Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, I absolutely agree with your above phrase: The problem is a new user doesnt know where to begin or what to do to get Linux to work the way he or she wants. that is where access really breaks down because there is no access for dummies type book or tutorial that lays it all out for a new user.Orca offers some learning messages and I think it should be more acurate, but Im aware that differences between desktops would make this a lot hard.Another thing Ive seen for many distributions is that instead of documenting Orcas behavior and how tos on a particular distros documentation, the user is sent to the generic Orca documentation. Although it is probably no problem for experienced users, I think that new users may want to know the way Orca behaves on most relevant parts of the main shell of the distro he or she chose. In other words, documentation of many distros seem to be d isconnected from Orca, since the links about Universal Access (the case of Ubuntu, for example) simply send people to the generic help: that help is suited for getting information about specific questions of the screen reader such as setting, pronunciation dictionaries, braille display drivers and scripting, but it isnt the most useful for a person to know the way of applying the tricks described on introductory guides of his/her distro, explained assuming the user will not use any assistive technology. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182264#p182264 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions BTW: I heard something about the sonar Project. What do you think about this Distribution, especially in comparison to vinux or ubuntu Gnome? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182317#p182317 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
2014-07-27
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Ill leave someone else to compare Arch vs GNOME distros, but I cant forget 3 other ones that come to mind which have good accessibility:http://paldo.org/,http://fedoraproject.organd , http://trisquel.info/Oh, and of course!http://debian.org URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182326#p182326 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fedora, especially. You should look at that, if for no other reason that the packaging and policies are much more relaxed than Debian-style distros. I do think in this day and age, its realistic to value ones time, and use a distro that helps you get stuff done by tracking deps. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182351#p182351 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Have someone idea of any other distro than Ubuntu with something like Wubi? It is a Windows installation file that allow to install Ubuntu in the desired partition and add an entry to the Windows bootloader, so you can select which operating system to startup with no need of modifying the MBR. Checking the current Windows settings, this installer automates regional and language settings and detects the user name to ease initial setup. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182365#p182365 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Goodness I thought I could just jump into this one before anyone else could even reply to it. Part of the reason why I even bothered to recover this account to begin with.It does look like Hunter grunt/tward stole my thunder though. You go dude, Guy knows his stuff.I personally use Ubuntu on a daily basis. I have a laptop thats got it installed as a main operating system now as it is. I run it on a virtual machine on my new windows eight laptop that I got for Christmas last year. This year? And I can even run it as a virtual machine on the apple mini I got a few years back.I Was even able to install it with no sighted assistance what so ever.it is just as he said though. Spread sheets, document editing, even playing muds. Running your own mud, moo, mux. Mush server is possible on all my boxes, towers. Whatever theyre calling them now.Ive been meaning to try v-Linux, but never got around to it. I really should run it through its pases over here. See what I can make it crank out.Well, theres my two sense worth in. Ill just creep over in this direction now and check out the other threads while Im here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182143#p182143 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Im still using Arch as a secondary OS, though for now I mostly use Windows, since applications such as Firefox, while decently accessible, do have some outstanding problems that havent been resolved for as least 7 version, like text on websites being skipped, say all sometimes not working properly, and edit fields being a pain to navigate. In addition, much as I like the design philosophies of Unix-like operating systems (though Linux seems to be diverging from that as of late), especially those of Arch, some things, managing bluetooth devices for example, which I deal with fairly often are still extremely inconvenient. From a technical standpoint the architecture of Linux makes a lot more sense than Windows imho, and its pretty easy to understand once you get the hang of it. So, I use it, but if productivity or efficiency is concerned and a lot of web browsing is involved Ill switch over to Windows in a hurry. Id like to be able to go totally command -line, but elinks always gives me a huge headache every time I try to use it for web browsing, and Id like a decent list-based file manager so I dont have to type out long case-sensitive filenames and constantly look back at the name to make sure Im doing it right. Mc might work for this with some tweaking, havent played around with it too much yet. Anyway all that will be pretty irrelivant for a beginner, so I appologize, but in my experience, if you use Linux for any good length of time youre going to end up getting involved with the CLI whether you like it or not, so youll definitely want to become familiar with it. The MATE desktop, if you can get it installed, is pretty nice. Its an actively developed continuation of Gnome 2, so it uses menus as opposed to a search box and applications view as in Unity or gnome-shell, and its much lighter on resources than those two. As Tward said, libreoffice, gedit, pidgin and totem are all pret ty accessible, though personally I use VLC for most media-related stuff. Also if you ever do decide to dedicate an entire box to Linux, virtualbox is accessible, so you could install Windows in a virtual environment provided you have enough RAM on Linux and switch between the two when something doesnt work, just make sure you install the qt-at-spi package first. Not extreme beginner territory, but its not too difficult to set up. All that being said, Orca can be very buggy and extremely frustrating in some places, so you should expect to do some fiddling around with it even if you do stick to the most accessible applications.HTH URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182146#p182146 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, I think at this point the biggest issue a new Linux user has with Linux as far as accessibility goes is simply his or her unfamiliarity with the operating system, screen reader, and the graphical desktop he or she may be using. It is those kinds of things that makes or breaks a persons end user experience with Linux.For example, in your post above you mentioned having problems reading certain help topics in Gnome or Unity. What probably was never explained to you in order to read a help topic in help you first have to enable carrot browsing with f7. If you dont do that the help system is going to appear inaccessible and problematic for a screen reader user. Its a classic case of something being accessible, but the end user not knowing what to do to use the technology. So since you didnt know what to do to make the help browser accessible you assumed it wasnt.The more I spend time with new Linux users, those who come from Windows , I find lack of knowledge accounts for the better part of access issues. Im not saying there arent any legitimate access issues, there certainly are, but often times there is a quick or simple workaround for an access issue that the end user simply didnt know about because they assumed access should work one way and it turns out they needed to do something else instead. The fact of the matter is Linux requires more of the end user to get it up and running smoothly and if a person lacks those skills or the experience to do that he or she is in for a negative experience more or less because of their lack of know-how.That said, there definitely are some legitimate access issues on Linux that need to be dealt with. These issues certainly can and do lead to an a less that satisfactory experience for some users, and it is something that needs to be considered weather the access issue is a deal breaker for the end user or not.For example, on the stock Ubunt u 14 distribution it comes with the Unity desktop. Unity is 80% to 90% accessible. However, there are times where something such as the Dash doesnt work well with Orca yet. I personally dont need it so do without using the Dash, but someone else might want access to that feature of the desktop and find it is an unsatisfactory experience because of it.However, here is the nice thing about Linux Windows users consistently overlook time and again. You arent stuck with just one graphical user interface. If Unity doesnt work for you there are other options. There is the Gnome desktop which is becoming fairly accessible these days, and is probably the best end user experience for a blind user right now. there is also Mate which is a continuation of the old Gnome 2.x desktop which is also a reasonable option. Linux is all about customizability and its up to the end user to find the customization that works best for him or her. The problem is a new user doesnt know where to begin or what to do to get Linux to work the way he or she wants. that is where access really breaks down because there is no access for dummies type book or tutorial that lays it all out for a new user.Ill simply reaffirm what you said above. Yes, it does require a bit of effort to get working properly, but once a person gets up and running with a decent distribution, running an accessible desktop, there isnt a lot of need to run windows unless someone absolutely wants to. Ive been able to do most of what I want to do in Linux with reasonable access for about three or four years, and while it requires some tweaking on my part I was willing to put the time and effort into learning about how to get the most out of the operating system and apps.Ill be the first to say my end user experience hasnt been perfect or as good as I personally would like. There are a number of cases I could mention here where access is not as good as it could be or as good as it should be. Firefox and thunderbird are a couple of cases in point. However, I put up with the access issues, because over all I like the operating system, and am willing to compromise on some issues to get things I want from the OS. Someone else like yourself coming from a Windows background may not have my reasons for using the OS and would find the access issues unsatisfactory and give up on Linux because you have different expectations and uses for the software. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182263#p182263 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Niklas, if I were you Id either begin with Vinux for or Ubuntu Gnome 14.04.Vinux 4 is a decent distribution for beginners because everything is more or less configured for a blind user out of the box, and was designed primarily for those just getting use to Linux. Plus it comes with both Speakup and Orca meaning you have full command-line and graphical access from the start. However, the downside of Vinux is that is does not get updated all that frequently.Ubuntu Gnome 14 is the latest version of Ubuntu with the Gnome desktop. The upside is you get a fairly up to date distribution with new versions of Gnome and Orca, and with a little tweaking can become a very powerful Linux distribution. The advantage of the Gnome version of U Ubuntu is that Gnome is the most accessible graphical user interface for Linux right now, and is better than the stock version of Ubuntu which ships with Unity. The disadvantage with going with Ubuntu Gnome is sometimes you will get pac kages that are so new that they have not been fully debugged for accessibility. So you need to be willing to tweak the installations a bit to get the maximum access out of your Linux system.Frastlin, the information you posted in post 9 is in correct. For one thing keyboard commands are not universal across desktop environments and are different from desktop to desktop and sometimes from distribution to distribution. You might want to preface such statements with Linux distribution and desktop as keyboard commands can differ from distribution and desktop. That said, I think you are speaking here from in experience.For one thing Linux desktops do not have a Start Menu as such. On Unity desktops alt+f1 opens the Launcher Bar. On Mate alt+f1 opens the Panel Menu. On Gnome 3.x alt+f1 opens the Dash. See what I mean about keyboard commands being distribution and desktop specific?As for the Windows key, known as the super key on Linux, most of the time it opens the Dash on Gnome and Unity desktops. I cant say from experience what it does on other desktops, but the super key never opens the desktop itself. To go to the desktop usually there is a specific command like alt+control+d to focus the desktop.As for alt+f10 I am not sure what you mean by the Control Panel. I assume here you are talking about the Top Panel in Vinux where various settings etc are. This is a case of needing to learn the proper terminology for things rather than simply applying Windows terminology to things that is very incorrect. Most versions of Linux have a control panel similar to Windows, but it is not called that in Linux. Many desktops use Gnome Control Center which is more or less like the Windows Control Panel. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182007#p182007 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions After many years, Im here again, thinking on stay.Yesterday I was asking myself on it: someone told me that Orca is not so developed as Windows screen readers like JAWS and even NVDA. When I tried Ubuntu in 2011, in addition to usual difficulties Linux have for Windows users and there were many inaccessible apps, Ubuntu was updated to use Uniti instead of Gnome and accessibility was a disaster.Internet browsing and emailing with Orca was not responsive, and many Orca important functions had no keystrokes assigned.Now, my question: Does anyone use some Linux distribution daily and not only for testing purposes? It includes home users that have no Windows at all, home users which have Windows only as a secondary OS and users which use Linux at work, for example on servers. If there are no such users, this debate will not have sense shortly URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182009#p182009 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, I use Linux daily. In fact, I do consider it my primary operating system. That said, I wont say it is for everybody. Access wise it is ahead of Windows in some areas and behind in others. However, comparing Orca to Windows screen readers like Jaws, Window-Eyes, and even NVDA is a little misleading.One thing you need to understand here when comparing Orca to Windows screen readers is accessibility works totally different in Linux. Unlike Windows screen readers that use a variety of methods of gathering onscreen information either via a Windows API, a custom off-screen model, etc Orca obtains everything from the accessibility API at-spi2. If your application, or the graphical toolkit it uses, doesnt have at-spi2 support then it will not work with Orca. It isnt Orcas fault but the fault of the application or the toolkit it uses. Unfortunately, people who make such comparisons are not that technical, arent aware of the differen ces in how the technology works, so are prone to make unfair comparisons between Orca and some Windows screen reader like Jaws they are more familiar with.Anyway, I think youll find in a properly configured Linux system Orca can hold its own in comparison to most Windows screen readers. It may not support every Linux application you want, but those it does work with generally are reasonably accessible. I can use Firefox for internet, Thunderbird for e-mail, Gedit for basic text editing, LibreOffice for office documents, Pidgin for instant messaging, Totem for multimedia, etc. In short, I can do most of what Id do on a Windows system in Linux with reasonable access with Orca. Access could certainly be better, but I am satisfied with it on a day to day basis. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182027#p182027 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, your actual experience is interesting. Im sure I will encourage some users to jump into the GNU/Linux world.The fact that Orca cannot support every GNU/Linux application is not a fault; like on Windows and almost on any operating system, developers sometimes build non-standard interfaces or unlabeled controls. Moreover, openness of Linux sometimes also have unpredictable behavior outside of accessibility.Do you know accessible Linux-based software for Z-code and Glulx games? This is particularly interesting, since we are on Audiogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182111#p182111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions @fergregoire94: To answer your question, yes I use Linux at the CLI only, for running servers, on a hobby and pro basis. I personally consider the state of graphical Linux accessibility to be inadequate, but were all different, and as Tward says, its entirely possible that this is not the case for everybody. I do use OS X as my primary desktop OS for now, although my desire to hop back to an environment with more flexibility--probably Windows--is growing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182120#p182120 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Fergregoire94, yes, as a matter of fact I do. I myself use Frotz for Linux with the Speakup screen reader for playing Zcode and Glulx based games. In addition I use an interpreter called Scare for playing a number of games written in Adrift. Scare doesnt support everything, but it does allow me to play some games written in Adrift 3 and 4 on Linux. There are also CLI interpreters for Tads and AGT text games if you want them So as far as text based games goes the sky is the limit on Linux.. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182123#p182123 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
2014-07-25
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Trenton Goldshark via Audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions For those wondering about the sonar project, you can now find it at its new home!http://sonargnulinux.com/And try out the new! Sonar beta, from now on being based off of Manjaro, at:http://sonargnulinux.com/?p=99As a side note, for general and Sonar GNU/Linux talk, see the Support mailing list in the menu. And for Sonar development, see the Dev list. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182129#p182129 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward, your actual experience is interesting. Im sure you will encourage some users to jump into the GNU/Linux world.The fact that Orca cannot support every GNU/Linux application is not a fault; like on Windows and almost on any operating system, developers sometimes build non-standard interfaces or unlabeled controls. Moreover, openness of Linux sometimes also have unpredictable behavior outside of accessibility.Do you know accessible Linux-based software for Z-code and Glulx games? This is particularly interesting, since we are on Audiogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182111#p182111 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Tward experiences make me think that it requires a lot of effort, but if someone is committed to learn new principles and experiment with many settings (settings understood as specific distros, not only options), you could stop using Windows for most of the tasks.As Sebby says, GUI accessibility on GNU/Linux seems inadequate. As a newcomer when I tried Ubuntu, for example, I felt to be lost many times: sometimes I could arrive to certain important areas, sometimes Orca with Espeak simply stopped responding, and many times I opened help topics I couldnt read. I hope the situation was changed on these three years. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=182132#p182132 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions There is vinux.org.uk which is a ready set up Linux distribution you can either install or run from disc to try it out, though Im not sure its being updated any more sadly. Aside from that youve hit on the exact problem Linux has all around, theres so many versions no one knows where to start. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181892#p181892 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Depends on what you need. Are you looking to stay at the command line, or do you want to go GUI? Its going GUI which is where the trouble starts, naturally. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181896#p181896 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Im curious what youd suggest for staying at the command line? I might have a play with something like that. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181917#p181917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions How deep do you want to get into this?Debian is an excellent binary distribution with a reputation for maintainability, because the package manager does all the work. However, its all policies and patches, so its arguable that you are not using a Real Linux distribution with vanilla packages. However, its a fairly safe heaven, with enough user-friendliness to get going.If you actually want to learn stuff, Id suggest one of Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware, in that order. You will lose many hours of your life, but when you come back to Debian--as you inevitably will--youll know how a good deal of it works. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181921#p181921 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions How deep do you want to get into this?Debian is an excellent binary distribution with a reputation for maintainability, because the package manager does all the work. However, its all policies and patches, so its arguable that you are not using a Real Linux distribution with vanilla packages. However, its a fairly safe haven, with enough user-friendliness to get going.If you actually want to learn stuff, Id suggest one of Gentoo, Arch, or Slackware, in that order. You will lose many hours of your life, but when you come back to Debian--as you inevitably will--youll know how a good deal of it works.Happy tinkering. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181921#p181921 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Vinux is really meant for beginners, it is built so you dont need to worry about installing inaccessible stuff to begin with and it tells you if something is not going to work. They also have tutorials on their website for vinux. I would say try out vinux first, then make sure you can use the console apps there before moving to one of the others, but that is just my opinion.And supposedly Vinux will have a new update coming out very soon... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181926#p181926 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions ah, okay. I wasnt sure about vinux because it hasnt been updated for a Long time. I hadnt know that its still in development. First I Need something for beginners to start with since I came from Windows and had no much experience with Linux in the past. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181937#p181937 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions Hi,I use ubuntu Gnome in a VM. Quite accessible, but scary, since in the desktop ORCA stops talking wtill you press some keystroke. I have had no experience with Linux and havent experimented with it recently, but its a recommendation anyway. Dont use the regular Ubuntu, it doesnt go as well as Ubuntu Gnome. Im limiting myself to the Ubuntu distribution, because I decided to start from there, no idea how the rest work. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181948#p181948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions
Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions 4 things you need to know about linux that is different than windows:the windows key takes you to your desktopthe alt+f1 key opens the start menu. the alt+f10 key opens the control panel (I think it is that last key command, it may be start+f10).and f10 is the only button to open the menu bar. the alt key opens the run dialogue. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181956#p181956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: a question about blind friendly linux distributions ah okay, thank you for the Information. Maybe I should try ubuntu Gnome out? First, i think I would try out GUI and than the console, so the distrobution should offer both in an accessible way. It seems that the Gnome Project makes lots of things or puts lots of efford into These Technologies. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=181969#p181969 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
