Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
i have done it several times, and i shall desist henceforth. anything recorded before a certain time honestly deserves 256k MP3 at most. and a lot of them don't even deserve that. i still very much enjoy the music. example: waltz for debby by bill evans. brilliant. one of favorite albums of all time. no way i can tell the difference between my original CD, which i ripped to both 320k MP3 and FLAC (and both sound the same), and the new remastered 24bit 192k version, which is just a bit louder, but provides no additional resolution. waste of money. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine running Ubuntu 12.04 + LMS 7.7.3 on VMware Player System: SB Touch --optical-- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR-- Creek Destiny Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval-- KEF LS50 Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic- MusicalFidelity M1PWR - Totem DreamCatcher Computer audio: workstation --USB-- audioengine D1 - Grado PS500e pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
Thanks for the link really helped me a lot!!! Squeeze134685's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63500 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Disable WiFi without Sounccheck's TT
Would it be possible to disable WiFi in SBT as I am using ethernet. I have EDO installed and I do not want to use TT3.0 to disable WiFi. Any alternatives?. I am under the assumption disabling WiFi would improve sound quality. lake_eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102403 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
Stratmangler wrote: I grew up when there was real creativity in the pop genre - sadly not the case today. [image: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/739/968/b5b.jpg] To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Disable WiFi without Sounccheck's TT
lake_eleven wrote: Would it be possible to disable WiFi in SBT as I am using ethernet. I have EDO installed and I do not want to use TT3.0 to disable WiFi. Any alternatives?. I am under the assumption disabling WiFi would improve sound quality. You can turn it off by ssh-ing into the touch, and doing iwconfig wlan0 txpower off. That is not a permanent setting, but it allows you to compare the sound with and without sound. If you really hear a difference, under blind listening conditions, you can make it permanent by editing /etc/init.d/rc5.local. I am pretty sure there is no difference in sound, and if there is, it wouldn't be a continuous change, but an occasional blip, as the Touch does (according to John Swenson) turn off the wireless when not in use, but it wakes up occasionally to check for network traffic. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102403 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
I was referring to the rubbish that gets thrown at us on TV and mainstream radio. There have always been interesting artists, but they usually find it difficult to get mainstream exposure. Julf wrote: [image: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/739/968/b5b.jpg] Chris :) Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
Stratmangler wrote: I was referring to the rubbish that gets thrown at us on TV and mainstream radio. There have always been interesting artists, but they usually find it difficult to get mainstream exposure. I agree about the mainstream rubbish, but at the same time streaming and internet radio has made us less dependent on mainstream. Alternative internet radio is now giving me much more choice and exposing me to more interesting music than back in the day when I was dependent on local radio stations and TV. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
matka wrote: Since nobody can seriously give you a definitive answer, I would suggest this - stop buying, start streaming. Luckilly, you already have a server running that can stream from qobuz (flac, mp3, good classical and jazz catalogue) and spotify (highest ogg) and google play (320 mp3). Spotify will cost you $10, qobuz 20 EUR, google under $10. Quite often you can listen to the original version and to the remeastered version (latest Callas for example). You could make up your mind which version you like best and then decide to buy or download. This comparison nirvana (I like creating playlist of the same classical work by anumber of artists and then compare them) is something that was not feasible before streaming arrived, if you are not billionaire that is, now it is possible and inexpensive. As a result, in the last year, I bought maybe a couple of CD's of material that I could not stream. I'm silently lurking on rmcr classical recordng forum and can't get over the fact that people don't appreciate streaming there (even if on a PC or smartphone, squeezebox is beyond average member capacity to handle), they constantly talk about what version they own and how to import the next version from Japan or Germany. You don't have to do that, save your money. Another suggestion would be to become a cybercriminal at advanced age :) if your really curious at something no streaming service offers just download it from (hey i dont want to break forum rules ) as a torrent . IF you decide its a keeper just buy from a legal outlet if it's even available . Note, really old stuff or otherwise commercially unavailable , might only be available as LP-rips at torrent sites .The chaps there record the outputs from their turntables . Heck some of that would already bee in the public domain ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
JerryS wrote: This is probably a really dumb question for such an expert forum, but let's see if you can help. After spending most of my adult life listening to classical music I became interested in Jazz after retirement. Initially I bought cds and ripped these to flac. I then discovered by abx testing that I can't tell the difference between flac and mp3 (no surprise there as I am 70). This was great news since I can now download mp3s from Amazon instantly, cheaper than the cds. I am not an audophile, I like to listen to music rather than think too much about the sound quality as long as it sounds 'ok' and don't understand many of the technicalities discussed in this forum. The bulk of my jazz collection was recorded between 1955 to the present. My questions are, given the choice, should I be buying remastered or non-remastered music? Am I likely to be able to hear the difference anyway since I can't tell the difference between mp3 and flac? I suspect the answer will be It depends on a multitude of factors, including the quality of the original, the skill of the remasterer, etc, etc. I am sure someone will tell me to see if I can tell the difference, but, that is not really an option unless I am willing to buy two of everything and keep that which I prefer. Any thoughts or general guidelines? Don't get too technical as I won't understand! Thanks Jerry Stratmangler wrote: I wouldn't have thought that many recordings in the Jazz idiom would be badly aflicted by being remastered - the material isn't mainstream, and it's unlikely to have been mistreated in the same way as Pop music has. The Jazz audience wouldn't buy on a whim, unlike the consumers of the rubbish we call Pop music today. I grew up when there was real creativity in the pop genre - sadly not the case today. As an avid jazz fan, listener and collector who has been enjoying jazz for over 40 years I have to wholeheartedly agree with Stratmangler in that most jazz remasters do not suffer the same loudness fate as popular music remasters. As has been stated jazz remasters often include extra tracks and alternated takes so they are often very worthwhile, in addition most older jazz, i.e. from before the introduction of the long playing LP, was originally released on 78rpm records and is now available on single and multi disc compilations, for example the 3 disc Duke Ellington release The Blanton-Webster Band which collects recordings made in the late 1930s and early 1940s, and many of these collections are quite enjoyable. I also think that matka's streaming suggestion is a very good idea since it will enable you explore many of the side roads that jazz listening offers. What I mean is that for example you might be listening to a Miles Davis recording and discover that you enjoy the playing of one of the sidemen. With a streaming service you can look for and listen to some of the other recordings by or featuring that musician. By the way, if you any questions on jazz or would like a few recommendations please send me a PM. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
Stratmangler wrote: I wouldn't have thought that many recordings in the Jazz idiom would be badly aflicted by being remastered - the material isn't mainstream, and it's unlikely to have been mistreated in the same way as Pop music has. It isn't just mainstream stuff that gets mangled by dynamic range compression. Most of my purchases are in the rock genre but nowhere close to mainstream. And they are still over-compressed. It just seems to be some kind of dogma these days to compress rock pop this way. Glad to see Ralph report that jazz is not affected in the same way. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
cliveb wrote: It isn't just mainstream stuff that gets mangled by dynamic range compression. Most of my purchases are in the rock genre but nowhere close to mainstream. And they are still over-compressed. It just seems to be some kind of dogma these days to compress rock pop this way. Glad to see Ralph report that jazz is not affected in the same way. What I do notice is that many new jazz releases and new jazz remasters, while not featuring dynamic range compression, are mastered to play louder. In other words, the dynamic range is still quite respectable but the average overall volume is louder, kind of like the entire dynamic range is shifted up a few db. I should also note that I do not listen to smooth jazz so I don't know if this sub-genre suffers from the loudness wars (which would be no big deal since smooth jazz suffers from ills and musical sins which are much, much worse than dynamic range compression :)). Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose Muso Server: SBS on dedicated windows 7 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Remastered Music, to buy or not to buy (Dumb question)
ralphpnj wrote: What I do notice is that many new jazz releases and new jazz remasters, while not featuring dynamic range compression, are mastered to play louder...). Would volume qualization even up a playing field ? Quite often I construct playlists of the same work by diff performers on Spotify and range of volume do not help in comparison. I do not use volume equalization on squezzebox (subscribe to hear it as it was recorder or remastered actually ?) and have it off on Spotify. Would turning it on Spotify do more harm than good ? George Transporter-Pathos Logos-Triangle Celius Touch-Yamaha RX-V673 - Paradigm Monitor 7 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3, 1 Touch, 1 Radio, Transporter Samsung Galaxy IIS - Sennheiser HD 380 Pro 2 servers - Arch Linux, Ubuntu Linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
