[aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the packages in [community] are not installed by anyone. Can we get a list of these unused packages? Would it be a good idea to start moving them to [unsupported]? -- Chris pgpPdajmECCtr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 10/25/2010 01:35 PM, Christopher Brannon wrote: I've been pollinghttps://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the packages in [community] are not installed by anyone. Can we get a list of these unused packages? Would it be a good idea to start moving them to [unsupported]? -- Chris is indeed a good idea. lets clean it up! :D -- Ionuț
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz -- {flo,bluewi...@server-speed.net
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Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz -- {flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Re: [aur-general] New Trusted User: Lukas Fleischer
On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 18:42 +0200, Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: On 24.10.2010 18:04, Jakob Gruber wrote: On 10/24/2010 05:53 PM, Peter Lewis wrote: On Sunday 24 October 2010 at 15:04 Loui Chang wrote: With 21 yes, 0 no, and 4 abstains out of 27 active members, we have a 92.5% quorum and a new Trusted User! Wooo! Congratulations Lukas! My condolences Lukas :D I actually wanted to put a witty response here but instead I decided to indirectly congratulate Lukas. I also wanted to indirectly state that he may sit right next to me on my TU-couch. Urgh... the imagery.
Re: [aur-general] Deletion request: python-distribute, python2-distribute
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Stéphane Gaudreault steph...@archlinux.org wrote: Hi Would it be possible to remove these AUR packages please ? http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=29188 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=42062 They are now in [extra]. Done, cheers!
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:13:18 +0100, Brieuc ROBLIN
brieuc.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
I can't tell when it'll be done but I am working on a new
implementation. I plan to provide the raw data in different formats
(plain text, csv and json).
The current page only displays packages with = 1% usage. So 50% of
community is used by less than 1%.
--
Pierre Schmitz, https://users.archlinux.de/~pierre
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 25 October 2010 16:13, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:13:18 +0100, Brieuc ROBLIN
brieuc.rob...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net
wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
bluewind...@server-speed.net bluewind%2...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
I can't tell when it'll be done but I am working on a new
implementation. I plan to provide the raw data in different formats
(plain text, csv and json).
The current page only displays packages with = 1% usage. So 50% of
community is used by less than 1%.
--
Pierre Schmitz,
https://users.archlinux.de/~pierrehttps://users.archlinux.de/%7Epierre
That would be great. if you need any help to get things done, feel free to
ask ;)
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Brieuc ROBLIN wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on everyone's system
or pools download stats from the mirrors, those states are not sufficient to
motivate removals.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Well, we can discuss the generated list of the unused packages, I'd be agree if a package that I maintain it will be removed (in fact is not remove at all, is a move to AUR) if it's unused. Cheers -- Angel Velásquez angvp @ irc.freenode.net Arch Linux Developer / Trusted User Linux Counter: #359909 http://www.angvp.com
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 10/25/2010 08:49 PM, Ángel Velásquez wrote: Well, we can discuss the generated list of the unused packages, I'd be agree if a package that I maintain it will be removed (in fact is not remove at all, is a move to AUR) if it's unused. Cheers here is the list http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Community_cleanup -- Ionuț
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On Monday 25 October 2010 19:50:16 Ionuț Bîru wrote: here is the list http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Community_cleanup I agree to remove them too. At least packages with 0% of usage can be removed. -- Andrea Scarpino Arch Linux Developer
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Am 25.10.2010 19:46, schrieb Xyne:
Brieuc ROBLIN wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on everyone's
system
or pools download stats from the mirrors, those states are not sufficient to
motivate removals.
I agree. We have a rule for not letting packages enter community which have
less than 10 votes _or_ less than 1 percent usage in pkgstats. There were good
reasons to have this decision be based on two sources. If we want to enforce
removal of packages that do fulfil one of these conditions, we need at least
another proposal with a discussion and a voting period afterwards. And I would
be against it.
Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.orgwrote: On Monday 25 October 2010 19:50:16 Ionuț Bîru wrote: here is the list http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Community_cleanup I agree to remove them too. At least packages with 0% of usage can be removed. -- Andrea Scarpino Arch Linux Developer And what if we are actually using some of them ? I can think of cacti for instance. -- Cédric Girard
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 10/25/2010 09:22 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote: On Monday 25 October 2010 19:50:16 Ionuț Bîru wrote: here is the list http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Community_cleanup I agree to remove them too. At least packages with 0% of usage can be removed. lets don't rush. first lets discuss what can be kept. for example i want to keep thunberbird-spell and gambas2, python2-docs, python2-pysfml -- Ionuț
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Xyne x...@archlinux.ca writes: Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on everyone's system or pools download stats from the mirrors, those states are not sufficient to motivate removals. That's an excellent point. It is also fairly trivial to submit bogus data, though I doubt that anyone is doing so. Yes, one metric isn't good enough for determining what should stay and what should go. The more I think about it, the less I like the concept. -- Chris pgp1oeiUvNtWu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
It looks like someone cleaned up extra :) xf86-input-mutouch was removed and I can not find it in aur.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 10/25/2010 09:22 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote: On Monday 25 October 2010 19:50:16 Ionuț Bîru wrote: here is the list http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Community_cleanup I agree to remove them too. At least packages with 0% of usage can be removed. lets don't rush. first lets discuss what can be kept. for example i want to keep thunberbird-spell and gambas2, python2-docs, python2-pysfml Hi, I think there are some server packages, for example ejabberd and roundcubemail. These packages are only interesting for root servers, but not for desktop computers. But I think they should stay in community, because there are not so many root servers with pkgstats installed. oidentd and pam_mysql you need only in a big network infrastructur. But without that package my university hadn't change there installation from ubuntu to archlinux. I think such packages should stay too. Greez Michael
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 25.10.2010 23:41, archli...@michael.trunner.de wrote: Hi, I think there are some server packages, for example ejabberd and roundcubemail. These packages are only interesting for root servers, but not for desktop computers. But I think they should stay in community, because there are not so many root servers with pkgstats installed. oidentd and pam_mysql you need only in a big network infrastructur. But without that package my university hadn't change there installation from ubuntu to archlinux. I think such packages should stay too. From my packages I would like to leave in community at least: - ejabberd* packages + jabber transports (pyicqt, yahoo-t, etc) - perl-* modules - synce packages - emacs related packages (emacs-muse, wanderlust, etc) - haskell modules - documentation packages - xl2tpd should be on install isos I think (https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13357) - sisctrl - sshguard - simh and probably some others.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 10/25/2010 10:34 PM, Sergej Pupykin wrote: It looks like someone cleaned up extra :) xf86-input-mutouch was removed and I can not find it in aur. yes Date: Monday, October 25, 2010 @ 13:19:02 Author: jgc Revision: 96932 Remove, no longer supported or developed upstream Deleted: xf86-input-elographics/ xf86-input-fpit/ xf86-input-hyperpen/ xf86-input-mutouch/ xf86-input-penmount/ xf86-video-radeonhd/ -- Ionuț
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 25 October 2010 18:35, Christopher Brannon ch...@the-brannons.com wrote: I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the packages in [community] are not installed by anyone. Can we get a list of these unused packages? Would it be a good idea to start moving them to [unsupported]? I say it would _not_ be a good idea. This is too fast. Some packages that I remember to have had more than 5% usage in the previous pkgstats implementation are nowhere to be seen. Others are recent additions by merit of AUR votes, but are not accounted for in pkgstats. For those, the situation is that you bring them in because they have good votes, only to later move them back because they don't have good usage statistics. That's fine if the later is after, say, a year.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
I'd say only remove the packages that are orphans. There is no point removing packages that currently have a maintainer, but TUs should look at their list of packages and consider whether some of them are really needed... Allan
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org writes: I'd say only remove the packages that are orphans. Here's the list of [community] orphans with less than 1% usage, according to pkgstats: http://paste.xinu.at/98f5 -- Chris pgpjyyTkPiisA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 26 October 2010 07:48, Christopher Brannon ch...@the-brannons.com wrote: Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org writes: I'd say only remove the packages that are orphans. Here's the list of [community] orphans with less than 1% usage, according to pkgstats: http://paste.xinu.at/98f5 OK that's a good list, and all of those can be moved IMO. I take back part of what I mentioned earlier. There are indeed some packages that I believe no one uses. The best way to handle this is to selectively remove each package that we still want to keep from the wiki list. I've added a filter list, so remove from there (and not the original). Wiki diffs would tell us what has been removed (and by whom). Set up a timeframe along with an official discussion period for this, i.e how long we have until the filter list is final. And then the voting, if needed.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On Mon 25 Oct 2010 19:46 +0200, Xyne wrote:
Brieuc ROBLIN wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on
everyone's system or pools download stats from the mirrors, those
states are not sufficient to motivate removals.
Well, I've argued in the past that if not enough users care enough to
give feedback to the developers about what they care about in the
distro, either through votes, or pkgstats, or some other way then it's
not something that the devs should have to worry about.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Wow there are some really big name packages on that list. Cacti, freeradius, ajaxterm, etc. I'm using at least 10 packages on the filtered list. I would hate to see them removed. Kaiting. On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 26 October 2010 07:48, Christopher Brannon ch...@the-brannons.com wrote: Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org writes: I'd say only remove the packages that are orphans. Here's the list of [community] orphans with less than 1% usage, according to pkgstats: http://paste.xinu.at/98f5 OK that's a good list, and all of those can be moved IMO. I take back part of what I mentioned earlier. There are indeed some packages that I believe no one uses. The best way to handle this is to selectively remove each package that we still want to keep from the wiki list. I've added a filter list, so remove from there (and not the original). Wiki diffs would tell us what has been removed (and by whom). Set up a timeframe along with an official discussion period for this, i.e how long we have until the filter list is final. And then the voting, if needed. -- Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
Can you vote on packages in community? Also wouldn't it make more sense to
pull the usage data from the download servers?
Kaiting.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon 25 Oct 2010 19:46 +0200, Xyne wrote:
Brieuc ROBLIN wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net
wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of
the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
bluewind...@server-speed.net bluewind%2...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could
play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on
everyone's system or pools download stats from the mirrors, those
states are not sufficient to motivate removals.
Well, I've argued in the past that if not enough users care enough to
give feedback to the developers about what they care about in the
distro, either through votes, or pkgstats, or some other way then it's
not something that the devs should have to worry about.
--
Kiwis and Limes: http://kaitocracy.blogspot.com/
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote: On Mon 25 Oct 2010 19:46 +0200, Xyne wrote: Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on everyone's system or pools download stats from the mirrors, those states are not sufficient to motivate removals. Well, I've argued in the past that if not enough users care enough to give feedback to the developers about what they care about in the distro, either through votes, or pkgstats, or some other way then it's not something that the devs should have to worry about. On Mon 25 Oct 2010 22:35 -0400, Kaiting Chen wrote: Can you vote on packages in community? Also wouldn't it make more sense to pull the usage data from the download servers? You can no longer vote on community packages. Pulling usage data from the mirrors would be pretty tricky. I remembered it being discussed either on the bug tracker or mailing list. The only option in this case is pkgstats. I think it would be great to have voting for official packages though.
Re: [aur-general] pkgstats and unused [community] packages
On 26 October 2010 10:38, Loui Chang louipc@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon 25 Oct 2010 19:46 +0200, Xyne wrote:
Brieuc ROBLIN wrote:
On 25 October 2010 15:06, Florian Pritz bluew...@server-speed.net wrote:
On 25.10.2010 12:35, Christopher Brannon wrote:
I've been polling https://archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics
regularly for several weeks, and I've noticed that roughly 50% of the
packages in [community] are not installed by anyone.
The page doesn't show the whole database.
--
Florian Pritz --
{flo,bluewi...@server-speed.netbluewind...@server-speed.net
Is there a way to get the whole database ? Would be cool if we could play
with the raw statistics from pkgstat ;)
Not all users submit stats so unless Arch installs spyware on
everyone's system or pools download stats from the mirrors, those
states are not sufficient to motivate removals.
Well, I've argued in the past that if not enough users care enough to
give feedback to the developers about what they care about in the
distro, either through votes, or pkgstats, or some other way then it's
not something that the devs should have to worry about.
Yes, Allan has also mentioned this in the pkgstats thread [1].
The factor here is the criteria for packages entering community. We
say more than 10 votes OR 1% usage, but these cannot correlate.
Users contributing to votes may not necessarily be contributing to
usage statistics. Even if they did, most often they'd account for less
than 1% of the usage pool, even for a package with 50 votes.
[1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=831180#p831180
