Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
thomsens;188706 Wrote: The sample CD I chose was Santana's Shaman. So I guess this fits in the busy category. For reference, the CD took up 519Mb for FLAC and it was only 138Mb for extreme MP3 VBR. That's a 3.75 x the disk space, which is amazing since the MP3 sounds great at that quality level. More precise terms than busy might be random or noisy. I believe totally random data would sound like white noise and compress negligibly or not at all. I suspect instrumentation or effects that more closely resemble white noise reduce the incidence of data patterns that would offer opportunities for any lossless algorithm to compress. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Flac vs Wma
steelee Wrote: I'm using MP10 and can't find anywhere to turn it off, have logged a support call with MS via a select account we have at work!! so will wait to see what they have to say.. Have you tried ripping to WAV, then creating a FLAC and a WMA lossless by converting from the same WAV file? That would rule out differences in the rip. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22457 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Flac vs Wma
ezkcdude Wrote: I guess you didn't sense the sarcasm (the wink!). Anyway, of course, they should sound the same. FLAC is better because 1) it is not proprietary (not M$) 2) supports tags 3) it's cross-platform (not just Windows) and 4) decodes quickly and natively on SB3. (And, also, it's better because I say so.) The native decoding on the SB2/3 is the reason I use FLAC. That enables FF/RW within tracks, which is a must for me, though I gather others can live without it just fine. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22457 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Flac vs Wma
ModelCitizen Wrote: Having read this thread and become so tired of the constant reiteration and the fact that all the info required exists elsewhere (www.hydrogenaudio.org) and is easy to find if the trouble were taken, I was tempted to say.. look, it's Microsoft. They want your money. The guy who wrote Flac (Josh Coleson... Hi Josh!) doesn't (he just wants something he can use that is truly lossless). The bottom line is that they are both lossless and so the result is (supposed to be) exactly the same. You can trust Josh. You can't f* trust Microsoft! They have changed the file somewhere... replay gain or not. But I admit I have a short fuse: This will do: The tags bit should be enough really. Encode it to what you want (who gives a s***) then think about something else. C'mon. MC I have been participating in this thread on the understanding that its thrust is helping steelee find the cause of the audible volume and quality differences he is hearing between his FLAC and WMA Lossless files. steelee Wrote: I am sitting here at my pc and have just ripped Simply Red (the best of ) twice, once to raw Wav and then compressed to Flac level 5, and one to Lossless WMA, am now doing a comparison and there is no question the WMA file DO sound better, treble is brighter and bass more controlled I dont understand why this is the case but it is a fact no question. Ps the bitrate is set to no limit. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22457 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Flac vs Wma
steelee Wrote: Right shut everything and restarted, Ripped dire straits to Wav Flac and Wma used the excellent track private investigations as a reference and wma still sounds the best (much brighter) Bitrate wma = 654VBR wav = 1411 flac = 563 What is going on? Brother in law has done some blind tests and 4 out of 5 picked wma Also the wma files are quite a bit louder then the wav or flac files? Have you totally ruled out Replay Gain being performed on the Squeezebox end? Have you totally ruled out transcoding being performed on the Slimserver end? I wish I could tell you precisely how to do those things, but I can tell you that a difference in sound quality, let alone a perceptible volume difference, is improbable in the extreme when comparing lossless against lossless. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22457 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Flac vs Wma
steelee Wrote: flac is being sent as flac, I was under the impression the WMA files get transcoded in software - Neither are being transcoded to mp3 What does the bitrate show for each type of track on the squeezebox display (now playing-- press right--scroll down until bitrate is displayed). -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22457 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
crooner Wrote: I use regular 14 gauge extension cord cable from Home Depot. The brand is Commercial Electric. Hear hear! Add my vote for extension cord. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: power supply: can it really make a difference?
ezkcdude Wrote: Someone should put an end to this nonsense. For the digital output, the only thing that matters is the jitter spec, or the timing of the bitstream. If I knew how to measure jitter, I'd do it myself. It seems to me that all one would have to do is a jitter measurement with each type of power supply. Is jitter reduced for a linear supply? Then we could have a definitive answer, at least, for the digital output. Sean Adams has done some lab work. http://www.seanadams.com/smps_vs_linear/ -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21556 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
Zacko Wrote: 4) Go Flac. Don't think so. What about Apples lossless? Just want to make sure you are aware: You will not be able to fast forward or rewind within Apple Lossless tracks. If it hasn't already been referenced before, this Wiki page may be useful: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToFileFormats -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Wow, jbm0, those speakers are something else! I'll bet they sound incredible playing brass instrument recordings. What make are they? -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Dropouts ruining my Squeezebox dream
bec143 Wrote: What might account for this, and how do I fix it?? What you are seeing suggests radio interference (signal strength indicators in my experience do not show this). I believe there is a new plugin for server statistics; perhaps this can show you how many packets are being lost due to interference. However, you might skip to trying to resolve the problem. There are lots of posts about troubleshooting interference. One recent one showed which channels are more effected by microwaves, and others discuss how to learn which channels are already in use by nearby wireless networks. Here is a post about what worked for me: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=52193postcount=13 -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 96/24 .wav support?
Michel Fombellida Wrote: The bug I mentionned relates to digital outputs (I only use digital outputs on my SB2). Thanks for the scoop. -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 96/24 .wav support?
Michel Fombellida Wrote: Not completely... see http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1859 Thanks for the information. I voted for the bug, as I have a number of 48/24 recordings I have been meaning to bring into my Slimserver library. -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Taking th plunge?
sammie Wrote: Ok, all set to order the new squeeze box 3, have it modded by Boulder Cable, and get to work burning my entire CD Collection w/ EAC. But this is all new to me, so I need some answers to a lot of questions and nudges in the right direction. I own a laptop with a 60GB HD. Not enough for the music collection...so, I'll need to buy an external HD. I was looking at 300GB Maxtor drives. I have no idea what kind of DVD RW drive I have. I have read that Plextor DVD drives will burn better quality copies. I have wireless router located in basement (I live in an old house, no cable outlets upstairs). #1 Does the HD need to be plugged into the computer or can I place it downstairs next to router + plug it into the router? #2 Is the wireless network cabable of handling streaming large music files, like full tracks from burned CD? #3 Does computer need to be turned on to listen to burned CD's on HD if HD is plugged into router? #4 Is this a reliable way to listen to music, or am I setting myself up for frustration? #5 Is it neccessary to buy Plextor drive or will the drive I have now do just fine? I apologize if any or all of the questions have previously been answered and are available somewhere on this site. I did some snooping, but could not find answers such as these. Thanks for attention and help. Terminology note: When you refer to burning your CD collection, you should be saying ripping or extracting. Try the drive you have before you buy anything else; EAC in Secure mode will let you know whether or not there are problems. Assuming decent signal strength and no excessive interference, even an 802.11b (as opposed to 802.11g) wireless network will easily accommodate one or more streaming FLAC files ripped from CD. I am supposing the drive you are looking at is an external USB drive. In this case, it will be plugged into your laptop, and your laptop will need to be on and running Slimserver in order for you to be able to listen to your music collection. -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best compression option
One more thing to consider: A result of FLAC being decoded on the SB2 itself is that it enables fast forward and rewind within tracks. -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 88.2/96khz upsample w/SB2 internal DAC possible?
seanadams Wrote: Would be more interested in 88.2/96KHz support for those native file formats. I haven't yet looked at what all it would take to go to 96KHz - obviously clock rates, data rates, and CPU cycles double all over the place. It's not outside the realm of feasibility though. I have music files that are natively 96KHz, and I'll add my voice to those who would be thrilled to see this capability eventually added to the SB2. -- abdomen ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
