Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? i didn't mean you dude. i was talking to moonwalker. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/470020/#p470020 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
2019-10-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum? Hi,@31: I might have misunderstood your post, but Show me an example of when I bitched about the Forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/470015/#p470015 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? What 49 said. Discord is a chat client, yes; but discourse is open-source forum software that's better than most PHP-based forum software I've used. Its no exactly easy to set up (i.e. its not just "put it in your web directory and go"). URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/470013/#p470013 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? Not Discord, discourse. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469977/#p469977 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? this is for the people that calls this forum a shitthat feels like your shitting in a plate you eat from, if your not happy from this place, feel free to do what ever you wish, but dont shit in your plate, your food might get infectedsorry for the gross exam, but that is the reality URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469976/#p469976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @26Discord is not a forum platform, discord is a chat client. Discord wouldn't, in my opinion, work for a forum-type service as part of the advantage of a forum is that posts are easily accessed a long time after they were originally created. This isn't the case with discord. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469971/#p469971 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? @#45 I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469911/#p469911 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Well, less spammy I do agree, but it was all so fitting none the less.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469908/#p469908 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @#42 There were two possible alternatives. The first is he could have taken a neutral position as I did and wish them luck. Failing that, he could have said nothing at all and simply scroll past this topic as he probably does with so many others. Both of those alternatives would have been much more constructive and much less spammy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469906/#p469906 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469901/#p469901 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? Hi.Well, to be honest, what could Ironcross have said? Just laughing out loud is quite the perfect sum up of the hole situation regarding and impulsive reaction from a kid who got banned from this forum and now trys his own thing.Also at Ironcross, I can't help it but I always have to giggle at your current signature.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469899/#p469899 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? er.I wanna see this fororm. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469893/#p469893 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? @#39 Spelling error has been corrected. I do hope you understand that not feeling like it is how a lot of flame wars are started; someone says or does the wrong thing and the thread spirals out of control. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469879/#p469879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @#37 Just as it would please me to bash people on the forum that I don’t like, but I don’t do that because I know it’s wrong and I know that I would contribute nothing by doing it. Exercise caution with your actions as I try my best to do, in the end things are more peaceful that way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469871/#p469871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? I didn't feel like it, also caution is spelled C, A, U, T, I, O, N. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469876/#p469876 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? @#37 Just as it would please me to bash people on the forum that I don’t like, but I don’t do that because I know it’s wrong and I know that I would contribute nothing by doing it. Exercise cossion with your actions as I try my best to do, in the end things are more peaceful that way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469871/#p469871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? Ethin, you need to read this.**full message removed**See this postPessimism is goodIt keeps you from making stupid mistakesAnd keeps you safeThe heck with optimism URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469850/#p469850 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? @33 perhaps no need, but it pleased me so I did it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469868/#p469868 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? 7. If you are banned from the forum, you may appeal it formally, but you may not attempt to get around it and access the forum by any means. This includes creating duplicate accounts; if we discover that you have done this, your original punishment's severity will increase. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469862/#p469862 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? All I know is that short circuiting the ban process was seen as a no-no when someone did it to post a clone of one of the infamous leaked source code games produced by a previously banned member. That user got a permaban if I recall correctly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469861/#p469861 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @32, I'm no mod. But I'd beware of postin messages on the forum from banned users with you acting as an intermediary. It (technically) is an indirect evasion of a ban. What your doing is not granting the user direct access to the forum, but they have indirect access to the forum and the topics therein through you. I don't know how granular the mods want to take this though, I might be over-analyzing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469856/#p469856 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @#30 This is true. Nevertheless, there was no need for the long string of ha’s from @#4. There are more constructive ways to state displeasure with a person’s actions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469855/#p469855 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? 29. fair point. but at least do all of us a favor and quit bitching about how shit the forum is everytime you get the chance. that is pritty much what moonwalker is doing and it's so bloody annoying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469849/#p469849 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @27, I must unfortunately disagree about the arrogance remark. It is obvious (to me at least) that this forum is solely being created out of rage/anger because the maker of the forum got banned from this one and wants to try to create some competition. This has been done before, and it has always failed; what evidence is there to suggest that this will not be the case for this one? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469845/#p469845 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
2019-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum? hi,@22: I have to disagree. Even if People think this Forum is shit, they may want to leave, but they practiacally can't. The simple reason is that anything audiogame-related that is of any relevance is on here. And anybody who is somebody in the audiogaming Scene is on here.So leaving here means not being informed about audiogame stuff, and most People probabbly don't really want that.About the list, now that the Topic is small, the list in the first post is not that relevant, but once the disciplinary Actions topic gets up to a certain number of pages, the mods might want to update the first post too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469840/#p469840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
2019-10-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum? hi,@22: I have to disagree. Even if People think this Forum is shit, they may want to leave, but they practiacally can't. The simple reason is that anything audiogame-related that is of any importance is on here. And anybody who is somebody in the audiogaming Scene is on here.So leaving here means not being informed about audiogame stuff, and most People probabbly don't really want that.About the list, now that the Topic is small, the list in the first post is not that relevant, but once the disciplinary Actions topic gets up to a certain number of pages, the mods might want to update the first post too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469840/#p469840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @#4 To clarify, I have no problem with you speaking your mind - in fact I don’t exactly agree with them starting a new forum either – but there are more constructive ways of getting your point across than making a spam post on someone’s thread. I get what you were trying to tell them, but you’re not really backing up your opinions by doing that, in fact all you’re doing is making me want to discredit you. All I’m saying is, be mindful of how you voice your opinion.I really do think there should be rules against people making spam posts like this. They don’t really contribute much to the discussion and quite honestly it makes me want to stop listening to what they have to say. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469828/#p469828 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @#12 I don't think he means spammer as in spambot, I believe he’s referring to how @#4 essentially came in and started spamming his post with bwahahaha. Regardless of what you think of their forum, this post did come off as childish and arrogant. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469826/#p469826 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @16, I disagree; try discourse -- its a much better and very accessible forum platform. It doesn't use PHP or any of the traditional hosting software, so it requires a bit of knowledge to get going. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469817/#p469817 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? I won’t call the forum shit. I think volatile is a better word here... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469801/#p469801 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? 22:Sometimes the list gets overlooked. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469799/#p469799 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Liam, the problem is that the list says current punishments, current bans, and stuff. But if you only post and don't update the list, it won't be up to date. It's good that you explain everything in posts, but one of you should update the list as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469787/#p469787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? i'm pritty dam tired of people saying this forum is shit. if it's really that bad then, you know, leave? is it really that hard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469785/#p469785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Fixed. though it's not like the punishment was not documented in at least two places already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469784/#p469784 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? Hi.At 18 umm, check the most recent post please, it informs of the Ban and how it came to that.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469782/#p469782 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Hi.well, that hole storie seams sketchy to me.Post 3 said that Jaidon wanted to step back from this forum anyway.Well, according to his list of posts, up to his ban he was quite active around here still, with multiple posts aday, wanting to step back looks a bit different to me then that.But, not to sound pesemistic, I have the feeling this will go the way that Masons forum also went and is out of existance some weeks after it got released to the public.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469781/#p469781 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? It's sooo great that the disciplinary actions list is so up to date that it even didn't inform us about Jaidon's ban. Great, keep up the good work! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469779/#p469779 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? now is this belarus is jaydon or something? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469777/#p469777 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Hello,I would advise he set up a forum that uses the phpbb platform. Not only are the controls intuitive, in my experience it is the most accessible forum software I have found. If he uses that, the option to turn off kaptcha is under user registration options, and is called 'spambot countermeasures.' URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469770/#p469770 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? So, he properly got you to ask, on the forum he has been banned from, how to set up a new forum. Just, hahaha!If he really don't care that much about his ban anyway, why then even get you to ask this question on the forum? Reading documentations and search on Google is your best friend. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469768/#p469768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? You can laugh, but at least these guys try to get us out from the shit we must contribute to since there's no alternative. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469765/#p469765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? what a sad signature. pesimism is what brings down your life, it doesn't help keep you safe, it leads to depression which then in turn leads to putting yourself at risksorry, I just had to comment on that URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469760/#p469760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @Lawrence_McSu, just rofl. Call him a spammer? Um... wow? I didn't know spammers were as intelligent as Ironcross32's posts are. AI has certainly advanced quite a lot since I last checked -- which was a few days ago... or has it? Yeah, I don't think it has and your just angry that he's dissing your attempt to start a forum. I can't blame him for dissing this action since every other forum that people have tried to start has spectacularly blown up in their faces, which is no surprise because either (1) the forum is made out of anger and rage and those who make it will soon forget about its existence; (2) the forum is made but the people running it are immature and have no idea how to administrate anything other than their PCs; or (3) the people do (somewhat) know what they're doing but are too lazy to actually administrate the forum, and they make BS rules that make no sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469759/#p469759 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? He has a tendency to get overly angry about certain things when heated situations arise. In normal circumstances, he seems to be totally civil, At least in my experiences with him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469757/#p469757 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? Sry for triple postingIt uses fluxYou guys can trust Jaidon. He is very reliable and he’s putting together a good mod teamAlso why are you guys so anti-Jaidon? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469749/#p469749 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Also he’s using punhosting but he’s thinking about using his own site URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469748/#p469748 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? You spammer URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469746/#p469746 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? Another kid trying to make a forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469738/#p469738 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? @4Questionmark? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469736/#p469736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? @1: That depends on the forum software being used. Read the manual, docs, help files, etc. or contact the developers of the software. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469733/#p469733 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Our new forum? bwahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha... hahahaha, hahahahahahahahahaha, hahahahaha just... hahahahahahahahaha... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469732/#p469732 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? According to JaidonHe actually was planning to step back so the ban didn’t really affect himWe still hav work to do URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469722/#p469722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Our new forum?
Re: Our new forum? I wouldn’t be able to tell you that, but I just wanted to post to tell you that I wish you luck with this forum. I do hope this isn’t out of malice from being banned from this one, but still I wish you luck with the forum either way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469719/#p469719 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
