Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? I use Abbyyfine reader for stuff that needs to be OCR'd. It's got some accessibility "fun" and is expensive, but it works better than Kurzweil and is also cheaper by far. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564503/#p564503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? @10:If they aren't math or science, just open them in MS word, I have 2016 edition, and it does the job very well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564490/#p564490 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Hello, folks..And for normal books?? There are files that are scanned which chrome won't read. Is there a good software to read these files? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564469/#p564469 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Honestly for math I did with tuters I couldn't find anything readable properly, online information about these stuff are so random in mailinglist or some forums here and there but nothing like a tutorial that really helps.Even lateX conversion I didn't know about, and yes I manually wrote notes in braille using human readers and had much less access to information than my classmates, for instance solving previous exams or things like that again requires much time from others to read and write etc.+more money to spend for tuters.I am almost done with B.C in cs, but my math grades are bad and I am not even sure if that i am really horrible in math or it is lack of access for me. Even the exams someone wrote for me, so sometimes things get so long I lose track, such as in calculus2 or statistics.thank god I managed to pass all of them, the only math left for me is linear algebra.for PDF in general I use either bookworm or google chrome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564442/#p564442 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Oh yes,I am so happy to see this topic, and other blind folkes talking about dealing with math.Mine was a bad ride, and it wasn't even computer science or physics. I went with askey text, and it was lot of pain. But I preferred it because other people, even sighted folkes could read through and help me with that. Lots of symbols were missing, but I made up lots of them with weird other symbols." ` for Beta" for example. My teachers cooperated, but I wrote my exams with a writer, whenever there was math involved.I am very sure if I had a braille display or something, the thing would have been smoother and gpa in merit category. It's distinction now, and I am trying not complaining. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564312/#p564312 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Ideally, whenever notation-heavy literature is involved, I like to get a LaTeX source file. Depending on the nature of the notation, I may run it through Pandoc to get it in HTML or Microsoft Word formats. You can also use Duxbury to translate it into Braille, which I must say was the perfect workflow for me in my higher-level calculus courses.I contend that LaTeX is the most useful format. It's what a lot of STEM professionals use because it's a language that's concerned predominantly with content rather than presentation. That is to say it has a default process for presenting the content to readers, but authors have the capability of adjusting settings to align the presentation more closely with what they want.Edit: Agreed with @6. LaTeX is my way of writing notation beyond English. It takes just one command to render it to a PDF to distribute to anyone. You could even do your own work this way, although you may find it tedious. I know I did.I will also heavily emphasize the necessity for Braille when it comes to math. I haven't used the literacy for anything other than calculus, and was able to grasp the concepts far better and more quickly because of it. Everything else in my CS classes up until this point I've done with speech, but math is where I used Braille constantly. In fact, I didn't even worry about MathML, Math Player, etc. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564277/#p564277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Ideally, whenever notation-heavy literature is involved, I like to get a LaTeX source file. Depending on the nature of the notation, I may run it through Pandoc to get it in HTML or Microsoft Word formats. You can also use Duxbury to translate it into Braille, which I must say was the perfect workflow for me in my higher-level calculus courses.I contend that LaTeX is the most useful format. It's what a lot of STEM professionals use because it's a language that's concerned predominantly with content rather than presentation. That is to say it has a default process for presenting the content to readers, but authors have the capability of adjusting settings to align the presentation more closely with what they want. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564277/#p564277 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? @5I'm not saying the context on the content matters, I'm saying that math being contextual like that makes OCR basically impossible.Your absolutely best bet here is braille, in terms of being able to quickly reference formulas. So much so that if you don't know it, I'd suggest learning the basics of Nemeth just for this purpose. I think braille is mostly useless after high school, except for math, where it's by far the best option and faster than speech. Of course this may not be super helpful if you don't have someone to teach it, and /or if you can't get someone to convert the materials.For physics/math formulas specifically, if you know what they're called, you can get them from Wikipedia. You'll need to create an account, log in, find the math rendering settings wherever they are, and toggle them to the one that gives you images with alt text as LaTeX. I forget the exact steps because once you've done it it's done, and I did it years ago when they switched to MathML for accessibility, which was a very sad day until I found out it was possible to get the old behavior back. This will give you something readable enough that you can convert it to braille or somesuch yourself as needed or, if you're me or a few other people I know, you'll just read it directly.In general for higher education, being able to read and write the math subset of LaTeX is invaluable. If you do the above, you'll be able to learn it just from practice on Wikipedia, in fact I used to call it "that Wikipedia math thing" and didn't even know it had a proper name until years after I discovered it was readable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564276/#p564276 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Thank you for the information. I think the PDFs are for the most part teacher-created. Still, I will inquire as to how they are being written. As for conversion options mentioned in post for, can somebody elaborate? If that ends up being an option, I would like to know more about how it would look like exactly. In regards to context on the content, I’m not sure yet. We just started the courses. Trouble I had was with the 60 or so physics formulas that were passed out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564273/#p564273 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Thank you for the information. I think the PDFs are for the most part teacher-created. Still, I will inquire as to how they are being written. As for conversion options mentioned in post for, can somebody elaborate? If that ends up being an option, I would like to know more about how it would look like exactly. In regards to context on the content, I’m not sure yet. We just started the courses. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564273/#p564273 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? If the PDFs are authored by professionals who know a thing or two about math/physics, they're probably doing so by writing it in LaTeX. Your best bet is to get the LaTeX source and using something like Pandoc to convert it into a more readable format you can work with. Having some context regarding the content you're trying to read would also help.To @3's point about reading mathematical notation, I also went the human reader/tutor route. It was highly effective for me. I'm most certainly not trying to discourage you from finding solutions to read the material on your own, but it is exceedingly difficult, and I don't know that anyone is working on ways to help solve the problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564268/#p564268 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? Kurzweil doesn't do math and science content. There's only one program that does, I forget what it's called, it's from someone in Japan, and it sucks enough that even once we had our hands on a copy we never used it (the instructions started at "first process all your pdfs to be exactly this resolution" and it just went downhill from there, as I recall).Chrome can sometimes pull stuff out. Surprisingly Chrome has actually become my preferred PDF reader these days for that reason. But in general despite many, many years of looking I have never found a workable solution. The closest thing are tagged PDFs with Mathplayer, but given that Mathplayer is entirely useless beyond algebra, that's of very limited utility.What's not immediately evident is that mathematics actually has more variation in formatting etc. than English, and that *all* the notation is entirely based off context. It's actually a super hard problem. Maybe someone's made more progress on it than i know about, but I'd find that surprising. There's a reason so many of us end up with human readers/tutors in college when doing a CS degree even if we'd otherwise not need them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564267/#p564267 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Good PDF converter or reader?
Re: Good PDF converter or reader? I'd recommend Kurzweil 1000. It's top of the line and very expensive, but if you're in the united states and get support from people who work with the blind, and you have a need for it, they might help you to get a license. hth URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/564254/#p564254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
