Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hard facts supporting the quality of Touch digital out.

2010-05-17 Thread NewBuyer

bhaagensen;547680 Wrote: 
 NewBuyer: thanks for the comments and in particular pointing out one
 source of the 'long-cable'-argument. Another source that I see quoted
 from time to time, is this:
 
 http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue14/spdif.htm
 
 Along with your comment I also note, in this particular context, that
 Naim's own (recommended) digital coax cable is 1.25m...


You're welcome.  :)  A source for the opposing short-length digital
coax cable argument is Dan Lavry - here's an extract of one comment
from him, on this subject:

Dan Lavry Wrote: 
 ...In fact, the shorter the cable, the better you are. I am not
 suggesting to use 3 inches cables, but a 3 foot is better then 10 foot,
 and at over 30 feet you are certainly asking for trouble.
 
 You said the reason for keeping the length at least 2 feet had to do
 with reflections. Reflections have to do with MORE LENGTH, not with
 less length! Reflection becomes an issue when the cable becomes LONG,
 making the signal propagation delay longer (the signal travel time from
 the “driver” end of the cable to the destination “end”). What does
 longer time mean? Longer with respect to the digital signal rise (and
 fall) time.
 
 A typical cable delay is around 1.5 nano second (nsec) per foot. The
 velocity is slower then the speed of light, in the range of 1/3 to 2/3
 of the speed of light, and it depends almost entirely on one factor -
 the cable inner material isolation (the dielectric).
 
 The rise time for the digital signal is between 5nsec and 30 nsec.
 30nsec is slow but still within the specifications. 5-15 nsec is nice,
 and the reason that faster is not allowed has to do with setting a
 limit on the electromagnetic radiation (transmission of interference).
 
 At say 10 feet, the cable delay is around 15 nsec, and a 5nsec rise
 time is 3 times faster then the delay, so one DOES NEED to terminate
 the cable and do so properly.
 
 But at say 8 inches length, the delay is around 1nsec and even a fast
 5nsec rise is 5 times slower then the cable delay, and the signal will
 have virtually no reflections at all. The shorter the cable, the better
 it is from reflections stand point as well as from many other
 standpoints.
 
 I am not suggesting 8 inch cables. I am not suggesting not terminating.
 In fact, as a rule the termination is built into the receiver side. The
 issue here is cable length, and the notion that there is a minimal
 cable length one should keep is just plain wrong.
 
 Regards
 Dan Lavry
 Lavry Engineering


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Musical Fidelity X-DACv3 and X-PSU v3

2010-05-17 Thread adamdea

Curse it- I have been unable to resist.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Musical Fidelity X-DACv3 and X-PSU v3

2010-05-17 Thread Phil Leigh

adamdea;548293 Wrote: 
 Curse it- I have been unable to resist.

Sorry... you can blame me later :-)


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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SqueezeBox 3 Analog Out added to RMAA Tests

2010-05-17 Thread mswlogo

I'm not sure anyone with the same test equipment has tested Transporter
and SqueezeBox 3.

I did not do another digital attenuation test, but you can compare both
running at Max Volume using both 16bit and 24bit to get some idea the
difference in performance.

http://www.meridianunplugged.com/wiki/index.php?pagename=RMAATests


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SqueezeBox 3 Analog Out added to RMAA Tests

2010-05-17 Thread NewBuyer

Thank you very much for conducting and posting these tests.


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