca. I'm using ESpeak, and I'm not having any problems with latency, or interrupting the speech. I also use PulseAudio with Speakup and Orca, though it did require a workaround to get them working together.I'm using a hyperthreaded quadcore CPU with 8GB of RAM. My desktop manager is Xfce, a lightweight desktop manager primarily meant for low budget computers, such as netbooks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277043#p277043 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. @5 your reasons are basically my own. I also don't like the fact that the synths are not interruptable, or they are to a very low level, as in, not very responsive, I've had to flush orca's buffer at times. I also think speech dispatcher needs to be rewritten due to latency there, its worse with desktops like Unity, and gets better with Gnome or Mate. Either that or synths need to interface directly with Orca like they do with NVDA with certain addons. Of course that is easy to say but not necessarily easy to accomplish programatically, I am not a developer at all.@6 Linux is great, that's for sure, I have run it as a fulltime OS for a while, but switched to windows again because of games and improved accessibility. I would love it if Orca was made to be as quick and speedy as NVDA or other windows screen readers. Unfortunately, I don't think Linux accessibility is where it should be at, or at the level I would need to run it completely. I mess with it on a VM now, as I've found dual booting causes problems with windows.Pulseaudio, hm, its a bitch if you have Speakup on the console and Orca on the desktop. Speakup prefers Alsa while Orca prefers Pulse, and I've gotten orca slash speech dispatcher on alsa before, but it wasn't easy, however, I'm not a linux expert and I'm sure someone could tell me a better way of doing it.Guess that's it, rambly post lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277032#p277032 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I'm with Devinprater. I actually use Arch Linux, the distro that Sonar is loosely based on. I say loosely because Sonar is based on Manjaro Linux, and Manjaro is based on Arch.I switched in March of last year, and I haven't looked back. True, I still have a Mac, but these days, I usually only use it to manage my iPhone and Apple Watch, and to play Windows games in a VM. At least 95% of my daily activity is on Linux.Like all platforms, it does have a few accessibility bugs here and there, but I wouldn't consider any of them showstoppers.For the first time Linux user, I'd recommend either Sonar or Ubuntu. For people who are a little more familiar with Linux, though, I'd go with Arch Linux, or possibly even Gentoo. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277027#p277027 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I like that I can do just about anything with it, without being barred by some corporation that doesn't give a crap about me. Apple? Gotta pay $100 to be featured in their ghost town of A PC app store. Microsoft? You hereby consent to be spied on, day and night from your webcam and microphone possibly, browsing habits, programs launched, Cortana queries definitely. Google? Who freaking knows anymore. But with Linux, your computer is your own, and you can make of it what you wish. And, if you have the skills which I don't, you can make something that wasn't available before. A whole new program to bless the world with. Like audio games and synthesizers. Young devs who're stuck to Windows, Linux is waiting with open arms, ready to accept whatever computer and development skills you have. But I can do all that I did on the Mac, on Linux now. Maybe even more, with this lovely Youtube downloader program and all sorts of emulators! and no more having to jump to anoth er element just to read an incoming Instant Message! Gosh, Voiceover sucked in that regard. With orca and pidgin, and any sensible screen reader and Messenger, I can just sit back and listen to the conversation as it happens. Ugh, Voiceover for the mac. Looking back, the whole platform was very accessible, but not all that user accommodating. Sure, there was Apple script, but I didn't need to program that into Orca, it came like that, ready to talk. So, why not try out Linux, developers and other users? Why not boot it up and spend a few hours on it, setting up email, loving the feel of having Firefox, Mac users, and enjoying the freedom of being able to mold the computer into what you want it to be. I recommend Sonar, as the creator of that distro is pretty open-minded, and fixes things extremely quickly. Y'all have no idea how dedicated he is to making Linux as amazing for us as it is for the sighted people that use it. Also, if you think the terminal for Win10 will be e nough, remember that that is only geared towards developers, not users. If you want real Linux, you're free to download it, and taste the astounding reality that you own your computer, and all that it is. Take charge of it, and let's make amazing things happen! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=277020#p277020 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Yep, Linux is great, but I was unable to keep it as my primary OS due to the following facts:1. None of the Linux DAW software that I've tried is accessible. On Windows we have Reaper plus a bunch of VST plugins not available for Linux.2. Web browsing with Orca seamed to me somewhat buggy at times. Plus I can't run flash videos easily like with NVDA. Adobe Flash Player for Linux is also discontinued as far as I know, but many websites still don't wanna switch to html5.3. Linux has a small number of speech synthesizers available. On Windows we have Vocalizer and Acapela, both available for NVDA, plus a lot more.4. We are on audiogames forum, and we all know that 99% of games are windows-compatible, excluding those made for mobile devices. OK, running an audio game through Wine or VM shouldn't be a problem, but running DAW software with VST Plugins in a VM could be problematic due to slower performance.Also, after purchasing some sof tware and games for Windows, I can't switch to Linux completely.5. I also sometimes ran into problems with PulseAudio, that are hard to fix if you lose sound support as a blind person.What I like in Linux:1. Good for software development. Many development tools and dependencies already installed by default.2. Very fast and low on ram and CPU usage with lightwate GUIs such as Mate.3. Software is easy to install thanks to package managers.4. No registry like in Windows, no constant background work to slow down your pc.5. Rolling release distros available, which means you install once and get lifetime updates with no need to reinstall the os or reboot the system in most cases.6. No need to install drivers! Although Windows autodetects hardware in it's database, there still may be devices needing manual driver installation. On Linux even braille displays are automatically detected with no need to install manufacturer driver, than ks to BRLTTY. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275416#p275416 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Hmmm.I guess if I was starting again I'd skip windows get a mac and vm or well use linux.My issue is I have brought so many programs, gaming is only possible mostly on windows.I have audacity, goldwave, cd burner xp, and a host of other things I use on windows.Some of which I have brought.I have invested a lot of cash into windows software so I can't just leave it.If I need a vm to use windows then I may as well use windows realtime as its a lot faster. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275331#p275331 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. I need to be able to do multi track and trim and cut audio and mix audio at different points in time. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275256#p275256 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: 1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. Hi, for simple audio editing, effects such as tempo, speed, combining multiple files, etc, have you tried sox? it's a command line "swis army knife of audio editing", according to its man page. Audacity, certain components are accessible with flat review such as the spin boxes and radio buttons in the effects dialog boxes, along with the preview options. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=275211#p275211 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux.
1 thing holding me back from switching to Linux. One of the only things holding me back from switching to Linux is audacity with Orca. It will not read dialogs and it will not read the selection bar. I would really like to fix this and maybe find a audio editor that is accessible in Linux. Would anyone have any advise for me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=274999#p274999 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
