Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > The UCA202 is a great value for money device. Absolutely! But because it is cheap and has a cheap-looking plastic box, it isn't "audiophile quality". :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Absolutely! But because it is cheap and has a cheap-looking plastic box, > it isn't "audiophile quality". :) Well we can change that ! I can put it in a CNC'd case with an OTT analogue psu if you want, I'll charge $4000, OK :) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > Unfortunately it doesn't actually need the analogue power supply (OTT or > otherwise) as its powered off the USB. Ah, but that is just theory. Theory can't explain everything. Have you actually *listened* to it yourself with an analog power supply? :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Excellent review of the UCA202 that I have just found http://nwavguy.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/behringer-uca202-review.html *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > The hardware is capable of 32, 44.1 and 48 kHz. Perhaps the drivers for > your OS limit it to 44.1, but I have not had any issues with 48 kHz > under linux. I have had a further look and you are correct. Apologies. The UCA202 is a great value for money device. I use one to "rip" my vinyl to FLAC. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > Has it got a power socket? I thought not. Or do you mean coupling with a > powered USB hub with a fancy supply? $4,500 in that case. It doesn't need a power socket. Everybody knows that just having a linear power supply in the same enclosure improves the sound. ;) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Jeff07971 wrote: > Well we can change that ! > I can put it in a CNC'd case with an OTT analogue psu if you want, I'll > charge $4000, OK :) Throw in a couple of bamboo fibre capacitors and a bit of silver wire, and we have a killer! :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Jeff07971 wrote: > Well we can change that ! > I can put it in a CNC'd case with an OTT analogue psu if you want, I'll > charge $4000, OK :) Unfortunately it doesn't actually need the analogue power supply (OTT or otherwise) as its powered off the USB. A nice case and some unnecessarily expensive RCA & Optical cables in the box though and I think $4,000 would be very reasonable. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Ah, but that is just theory. Theory can't explain everything. Have you > actually *listened* to it yourself with an analog power supply? :) Has it got a power socket? I thought not. Or do you mean coupling with a powered USB hub with a fancy supply? $4,500 in that case. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: > Indeed. Many of the more advanced DACs have pretty good DSP capabilities > these days, but the problem is that many of the high-end "designers" > don't have the skill and capabilities to actually program them, so they > prefer "just connect some exotic external components and put it all in > an expensive-looking box" hardware solutions. Mobile phones are designed > by real engineers who actually develop software and hardware. Aha the "lets stick some tubes in it" solution :) that's why I refer to this as cargo cult engineering . I suspect that the chip vendors reference application is running in those chips , this may not be adapted to real world problems. Or if one is cynical if you can get some fraction of dB more to meet a design goal. To impress those who are impressed with specs . Why not . And the audiophiles will hear whatever they imagine anyway ,just design the product impressive enough and tick some boxes like impressive mechanical build oversized linear psu etc Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > Unfortunately it doesn't actually need the analogue power supply (OTT or > otherwise) as its powered off the USB. A nice case and some > unnecessarily expensive RCA & Optical cables in the box though and I > think $4,000 would be very reasonable. Oh No No NO !!! You have to galvanically isolate it and power the device itself from a linear psu ! Otherwise you won't hear any difference ! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Jeff07971 wrote: > Oh No No NO !!! > > You have to galvanically isolate it and power the device itself from a > linear psu ! > > Otherwise you won't hear any difference ! I guess we better stop - somebody might think we are actually serious... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > I guess we better stop - somebody might think we are actually serious... :) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > Unfortunately it doesn't actually need the analogue power supply (OTT or > otherwise) as its powered off the USB. A nice case and some > unnecessarily expensive RCA & Optical cables in the box though and I > think $4,000 would be very reasonable. Wonder if someone ever going to get the bright idea and just stuff a box with shiny expensive looking components ,but if you follow the board traces most of it is not even doing anything :) (or powered ) . But There are things where they scraped of the numbers on the components or hidden stuff in small pots with glue or resin ? ok in this day everything is done already ... Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Julf wrote: > And as I keep saying, having the headroom (given the word length of > modern DSP architectures) is not hard. Julf, I agree totally! Should never happen. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98661-Some-observations-about-the-Benchmark-DAC1/page2= see post 13 and 18 onwards where Archimago confirms the same issue for his TEAC UD-501. As Mynb astutely points out, why is Benchmark making a song and dance about it for the DAC2? Perhaps the problem is much more common than it should be? Darren Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
darrenyeats wrote: > Julf, for me the money shot is here: > http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1990168=11 Darren, could you explain how you got those waveforms? As far as I can see, they are screen shots from an audio editor, which presumably means that you recorded the output of the DAC to a WAV file via a soundcard. Is it possible that the obvious clipping we see in the second waveform might have been introduced by the soundcard at the recording stage, rather than in the DAC during playback? To be sure that this isn't happening, you'd need to attenuate the DAC output in the analog domain before recording it. Did you do that? Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
d6jg wrote: > I think you will find that the UCA202 is 16/44.1 not 16/48. The hardware is capable of 32, 44.1 and 48 kHz. Perhaps the drivers for your OS limit it to 44.1, but I have not had any issues with 48 kHz under linux. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is anybody sick of the recent spate of threads?
Mnyb wrote: > Funny enough i suspect a phone can best many DAC's in this regards as > they seems to have some really cool DSP onboard (in fact i think my > phone beats my first DAC in every other aspect as well ... ) Indeed. Many of the more advanced DACs have pretty good DSP capabilities these days, but the problem is that many of the high-end "designers" don't have the skill and capabilities to actually program them, so they prefer "just connect some exotic external components and put it all in an expensive-looking box" hardware solutions. Mobile phones are designed by real engineers who actually develop software and hardware. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > The hardware is capable of 32, 44.1 and 48 kHz. Perhaps the drivers for > your OS limit it to 44.1, but I have not had any issues with 48 kHz > under linux. A quick run of alsacap confirms linux supports up to 48KHz. Code: Card 2, ID `CODEC', name `USB Audio CODEC' Device 0, ID `USB Audio', name `USB Audio', 1 subdevices (1 available) 1..2 channels, sampling rate 32000..48000 Hz Sample formats: S8, U8, S16_LE Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations=LL5P6365KQEXN=CA_name=Squeezebox%20client%20builds_code=USD=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
