Re: disgrace
2020-06-22
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : BrendanGriesel1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace Wow! Just wow! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never seen an audio game that has South African people in it, but I don't go around calling them racist just because they don't include South Africans. But hey, if it makes you feel better, the first time I played blind Gladiator I lost a fight against a Turk. But seriously dude, I think you are seeing things that don't exist. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544164/#p544164 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace @26 i like it!yet another "this is racist", from something that is just a game at the end of the day, it's not called kill all the turks, like many have said you fight many different races, and just coz you killed the turkish guy really quickly don't mean it's racist.well in that case i'm sick of all of the zombie killing in swamp, zombie lives matter.i mean by that logic you could prob find "racism" in practically any game, tv show or film for that matter just because someone from 1 race does something to someone from another race. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544115/#p544115 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Mmm, jack21, I'm afraid you might have missed my point in post 26. I was saying, as someone whose finished the game, the game includes a hole bunch of people from different nationalities, some of them rather odd choices for ancient Rome. In difficulty terms though, these nationalities are just flavour text, people still tend to attack the same way, obviously getting a bit faster and doing more damage as you get up the game, and all are (from a difficulty perspective), equally easy with the right upgrades and a little practice. So, either you can say the game is racist against everybody, because all races represented in the game (including the animals), are of relatively equal lack of difficulty, or you can say the game is not racist at all. I personally would say the game isn't racist at all, particularly because it takes place at a time when most modern nations didn't exist, and is a bit overthetop and down right silly anyway.If you want to see the game as racist against the nationalities of everybody who appears in the game, well that's up to you. personally, I enjoyed the game for what it was, and liked the fact the developers tried to make the battles distinct with flavour text about the different characters you fought, and didn't personally think the game was at all racist for this reason. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544053/#p544053 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace come on, bro, it's a freaking game. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544050/#p544050 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace @26. Thanks URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544046/#p544046 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Again Sovs, further proof that that signature is a keeper seeing as it inserted itself at the perfect time. Lol! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544022/#p544022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace The game is terribly racist! I mean, you fight Romans, Spaniards, Greeks, Vikings, amazon warriors, American Indians, some sort of Chinese or Japanese opponent, (even though goodness knows what they're doing in ancient rome), not to mention several lions and tigers, and they're all terribly easy! I slaughtered all of them with little to no trouble after I upgraded my equipment! This is incredibly unfair! I demand that the game be made absolutely impossibel to beat, since all of these racial groups are being horribly under represented, especially those Romans! I mean, this is a game set in ancient Rome, and the Romans are portrayed as blood thirsty war mongers who just want to see all people die in their arena! After all, rome was an empire that spanned the hole globe and included so many races, surely it is possible for all of them to be equally impossibly difficult. of course, this would mean that a player died on the first opponent, who I believe is roman, and so never saw any of the other races represented in the game, but they'd be there, even if entirely invisible. Hmmm, would that be Representative or not? I don't know.How about we just agree that the game is a rather romanticised version of a nasty historical sport in which you get to murder lots of people, and the developers did their best to give you a colourful cast of opponents to fight against, using their racial backgrounds to make them diverse and/or in many places historically inaccurate), even if mechanically they're pretty much just sets of random attack factors stuck together that have no baring on the flavour text used to describe them and all are equally slayable .I myself would be in favour of that option. Actually, in general at risk of setting off a flame war, I liked the flavour descriptions and the fact that, even though from a mechanical perspective all fights are pretty much the same, dodge, dodge, dodge until your opponent is tired, then attack as fast as you can, rinse and repeat, the developers tried to make the opponents interesting by giving them descriptions and origin stories, even if some of them (EG the American Indian and the Chinese/Japanese fighter), seem more than a little odd for ancient Rome . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544015/#p544015 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace How dare you. Most of you ain't Turks so therefor, you obviously have no right to say anything. This is ciber bullying.I suggest that the dev of this game goes ahead and releases an update that fixes this issue ASAP.You all should be ashamed. Evil people. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544018/#p544018 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace The game is terribly racist! I mean, you fight Romans, Spaniards, Greeks, amazon warriors, American Indians, some sort of Chinese or Japanese opponent, (even though goodness knows what they're doing in ancient rome), not to mention several lions and tigers, and they're all terribly easy! I slaughtered all of them with little to no trouble after I upgraded my equipment! This is incredibly unfair! I demand that the game be made absolutely impossibel to beat, since all of these racial groups are being horribly under represented, especially those Romans! I mean, this is a game set in ancient Rome, and the Romans are portrayed as blood thirsty war mongers who just want to see all people die in their arena! After all, rome was an empire that spanned the hole globe and included so many races, surely it is possible for all of them to be equally impossibly difficult. of course, this would mean that a player died on the first opponent, who I believe is roman, and so never saw any of the other races represented in the game, but they'd be there, even if entirely invisible. Hmmm, would that be Representative or not? I don't know.How about we just agree that the game is a rather romanticised version of a nasty historical sport in which you get to murder lots of people, and the developers did their best to give you a colourful cast of opponents to fight against, using their racial backgrounds to make them diverse and/or in many places historically inaccurate), even if mechanically they're pretty much just sets of random attack factors stuck together that have no baring on the flavour text used to describe them and all are equally slayable .I myself would be in favour of that option. Actually, in general at risk of setting off a flame war, I liked the flavour descriptions and the fact that, even though from a mechanical perspective all fights are pretty much the same, dodge, dodge, dodge until your opponent is tired, then attack as fast as you can, rinse and repeat, the developers tried to make the opponents interesting by giving them descriptions and origin stories, even if some of them (EG the American Indian and the Chinese/Japanese fighter), seem more than a little odd for ancient Rome . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/544015/#p544015 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace I agree that it can be a problem in mechanics. the game is not bad. really spindle. but it would have been more spindle if it was offered for sale after compacting the mechanics. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543990/#p543990 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
2020-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace Lol I didnt mwa for it to come across like that. As I know it, there different Turks, so Turkey was just the collective. I also know Turkey wasn't a thing until the Ottman empire fell because of the warIt was meant to show how stupid the OP sounded URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543985/#p543985 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace Show me other ways the game is racist, subtle or overt, and you might have a bit of credibility. Their games are pretty badly balanced though, so the fact that the Turkish warrior was a bit weak isn't a jab at Turkish people, but just a bit of unbalanced game mechanics.Also with the SEH trophy... Ather, is, mih, duhl, ea, stern! he can say what he wants. He's literally just speaking Arabic and saying strike it now or something like that, big deal. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543984/#p543984 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace OK. I am not playing online games. Also, I do not have such a friend. I may overdo it. anyways. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543983/#p543983 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace 16, I give this to your ignorancebut we have a saying here wich says, there is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding outTurkey is a nation state which name is based on ethnicity, it is not a name like America enspired by a person or any existing animal.when we come to the bird, the bird one, it was being imported to eurap from Ottoman empire, that's when the name Turkey appeared. Though as a sidenote, the original turky's living habitat is in america if i remember it right, those 2 birds are similor, the one that i talked about and the original turky, they were similor bids, so they both called them turkey.it shouldnt be taken as a racist word or anything because we call Turkey as hindy, the indian, because Turks first encountered the Hindy, turkies in india first.now for the countries name, Turkeyits true meaning is the land of the Turks.the word, türk, originates from the word türkük, meaning powerfull in ainchent turkishthe first definition of turks identifying themselves as türks, has been recorded in 8th century in Old Turkic Inscriptions of Gokturk Khaganate.considering the dates of the definition of turks, the people, has been recorded before the discovery of turkey, its not whise to say the countries name has been enspired by the animal.even though your way of expressing yourself in post16, is quite crossing the line, i know you dont mean it, so that's why explained it quite nicelyhave a nice and healthy day URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543976/#p543976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace 16, I give this to your ignorancebut we have a saying here wich says, there is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding outTurkey is a nation state which name is based on ethnicity, it is not a name like America enspired by a person or any existing animal.when we come to the bird, the bird one, it was being imported to eurap from Ottoman empire, that's when the name Turkey appeared. Though as a sidenote, the original turky's living habitat is in america if i remember it right, those 2 birds are similor, the one that i talked about and the original turky, they were similor bids, so they both called them turkey.it should be taken as a racist word or anything because we call Turkey as hindy, the indian, because Turks encoured the Hindies, turkies in india first.now for the countries name, Turkeyits true meaning is the land of the Turks.the word, türk, originates from the word türkük, meaning powerfull in ainchent turkishthe first definition of turks identifying themselves as türks, has been recorded in 8th century in Old Turkic Inscriptions of Gokturk Khaganate.considering the dates of the definition of turks, the people, has been recorded before the discovery of turkey, its not whise to say the countries name has been enspired by the animal.even though your way of expressing yourself in post16, is quite crossing the line, i know you dont mean it, so that's why explained it quite nicelyhave a nice and healthy day URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543976/#p543976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace @jack, that's another reason, as you say, the games from this company... not the best when it comes to balancing lol. As I said in my earlier post, if they wanted to be racist, they would've done so; easily. And all there other games would've been racist as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543975/#p543975 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace 16, I give this to your ignorancebut we have a saying here wich says, there is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding outTurkey is a nation state which name is based on ethnicity, it is not a name like America enspired by a person or any existing animal.when we come to the bird, the bird one, it was being imported to eurap from Ottoman empire, that's when the name Turkey appeared. Though as a sidenote, the original turky's living habitat is in america if i remember it right, those 2 birds are similor, the one that i talked about and the original turky, they were similor bids, so they both called them turkey.it should be taken as a racist word or anything because we call Turkey as hindy, the indian, because Turks encoured the Hindies, turkies in india first.now for the countries name, Turkeyits true meaning is the land of the Turks.the word, türk, originates from the word türkük, meaning powerfull in ainchent turkishthe first definition of turks identifying themselves as türks, has been recorded in 8th century in Old Turkic Inscriptions of Gokturk Khaganate.considering the dates of the definition of turks, the people, has been recorded before the discovery of turkey, its not whise to say the countries name has been enspired by the animal. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543976/#p543976 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace @jack21,Your taking this too seriously in my opinion. If they really, really; wanted to be racist, trust me, they would've been. Going by your logic, we could all say the following,Oh, blind gladiator doesn't have, insert whatever here; racist!!! Or how about: I can think of a bunch of mainstream games you would or could call racist because they are not made accessible for the blind; not how things are in life. Your making a mountain out of a molehill, and besides, honestly? There is absolutely nothing you can do in this case, except not play the game again. Racism, as defined by the dictionary is: The belief in the superiority of one race over another. That is racism as defined by the dictionary. This game is not racist, here is just one reason why, though I could give more. Fight with said Turkish opponent again with the lowest set of weapons, see if it takes more than seconds... It will. You are the first person I see here I see complaining about this, but to each his own. I'm to say the least, shocked though. Its just a game, nothing more. And speaking of which. If, as you say, this game is racist, then, all the other games by this company would have to be racist as well. Is this the case? No.When a game developer makes a game, they are not thinking, oh, I'll be racist towards so and so just because I can. If your this sensitive in a game, crying out racist for each miner infraction... a: you won't enjoy any game, or you're going to find it very hard to do so. b: life will be very, very hard for you if you are ticked off by the tiniest of things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543968/#p543968 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Right, so the audiogames forum's *very small* cancel culture mob strikes again. Just for the record, those games already have their fair share of instability. I can honestly say that while Blind Gladiator was probably one of their most stable games out of all I've purchased, all my opponents went down in a blaze of glory the same day I bought the game. So the 10 second fight could've easily been an imbalance. I can bet you a hundred bucks it was not racially motivated. This is made out to be as much of an issue as the Super Egg Hunt trophy brouhaha was. Pretty loose accusations if I can say so myself.Jaidon wrote:@OP, on a more serious note, you dont think naming your country after a cowardly animal is a disgrace? So the turks disgraced their owwn selves. hahahahah.Ok I think we can all agree that's crossing the line a bit. Let's not turn this into an actual slug-fest against Turkey, or its name rather. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543970/#p543970 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Right, so the audiogames forum's *very small* cancel culture mob strikes again. Just for the record, those games already have their fair share of instability. I can honestly say that while Blind Gladiator was probably one of their most stable games out of all I've purchased, all my opponents went down in a blaze of glory the same day I bought the game. So the 10 second fight could've easily been an imbalance. I can bet you a hundred bucks it was not racially motivated. This is made out to be as much of an issue as the Super Egg Hunt trophy brouhaha was. Pretty loose accusations if I can say so myself.Jaidon wrote:@OP, on a more serious note, you dont think naming your country after a cowardly animal is a disgrace? So the turks disgraced their owwn selves. hahahahah.Ok I think we can all agree that's crossing the line a bit. Let's not turn this into an actual slugfest against this guy's country. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543970/#p543970 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace jack21,Your taking this too seriously in my opinion. If they really, really; wanted to be rasist, trust me, they would've been. Going by your logic, we could all say the following,Oh, blind gladiator doesn't have, insert whatever here; racist!!! This is not the case. When a game developer makes a game, they are not thinking, oh, I'll be racist towards so and so just because I can. If your this sensitive in a game, crying out racist for each miner infraction... a: you won't enjoy any game, or you're going to find it very hard to do so. b: life will be very, very hard for you if you are ticked off by the tiniest of things. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543968/#p543968 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace Lol, really? I mean there's nothing I can say that the others haven't already covered. I will say one thing though, if your reputation means that much to you, tell all your Turkish friends to stop causing trouble on the online audiogames. I'm not gonna say all Turks are like that, but a lot of them are and yeah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543966/#p543966 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
2020-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace @OP, on a more serious note, you dont think naming your country after a cowardly animal is a disgrace? So the turks disgraced their owwn selves. hahahahah. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543964/#p543964 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
2020-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace I think we're all truly misunderstanding the OP. The developers of this game clearly dislike, or flatout hate the Turks and want them dead. Now, I say this guy should get his money back, and the game either make the Turks the most powerful group of gladiators, or we shut the game down. @OP, I'm sorry that this game has damaged your fragile ego and I want us to resolve this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543962/#p543962 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace I was going to say something, but, but lets sum it up to lol'l'l'l'l'l? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543954/#p543954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace @11th. I deleted the game already URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543952/#p543952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace please play the game carefully and carefully. You understand. OK. Let's say that I am exaggerating. then why is there no information about my turkish opponent? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543951/#p543951 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Very unfortunate. I have a very, very, very simple solution for you. Don't open the game again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543950/#p543950 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace @ 6. it's not a small matter. this game is racist. while my other opponents die much later, my turkish opponent dies to 10 seconds .. this is very bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543944/#p543944 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: disgrace @op did you upgrade any of your equipment? If so, then you shouldn't be surprised. But let's be real here, I doubt the designers were sitting around and went "We don't like Turks, so let's give them really bad stats hahahhehehehihihihahahehehe." Some people must learn to keep a level head it seems. In Eurofly there are 1 or 2 tasks that say you aren't allowed to enter Austria, and I didn't go "Eurofly how dare you you're discriminating against Austrians! I'm reporting you!" URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543943/#p543943 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace #TurkLivesMatter URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543927/#p543927 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace @6. thumbs coming your way...ReportQuote+1 Cancel URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543920/#p543920 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
2020-06-21
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace Goes to show you how easily people take the slightest things and turns it into a big useless flamefest. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543910/#p543910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace hello#4, i think that he means that his opponent was a Turk, not he. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543891/#p543891 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace Since you say you are turkish yourself, didn't you beat the fight as a turk in ten seconds? So you as a turk are not humiliated. Problem solved. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543880/#p543880 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace @ 1, you made me laff. thanks. I need it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543878/#p543878 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: disgrace
Re: disgrace um, seriously? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/543877/#p543877 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
