Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
magiccarpetride wrote: Yeah, sort of like the racist south. awesome. ignorant regional discrimination. it might actually funny if you weren't known for being a troll. the north(and everywhere else in the world) is rife with racism too, they just try and cover it up. TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
What about the possibility that the listeners are stressed because it's very hard to tell the difference when relying purely on their ears? Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
But didn't report all TT3 lovers dramatic increases in their listening experiences. If these exist, why would it be stressful to also detect them under blind conditions? I'd let the stress argument count if someone reported I can hear subtle improvements, but please go back to the very first posts on the TT2 and 3 threads and read those enthusiastic descriptions of magiccarpetride and others. Why would it be stressful to detect the same huge differences reliably under blind conditions? Should be dead easy if are to be trusted the reported improvements? bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
On a slightly different note, I think discussion is about exaggeration of differences. I do think DACs can and do sound different. The better they get, supposing they have been designed to be transparent, the harder it is to hear a difference. But audibly, I believe the difference will be subtle indeed between GOOD front ends. On this point note even resident pro TheOctavist has Forsell and Mytek DACs which cost (in my country) more than his speakers! No-one is saying it makes NO difference. We have MEASUREMENTS which tell us there are differences! In this context, I agree that by far the most significant differences will be those of the recording quality, room acoustics and loudspeakers. On the last point, well designed active speakers have several technical advantages. So I am a front end last sort of person, but not a front end doesn't matter person. Darren Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
rgro wrote: Aw, c'mon why so serious? Because the rational answer (and how to reach it) matters. Even when the question is trivial. rgro wrote: And, back to the original point I took issue with: were everyone that has contributed to aeronautics imbued with your philosophy that If you don't expect a tweak to make a change, you're not very likely to apply the tweak, I don't believe we'd have had anywhere near the progress (in aeronautics, electronics, or anything else, for that matter) that we enjoy. Okay, then please explain me this: If the first flying machine builders didn't expect their tweaks to make a change, then -why did they do them-? Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode plugin with M-DAC
Does the USB isolator though just perform a familiar job to a mains filter? If you've got clean mains you don't really need one? I'm still to do extensive listening via USB compared to coaxial? Anyone else got the same setup? tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode plugin with M-DAC
main filter does not isolate the interface Touch to DAC not the same thing, nb I have no idea if USB needs isolation or not , if these products are used for non audio application to then they might have a real purpose (not just fleecing audiophiles ). Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
darrenyeats wrote: On a slightly different note, I think the discussion is about exaggeration of differences Correct. If you read my comments carefully, I don't state there are no audible differences in many situations, only that they often shrink dramatically in size when non-audio cues are taken out of the equation. Unfortunately, many audiophiles take any challenge to their personal perception as an insult and will go to great lengths to discredit the offending test. Hence, the stress card that is so grossly overplayed. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode plugin with M-DAC
USB isolators are not the same as mains filters. As far as I understand it, isolators remove the electrical connection (grounds) which exists otherwise, and prevent the introduction of noise into the DAC and its digital and analog circuitry (some of which can be quite sensitive to such pollution). I think that PSU noise is more a factor here than Mains noise. One could achieve the same results with a USB-optical-USB connection, but this costs more than the £20-30 of an isolator. Isolators should not alter the signal and don't have any negative effect (besides cost and throughput limits which are above what is needed for USB 1.0 Audio)... as can easly be demonstrated with the MDAC and its bit perfect test. They do provide some added protection to the DAC (and are commonly used with USB experimentation boards and other testing equipment, for this reason). eiffel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46208 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
Soulkeeper wrote: Because the rational answer (and how to reach it) matters. Even when the question is trivial. Okay, then please explain me this: If the first flying machine builders didn't expect their tweaks to make a change, then -why did they do them-? Since you asked: It's NOT rational in the sense that you seem to want it to be (why would any sane person try something if they expect it to fail?)It's because they are/were insatiably curious---a trait shared by the most brilliant researchers and creatives. They neither believe in their own pre-conceptions nor anyone else's. The only way they can be truly convinced that something doesn't work is to actually try it. To their way of thinking, the cases (either expecting it will or it won't) are much more equal than the way in which most of us would think. Expecting that something won't work is, in these individuals' minds, vastly different from proving it won'tfor them it's the same process as proving that something will [work]. They're just driven to find out. Furthermore, sometimes during that process of finding out the tweak, indeed, doesn't work, a new insight is gained or new information uncovered. Pure researchers have an intuitive understanding of this and follow lots of these, supposedly, silly paths for no other reason than to simply find out where the possible tangents may lead, irrespective of the final result. It takes a rather unique and different personality to think and do this way--some would call it irrational and/or eccentric. And, while this leads to long stretches of going down dead-ends, blind alleys (and plane crashes) and, what others might call time-wasting, it's often the way to arrive at true genius. It's an interesting trait, since many of the most brilliant innovators have rather large and rough-edged egos. But, one of the more charming inconsistencies in all that is that they seem to lack the arrogance to believe in their own assumptions and pre-conceptions without self-proof. On a more mundane level, how many of us might have spouses who are less than mechanically inclined? And who amongst us hasn't had the experience, when some gadget goes on the fritz, of said person---who in, our VERY humble opinion is ignorant---saying why don't you try it this way? Know-it-all spouse says, it'll never work. But, because we love and indulge, we say,alright, I'll give it a try, but it won't work, I can guaranty you that. And, then, it works. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
TheOctavist wrote: awesome. ignorant regional discrimination. it might actually funny if you weren't known for being a troll. the north(and everywhere else in the world) is rife with racism too, they just try and cover it up. Ive been a southern boy all my life, and race relations simply aren't as bad as people think(mostly northerners or people that have never been to the south but want to paint us all as backwards thinking hillbillies. ) heres a southerner some folks may be familar with. http://faulkner.lib.virginia.edu/ And, coming from someone who posts this nonsense: oddly enough my forum language settings have changed to french. now when I go to post, or confront someone in the forum, the page runs away and surrenders.' http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?93257-Win-7-Optimisations/page24 How much credence are we really supposed to give your statements above? But then, we stray very, very far off topic and I will stop before the mods give me the chop. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
rgro wrote: They neither believe in their own pre-conceptions nor anyone else's. The only way they can be truly convinced that something doesn't work is to actually try it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
mlsstl wrote: Guess we'll just have to disagree. In your case, any situation where a listener is deprived of the opportunity to confirm their conscious or unconscious sighted bias, results can be discarded due to stress. I'm of the opinion that blind testing often illustrates that those enormous differences aren't quite as big as originally thought. Where I disagree with you is in your tacit assumption that anyone who gets subjected to a listening test is automatically in the position of defending their own pet theory (such as that power cables can make a difference, or not, or that digital transports can make a difference, or not, and so on). That's rarely the case. Many listening tests have been conducted with test subjects who have no personal agendas, nor do they care one way or the other. They're just humouring the testing crew, or are looking to earn a quick buck. I would have no objection against listening tests if after the test I could pee in a cup, and then they send that cup to the lab, and the next day test results clearly show whether I was able to hear the differences or not. magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
Soulkeeper wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story That's brilliant. You ask me for my explanation, I take the time to do that, and the best response you can come up with is to point to, of all things, a Wikipedia page that essentially says that my belief that human nature does not adhere to the same laws and parameters as, say, chemistry means that my explanation is nothing more than a flight in magic and fallacy? Really..! There are 154,000 membersa number of them Ph.d's---in the American Psychological Assocation (the U.S. psychololgists' professional organization) who, in addition to me, would take great issue with you. Now, perhaps you believe that the study and science of psychology and human nature is a bunch of nonsense because, amongst other things, the science says that human behavior is *sometimes* unpredictable, inexplicable, non-logical, and irrational-in a word, unscientific. And by all means you are certainly entitled to that belief. But, at this point, I really cannot imagine that we could have anything more to discuss on this subjectyou know Mars vs. Venus and all that.. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
magiccarpetride wrote: I would have no objection against listening tests if after the test I could pee in a cup, and then they send that cup to the lab, and the next day test results clearly show whether I was able to hear the differences or not. That issue was previously addressed and then conveniently ignored by you. You're obviously welcome to all of the enormous differences you can muster. See you around. I've got no urge to become repetitive. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
mlsstl wrote: That issue was previously addressed and then conveniently ignored by you. You're obviously welcome to all of the enormous differences you can muster. See you around. I've got no urge to become repetitive. Urine sample was previously addressed in this thread. When? magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
In my opinion certain people have a deep need for a framework explaining everything in the world and the desire to educate others about it. In the past these people ended up as religious types but these days a lot of them are hard core reductionist scientific types. A lot of them tend to be binary right and wrong techies. I think of them as fundamentalists...and it matters not a jot whether they are promoting Allah or string theory to explain EVERYTHING...fundies are fundies to me. It is possible we don't understand very much about the true nature of those things we feel are most meaningful as humans. Yes even though science reveals we are stuck in a tiny corner of the universe in a sliver of history, which certainly suggests human affairs are of little lasting import, I like to feel there is something going on no scientist has found out. Maybe there is more to it than vibrating strings. Greater minds than I have argued both sides. Does this make me a moron? I hope not. Darren Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
darrenyeats wrote: In my opinion certain people have a deep need for a framework explaining everything in the world and the desire to educate others about it. In the past these people ended up as religious types but these days a lot of them are hard core reductionist scientific types. A lot of them tend to be binary right and wrong techies. I think of them as fundamentalists...and it matters not a jot whether they are promoting Allah or string theory to explain EVERYTHING...fundies are fundies to me. It is possible we don't understand very much about the true nature of those things we feel are most meaningful as humans. Yes even though science reveals we are stuck in a tiny corner of the universe in a sliver of history, which certainly suggests human affairs are of little lasting import, I like to feel there is something going on no scientist has found out. Maybe there is more to it than vibrating strings. Greater minds than I have argued both sides. Does all this make me a moron? I hope not. Darren Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 Lovely, Darren. Personally, I find it not at all inconsistent that the quantum physicist believes in God or the biochemist writes poetry. Sometimes the most rational among us have the greatest insight regarding the inexplicable. I'm probably a moron for even having been baited (perhaps even trolled???) into the argument. But, damn, those fundies tick me off! rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
Does taking the p*ss count? He-he. Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
darrenyeats wrote: Does taking the p*ss count? He-he. Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk 2 Gotcha, it's a pissing contest. magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
darrenyeats wrote: In my opinion certain people have a deep need for a framework explaining everything in the world and the desire to educate others about it. In the past these people ended up as religious types but these days a lot of them are hard core reductionist scientific types. A lot of them tend to be binary right and wrong techies. I think of them as fundamentalists...and it matters not a jot whether they are promoting Allah or string theory to explain EVERYTHING...fundies are fundies to me. You may think I'm nitpicking here, but I disagree that they are fundamentalists. I call them extremists. magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode plugin with M-DAC
I must add that using the Mdac via usb is sounding sweet.Can I be bothered switching back to coaxial? I've never purchased a 192k track. tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Perception
nice article originally posted in 'TAPE OP' (www.tapeop.com) (btw, you should subscribe to this print magazine..it is FREE and awesome. http://www.ethanwiner.com/perception.htm and the reply from Wayne Baynham(a recording engineer) http://wbaynham.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/thank-you-tape-op/ and a nice thing about A-Bing(by Allan Farmelo...a recording engineer) http://www.tapeop.com/blog/2012/04/11/problem-bing-and-why-neil-young-right-about-sound-/ TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94850 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
magiccarpetride wrote: Ever considered changing your moniker to Captain Obvious? Obviously not. CaptBeyond's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
