Re: [aur-general] Aurphan in community

[Grigorios Bouzakis]

Loui Chang wrote:
> On Fri 29 Apr 2011 21:49 -0400, keenerd wrote:
>> I would like to move Aurphan into community.  I've added a number of
>> features to it lately, and it has become an automated means of
>> answering "what can I do to help Arch", parsing and summarizing the
>> todo list, the bugtracker and the orphans.  The one random dev I've
>> asked seems cool with it, however he thought a wider consensus should
>> be found.  It has enough votes but
>>
>> Aurphan could be considered an AUR helper.  By default it searches the
>> AUR for AUR packages you already have installed.  It does not download
>> anything.
>>
>> I will change it so the default behavior does not search the AUR.
>> (New default would display the --help)  I won't change the name, on
>> account of it being cute.
>
>> aur page: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43726
>> project page: http://kmkeen.com/aurphan/
>
> This script seems like a really nice idea, but if it deals with
> unsupported packages it should remain in that domain. Maybe move the
> functionality that deals with unsupported into an add-on that you can
> install separately?

Didn't the extremely popular powerpill also have support for the AUR?
Although i had never used it, i seem to recall it did, and it was in
community.
Also from your reply on [0] and particularly the "Functionality needs to
be moved to the clients for the better future of the AUR." part, i got
the impression that the TU's might actually be considering creating or
baptising an AUR client official pretty soon. Or even many, by including
them in community. The AUR isn't usable 100% from the web interface like
it was before and users are pratically forced to use one of the many
unofficial clients. Considering that and your reply it would make sense
doing so.

[0]: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.tur.user/19831
( from http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.tur.user/19798 )


Greg

Re: [aur-general] Aurphan in community

[Allan McRae]

On 30/04/11 12:25, Loui Chang wrote:

On Fri 29 Apr 2011 21:49 -0400, keenerd wrote:

I would like to move Aurphan into community.  I've added a number of
features to it lately, and it has become an automated means of
answering "what can I do to help Arch", parsing and summarizing the
todo list, the bugtracker and the orphans.  The one random dev I've
asked seems cool with it, however he thought a wider consensus should
be found.  It has enough votes but

Aurphan could be considered an AUR helper.  By default it searches the
AUR for AUR packages you already have installed.  It does not download
anything.

I will change it so the default behavior does not search the AUR.
(New default would display the --help)  I won't change the name, on
account of it being cute.



aur page: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43726
project page: http://kmkeen.com/aurphan/


This script seems like a really nice idea, but if it deals with
unsupported packages it should remain in that domain. Maybe move the
functionality that deals with unsupported into an add-on that you can
install separately?



We should also drop wget, curl and firefox from the repos as they can be 
used to download unsupported packages...   In fact, this script is safer 
because it does not even do that.


Allan

Re: [aur-general] Aurphan in community

[Loui Chang]

On Fri 29 Apr 2011 21:49 -0400, keenerd wrote:
> I would like to move Aurphan into community.  I've added a number of
> features to it lately, and it has become an automated means of
> answering "what can I do to help Arch", parsing and summarizing the
> todo list, the bugtracker and the orphans.  The one random dev I've
> asked seems cool with it, however he thought a wider consensus should
> be found.  It has enough votes but
>
> Aurphan could be considered an AUR helper.  By default it searches the
> AUR for AUR packages you already have installed.  It does not download
> anything.
>
> I will change it so the default behavior does not search the AUR.
> (New default would display the --help)  I won't change the name, on
> account of it being cute.

> aur page: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43726
> project page: http://kmkeen.com/aurphan/

This script seems like a really nice idea, but if it deals with
unsupported packages it should remain in that domain. Maybe move the
functionality that deals with unsupported into an add-on that you can
install separately?

[aur-general] Aurphan in community

[keenerd]

I would like to move Aurphan into community.  I've added a number of
features to it lately, and it has become an automated means of
answering "what can I do to help Arch", parsing and summarizing the
todo list, the bugtracker and the orphans.  The one random dev I've
asked seems cool with it, however he thought a wider consensus should
be found.  It has enough votes but

Aurphan could be considered an AUR helper.  By default it searches the
AUR for AUR packages you already have installed.  It does not download
anything.

I will change it so the default behavior does not search the AUR.
(New default would display the --help)  I won't change the name, on
account of it being cute.

aur page: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=43726
project page: http://kmkeen.com/aurphan/

-Kyle
http://kmkeen.com

Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Peter Simons]

Hi Dave,

 > I only know from speaking with Haskell users that packaging Haskell
 > is a tedious job. But, is it not possible to compile this package
 > yourself from ABS?

an ABS tree does exist at , which
is the basis for a binary repository that's published here:

[haskell]
Server = http://www.kiwilight.com/haskell/$arch

Users of that repository won't miss haskell-ghc-paths. Unfortunately,
not everyone uses it. ;-)

Anyway, I see that Lukas has fixed the problem on AUR. Thanks a lot for
your help, guys!

Take care,
Peter

Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Lukas Fleischer]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:41:41AM -0400, Dave Reisner wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:26:38PM +0200, Kwpolska wrote:
> > > removed it from the AUR
> > Here's your answer.  You shall to add it back to the AUR.
> > -- 
> 
> Not an acceptable solution, as per the AUR guidelines:
> 
> "Check [core], [extra], and [community] for the package. If it is inside
> any of those repositories in ANY form, DO NOT submit the package."
> 
> Undoubtedly, someone will want to point out that this package is in
> testing, and [testing] isn't among the listed repos stated above. Don't
> make me hit you.
> 
> It's an unfortunate situation. I only know from speaking with Haskell
> users that packaging Haskell is a tedious job. But, is it not possible
> to compile this package yourself from ABS?

Submitted it back to the AUR [1] for now. [testing] was added to the AUR
blacklist some time ago...

For the record: Basically any TU or dev is able to upload backlisted
packages to the AUR by design (basically to allow moving packages that
are still in the local database of aurblup and to allow submission of
false positives).

[1] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=48575

Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Magnus Therning]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:17:23PM +0200, Peter Simons wrote:
> Hi Lukas,
> 
>  > haskell-ghc-paths is in [testing]. Seems like someone decided to move
>  > it to [extra] and removed it from the AUR a bit too early.
> 
> the current situation is that users cannot install 'haskell-ghc-paths'
> because of that. Consequently, our users cannot install any of the
> packages that depend on it either. By now, we've had that situation for
> several days.
> 
> Is there something that can be done to improve matters?

Stick it in [archhaskell] until it gets moved out of [testing].

/M

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integrity, but just done by brute force and thousands of slaves.
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Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Dave Reisner]

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 05:26:38PM +0200, Kwpolska wrote:
> > removed it from the AUR
> Here's your answer.  You shall to add it back to the AUR.
> -- 

Not an acceptable solution, as per the AUR guidelines:

"Check [core], [extra], and [community] for the package. If it is inside
any of those repositories in ANY form, DO NOT submit the package."

Undoubtedly, someone will want to point out that this package is in
testing, and [testing] isn't among the listed repos stated above. Don't
make me hit you.

It's an unfortunate situation. I only know from speaking with Haskell
users that packaging Haskell is a tedious job. But, is it not possible
to compile this package yourself from ABS?

dave

Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Peter Simons]

Hi Kwpolska,

> Here's your answer.  You shall to add it back to the AUR.

unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to:

  $ aurupload arch-haskell  haskell-ghc-paths-0.1.0.8-4.src.tar.gz
  Logging in...
  Done, sessionid is AURSID=11D51144AD543F145676077BD02EE316
  Uploading file...
  Error: haskell-ghc-paths is on the package blacklist, please check if 
it's available in the official repos.

Anyway, wouldn't it be a better solution to move the package from
[testing] to [extra]? Is there a reason why this has been delayed? Can
we find out who made that change so that he or she can be contacted for
comment on the issue?

Take care,
Peter

Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Kwpolska]

> removed it from the AUR
Here's your answer.  You shall to add it back to the AUR.
-- 
Cheers,
-- Kwpolska (http://kwpolska.co.cc)
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Re: [aur-general] What happened to haskell-ghc-paths?

[Peter Simons]

Hi Lukas,

 > haskell-ghc-paths is in [testing]. Seems like someone decided to move
 > it to [extra] and removed it from the AUR a bit too early.

the current situation is that users cannot install 'haskell-ghc-paths'
because of that. Consequently, our users cannot install any of the
packages that depend on it either. By now, we've had that situation for
several days.

Is there something that can be done to improve matters?

Take care,
Peter