[aur-general] Account suspended, no reason given.
I tried signing into my AUR account when I was greeted with this: http://i.imgur.com/qMjEz2Z.jpg What bothers me is that there isn't *any* information given as to why, and there doesn't seem to be a way to dispute this suspension. I wasn't given a reason, a warning, or anything; just a straight up suspension. I'm assuming I was suspended because I accidentally marked a package as out-of-date. I couldn't find a way to undo it, maybe I should have commented, but I find the punishment a little harsh.
[aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package. Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given, except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote. "come back with a better request, my dude" So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied, then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned about anything I may have done wrong, and I'm currently maintaining two packages, and co-maintaining another one, which I no longer can access. Please unsuspend my account so I can maintain my packages. Vincent Grande
[aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
Am 04.11.18 um 09:01 schrieb shoober420 via aur-general: > […] > Like I said, I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package out of date over half a > year ago, no one did anything with it, and that package was also the same > maintainer as "sdl2-hg". I never received a mail from you and the last and only out-of-date message I received before this was "PKGBUILD needs updated". Not really helpful in my opinion. Also, simply overwriting my PKGBUILD with the one from the repository (like you suggested) does not work. Anyway, since you really want to maintain it, I orphaned it now. So, after the ban is lifted, you may do as you please. > Meaning, any packages that person maintains > technically, is no longer maintained. While I do not think this is true, because I still have updated others in the meanwhile, maybe is a good time to send some orphan requests, so I can get rid of them. Btw. I have made changes to, like, 400 PKGBUILDs in the AUR over the last 8 years, I test my packages in clean chroots and (lib32-)sdl2-hg have always built there fine. I may not be the best maintainer, but there are certainly worse. > On account for all the other reasons > mentioned previously, especially "Teteros" commenting, and no response for > over two weeks. I still believe selecting the wrong branch was either a user or server configuration issue, since my test showed it cloned the correct branch here. Anyway, yes, I did not react on that. I see you have fixed that now as well (applying the suggested change by Teteros). > I had like 10 cups of coffee today, and its almost 7AM here. I really have > nothing against any of you, and have no hard feelings. Everything is all > good. I'm going to go lay down. No hard feelings here as well. Just a friendly advice: There may be times where you cannot (or do not want to) correspond to every request made on every platform where you are active. For me it was this time that we were in the middle of release preparations of a project I am maintaining on GitHub, so there was little time to spend on AUR. It may happen to you in the future and maybe someone wants to take over one of your packages then. ;) best regards, carstene1ns
Re: [aur-general] Account suspended, no reason given.
Am 29.08.2015 um 20:47 schrieb Keith Henderson Jr: > I tried signing into my AUR account when I was greeted with this: > http://i.imgur.com/qMjEz2Z.jpg > > What bothers me is that there isn't *any* information given as to why, and > there doesn't seem to be a way to dispute this suspension. > > I wasn't given a reason, a warning, or anything; just a straight up > suspension. > > I'm assuming I was suspended because I accidentally marked a package as > out-of-date. I couldn't find a way to undo it, maybe I should have > commented, but I find the punishment a little harsh. > I am not an expert, but does it work using aur.archlinux.org instead of aur4...? Best Regards Stefan
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been > updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the > particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining > the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package. > > Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given, You have, on the same day, posted four requests (PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138) each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.' - instead of anything useful. > except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote. You're greatly misrepresenting this case. If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you - considering all of your 'high quality' requests, and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive comments on some of the packages in question - namely 'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected your request out of spite or something. The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to my closure of your requests. > "come back with a better request, my dude" > > So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied, Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEAL' is not a good, or even appropriate, request either. > then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned > about anything I may have done wrong Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th, that'll be one week since i suspended you. Please think about the requests you post in the future, and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs. -- Rob (coderobe) O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
I’m sorry you mistaken my humor for disrespect, it wasn’t meant to be taken that way. On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Robin Broda via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > > I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been > > updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the > > particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining > > the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package. > > > > Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given, > You have, on the same day, posted four requests > (PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138) > each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.' > - instead of anything useful. > > > except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote. > > You're greatly misrepresenting this case. > If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you - > considering all of your 'high quality' requests, > and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive > comments on some of the packages in question - namely > 'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected > your request out of spite or something. > > The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to > my closure of your requests. > > > "come back with a better request, my dude" > > > > So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied, > > Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEAL' > is not a good, or even appropriate, request either. > > > then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned > > about anything I may have done wrong > > Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th, > that'll be one week since i suspended you. > > Please think about the requests you post in the future, > and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs. > > -- > Rob (coderobe) > > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org > >
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for this "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic decision. On 11/3/18, Robin Broda via aur-general wrote: > On 11/4/18 2:00 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >> I recently tried to be the maintainer for an package that hasn't been >> updated in quite some time. I've been using my own PKGBUILD for the >> particular package with great success, and currently am maintaining >> the "lib32-sdl2-hg" 32 bit version of this package. >> >> Upon request of this package, It was denied for no reason given, > You have, on the same day, posted four requests > (PRQ#13128, PRQ#13129, PRQ#13131, PRQ#13138) > each with the comment 'Yo I got this my dude.' > - instead of anything useful. > >> except a disrespectful message from coderob and I quote. > > You're greatly misrepresenting this case. > If anyone is being disrespectful here, that'd be you - > considering all of your 'high quality' requests, > and the fact that you've been posting passive-aggressive > comments on some of the packages in question - namely > 'sdl2-hg' and 'lib32-tslib', thinking the maintainer rejected > your request out of spite or something. > > The last request out of the bunch, PRQ#13138, was in response to > my closure of your requests. > >> "come back with a better request, my dude" >> >> So I did, I requested to maintain the package again, and was denied, > > Turns out, however, that 'YO I GOT THIS FOR REEEAL' > is not a good, or even appropriate, request either. > >> then my account got suspended. Whats the deal here? I wasn't warned >> about anything I may have done wrong > > Your suspension will be lifted on the 9th, > that'll be one week since i suspended you. > > Please think about the requests you post in the future, > and try not to misrepresent your complaints on the ML - we have logs. > > -- > Rob (coderobe) > > O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org > >
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for > this > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic > decision. > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the ones listed and just deny them. You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite reasonable. Mark
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote: > On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the > > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for > > this > > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the > > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the > > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and > > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and > > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic > > decision. > > > > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with > the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were > denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. > > The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as > well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the > ones listed and just deny them. > > You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite > reasonable. > Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. /J -- http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well. On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote: > > On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > > > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the > > > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for > > > this > > > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the > > > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the > > > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and > > > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and > > > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic > > > decision. > > > > > > > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with > > the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were > > denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. > > > > The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as > > well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the > > ones listed and just deny them. > > > > You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite > > reasonable. > > > Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and > temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. > > /J > > -- > > http://jasonwryan.com/ > GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 > >
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:49 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being > rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to > upload. > I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by > misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the > forums > were misunderstandings as well. > Please bottom post on these mailing lists as per the rules on the Wiki. You can argue all you want. The reason your requests were rejected is that the TU that handled your requests just simply did not see it fit to accept them. That's all the reason they need. You spamming requests of a similar nature just will not help. I also think that if your "humor" is what's causing issues here, you should refrain from it. Mark
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > I can argue me being banned from the forums > were misunderstandings as well. Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. Trust me: we understand you well enough. /J -- http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. Here’s a fine example. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863 This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done. On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: > Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being > rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. > I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by > misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums > were misunderstandings as well. > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < > aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > >> On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote: >> > On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >> > > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the >> > > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for >> > > this >> > > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the >> > > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the >> > > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and >> > > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and >> > > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic >> > > decision. >> > > >> > >> > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with >> > the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were >> > denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. >> > >> > The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as >> > well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the >> > ones listed and just deny them. >> > >> > You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite >> > reasonable. >> > >> Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and >> temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. >> >> /J >> >> -- >> >> http://jasonwryan.com/ >> GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 >> >>
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 19:49:53) > Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being > rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. > I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by > misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums > were misunderstandings as well. I'm not a TU, but looking at the aur-requests archieves, "Yo I got this my dude." doesn't really explain why the package should be orphaned. You should probally mention that there's an issue with the package, and you have a better PKGBUILD. Based on the policies of the AUR, you are supposed to try to contact the package maintainer first. Given you commented and flagged the package out of date just a couple days ago, you should probably wait a while before filing an orphan request. signature.asc Description: signature
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That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums? On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: > I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. > Here’s a fine example. > > https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863 > > This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and > debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this > community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of > all the supposed bad things I’ve done. > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: > >> Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being >> rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to upload. >> I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by >> misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the forums >> were misunderstandings as well. >> >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < >> aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >> >>> On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote: >>> > On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >>> > > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the >>> > > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for >>> > > this >>> > > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the >>> > > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the >>> > > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun and >>> > > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and >>> > > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a drastic >>> > > decision. >>> > > >>> > >>> > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do with >>> > the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that were >>> > denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your intent. >>> > >>> > The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as >>> > well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like the >>> > ones listed and just deny them. >>> > >>> > You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite >>> > reasonable. >>> > >>> Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and >>> temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. >>> >>> /J >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://jasonwryan.com/ >>> GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 >>> >>>
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
I did indeed try to contact the maintainer of sdl2-hg about half a year ago, and I also did comment in comment section that I do indeed have a PKGBUILD ready. I promise you I did this for "sdl2-hg". My fault for bottom posting, I was on my phone. On 11/3/18, shoober420 wrote: > That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime > > Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I > do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and > debug, or just moderate the forums? > > On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: > >> I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. >> Here’s a fine example. >> >> https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863 >> >> This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and >> debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for >> this >> community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of >> all the supposed bad things I’ve done. >> >> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: >> >>> Regardless of my past, I still haven’t been given a reason to being >>> rejected for maintaining “sdl2-hg”, when I have a PKGBUILD ready to >>> upload. >>> I have a lot of AUR packages to contribute, and its being halted by >>> misunderstandings of my humor. I can argue me being banned from the >>> forums >>> were misunderstandings as well. >>> >>> On Saturday, November 3, 2018, Jason Ryan via aur-general < >>> aur-general@archlinux.org> wrote: >>> On 03/11/18 at 10:34pm, Mark Weiman wrote: > On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 22:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the > > suspension. Also, if you so desire 'high quality', and strive for > > this > > "political correctness", don't be a hypocrite and comment back the > > very way you don't want to be talked to. That doesn't give the > > impression of what you want achieved does it? This was all in fun > > and > > humor, not disrespect, and could have easily been diagnosed and > > resolved if you talked to me about this before making such a > > drastic > > decision. > > > > This has nothing to do with "political correctness" and has to do > with > the fact that you sent multiple requests, one after another, that > were > denied with language that didn't really help the TUs know your > intent. > > The TUs are volunteers (probably have other important things to do as > well) and I wouldn't expect them to put any time into requests like > the > ones listed and just deny them. > > You only getting a week suspension "without warning" is quite > reasonable. > Given that OP was permabanned from the forums after repeated warnings and temporary bans, I would describe it as “unduly charitable”. /J -- http://jasonwryan.com/ GPG: 7817 E3FF 578E EEE1 9F64 D40C 445E 52EA B1BD 4E40 >
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On 11/3/18 11:03 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > I have contributed to Arch, and Linux very much so. Especially for Steam. > Here’s a fine example. > > https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3863 > > This was discovered and resolved by yours truly. A lot of painstaking and > debugging went into diagnosing that bug. I love Arch, and do a lot for this > community. You should concentrate on all the good I have done, instead of > all the supposed bad things I’ve done. Luckily, since your bug report to ValveSoftware was more descriptive than "Yo there's an error my dude", people were able to deduce what you meant. I encourage you to be as descriptive when submitting orphan requests on the AUR... that way we won't have to reject them and give you a temporary suspension in the process. -- Eli Schwartz Bug Wrangler and Trusted User signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 11/4/18 3:09 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > This still doesn't cover up the fact you gave NO WARNING before the > suspension. Consider me closing all your other open requests as the warning, and you opening a new request with an even worse comment as you - deliberately or not - overstaying your welcome in that regard. I'm not gonna revoke the suspension early, you'll have to sit that one out. On 11/4/18 4:03 AM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > I love Arch, and do a lot for this community. > You should concentrate on all the good I have done, > instead of all the supposed bad things I’ve done. - No matter how important you think you are. -- Rob (coderobe) O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Sat, 2018-11-03 at 23:09 -0400, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself. > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime > > Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world > Jason. I > do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages > and > debug, or just moderate the forums? > He gives his time in different ways and it is valuable. Honestly, I don't care that you filed a bug for Steam and there's many people here who don't either. The argument that "because I do certain work, this gives me the right to put down other people since I think their work is less valuable" is just going to alienate you further. This would be like me telling you that because I contributed code straight to pacman itself makes me more valuable to the community than your silly little bug report. M
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On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote: > On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >> I can argue me being banned from the forums >> were misunderstandings as well. > > Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account > after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. > > Trust me: we understand you well enough. > > /J > I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things out of the public view. In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more than one occasion against this individual that were not mere misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the forums having crossed several of the moderators. Eric Waller (ewaller) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago. I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing completely. I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found out it was me. If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it. On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote: > > > On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote: >> On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >>> I can argue me being banned from the forums >>> were misunderstandings as well. >> >> Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account >> after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. >> >> Trust me: we understand you well enough. >> >> /J >> > I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my > activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things > out of the public view. > > In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that > Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more > than one occasion against this individual that were not mere > misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the > forums having crossed several of the moderators. > > Eric Waller > (ewaller) > >
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On 11/3/18 9:07 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the > past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like > mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of > "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago. > > I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop > a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been > using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing > completely. > > I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, > because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years > ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot > of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of > my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found > out it was me. > > If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have > contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for > sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it. > > On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote: >> >> >> On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote: >>> On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well. >>> >>> Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account >>> after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. >>> >>> Trust me: we understand you well enough. >>> >>> /J >>> >> I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my >> activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things >> out of the public view. >> >> In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that >> Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more >> than one occasion against this individual that were not mere >> misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the >> forums having crossed several of the moderators. >> >> Eric Waller >> (ewaller) >> >> Allow me to point out that, after your original account was banned, you also choose attempt to circumvent the ban by, against the forum's standards, creating a new account which we also had to ban. Here I refer to https://bbs.archlinux.org/profile.php?id=107806 Note the github link in the signature. Also, please do not top post. Eric Waller signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 11/3/18 9:07 PM, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > Again, it seems some are glamorizing "bad" things I have done in the > past, for all the good I have done, and will continue to do. Like > mentioned, claiming I didn't try to contact the package maintainer of > "sdl2-hg", when I most definitely did, over half a year ago. > > I most recently began to take action, because I have aquired a laptop > a couple days ago, and can finally upload all the PKGBUILDs I've been > using for alot of the packages that are out of date or missing > completely. > > I was banned for "help vampire". I won't argue some of the incidents, > because for the beginning, I was new to Arch. This is over 5 years > ago. But towards the end, I did google and look at man pages for alot > of things, and still got labled as being a "help vampire", because of > my past. New accounts I made were for more help, or simply being found > out it was me. > > If you let my "help vampiring" foreshadow all of the work I have > contributed to Arch, and ignore all of the good I have done, which for > sure outweighs my "help vampiring", then so be it. > > On 11/3/18, Eric Waller via aur-general wrote: >> >> >> On 11/3/18 7:58 PM, Jason Ryan via aur-general wrote: >>> On 03/11/18 at 10:49pm, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: I can argue me being banned from the forums were misunderstandings as well. >>> >>> Yeah, the sort of “misunderstandings“ that saw you create an alt account >>> after you were banned and then have that account banned. Twice. >>> >>> Trust me: we understand you well enough. >>> >>> /J >>> >> I read the mail lists, but do not often participate. I tend to limit my >> activities to the forums. The forum administrators try to handle things >> out of the public view. >> >> In this case, I will uncloak and state that I reiterate everything that >> Jason has stated. On the forums, we have had to take action on more >> than one occasion against this individual that were not mere >> misunderstandings. The subject of this email is persona non grata on the >> forums having crossed several of the moderators. >> >> Eric Waller >> (ewaller) >> >> I just realized the link in my last email was not public. It is a link to a user called TyranT. That user has a link in their signature: https://github.com/shoober420 Sorry about that. Eric signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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I'm not debating against those incidents, but pointing out that they should NOT be glamorized, and portray me as bad. They shouldn't foreshadow and undermine all the good I have done. What I'm saying here is that all my contribution heavily outweighs all these incidents, and some incidents being wrongly assumed because of my past as being a "help vampire". Towards the end, I did most definitely go to the wiki, google, and look at man pages and didn't find clear answers. Although because of my past, they were automatically viewed and labeled as "help vampiric" because of my ealier postings when I first started using Arch. A clear example, in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question. If you really want to try and belittle me for these incidents, instead of remember me for the good I have done, what does that say about you? I essentially paved the way for the "libudev0-shim" package, which was created by a Gentoo user who I was speaking with in that GitHub issue, that is now part of the Arch OFFICIAL repository. But you're going to sit here and and bring forth all these "bad" things I've done, and down right say things like I'm "persona non grata"? Whatever dude.
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Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45) > in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the > "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when > I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg > package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question. I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not to accept the orphan request. Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you). I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person reviewing the request had no way of knowing that. Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned. The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned. signature.asc Description: signature
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Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the "sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg" over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same person who does "sdl2-hg". I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you, that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it, stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload. On 11/4/18, Ian Douglas Scott wrote: > Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45) >> in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the >> "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when >> I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg >> package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question. > > I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't > trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not > to accept the orphan request. > > Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer > and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment > by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, > the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you). > > I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you > should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person > reviewing the request had no way of knowing that. > > Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history > on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the > package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at > the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned. > > The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, > but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as > you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned. >
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This also further shows why it was illogical to deny my request in the first place. There were so many signs as to why it was flagged, and further reasons to just give me maintainership. And STILL there is no reason why this maintainership was denied. On 11/4/18, shoober420 wrote: > Alright, so lets compare the current sdl2 package in the official > repos, to the one in the AUR. I did indeed try to contact the > "sdl2-hg" maintainer over half a year ago, who also maintains the > "lib32-sdl2-hg" package, with no response. I flagged "lib32-sdl2-hg" > over half a year ago, and that package is also maintained by the same > person who does "sdl2-hg". > > I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, but common sense tells you, > that if you compared the two packages, the AUR one is seriously > outdated. Also, taking into account the comment from "Teteros on > 2018-10-14 16:41", further confirming how outdated it is, and the > author continuing to not address or response, makes it even more clear > why it was flagged outdated. I just figured common sense would have > shown why it was flagged by me, especcially my comment along with it, > stating I have a PKGBUILD ready for upload. > > On 11/4/18, Ian Douglas Scott wrote: >> Quoting shoober420 via aur-general (2018-11-03 22:19:45) >>> in this discussion, someone accusing me of not contacting the >>> "sdl2-hg" package maintainer, and trying to use that against me, when >>> I for certain did over half a year ago, AND flagged the lib32-sdl2-hg >>> package in the same time frame. He obviously orphaned it, no question. >> >> I don't know if anyone else mentioned that, but when I did I wasn't >> trying to use it against you. I was just suggesting it as a reason not >> to accept the orphan request. >> >> Looking at the comments on sdl2-hg, the last comment by the maintainer >> and the last update of the package is 2017-04-24. Then there's a comment >> by someone else, and a comment by you on 2018-11-01, a couple days ago, >> the same date the package was flagged out of date (presumably by you). >> >> I suppose you contacted the maintainer by email? That's fine, but you >> should have mentioned it in the orphan request. Otherwise the person >> reviewing the request had no way of knowing that. >> >> Basically, the problem in this case, regardless of any previous history >> on the forum, is that you didn't provide any explanation of why the >> package should be orphaned in the orphan request. Nor does looking at >> the comment thread make it clear the why the package should be orphaned. >> >> The TU closing the request could arguably have given more of a reason, >> but essentially they gave as much of a reason to close the request as >> you included in the request for why the package should be orphaned. >> >
Re: [aur-general] Account Suspended, No Reason Given
There were so many ways, you could have went about this, that would have resolved this, instead of denying my request, and not giving a reason. If you would have discussed this with me, instead of just denying my request and suspending my account, you would have figured out I did actually try to contact him a long time ago. And as I said before, the comment from "Teteros on 2018-10-14 16:41", which is over two weeks ago, further proves that the package needed maintainership, and was outdated. I felt because of the comment from "Teteros", the fact I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package over half a year ago who is maintained by this same person who has gone missing, and just plain common sense by comparing the sdl2 package from the official repos, one would automaticlaly assume, "hey, this dude is right, it is outdated and he even has a PKGBUILD ready to upload". Seriously guys...
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On 04/11/2018 04:09, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: That bug is so important, it is linked on the Arch wiki itself. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Steam/Troubleshooting#Segmentation_fault_when_disabling_runtime Maybe you are glamorizing your own perception of me onto the world Jason. I do a lot for Arch, and this community. Do you maintain any packages and debug, or just moderate the forums? On Saturday, November 3, 2018, shoober420 wrote: Something something stuff and things. If you believe you are so important to the arch community then I would suggest acting like it. You are, in my eyes anyway, coming across as someone who are much more *self* important than important to the community. Show your worth with actions, not with words.
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I already did. I showed an example of how I contributed, and I already have two packages I was able to update and maintain. There would have been many more if I wasn't suspended for no good reason. You blindly assuming I didn't contact the maintainer, then denying my request TWICE, not giving a reason TWICE, instead of actually discussing it with me why you denied my maintainership is not actually a reason to deny my request. Since you didn't explicitly claim why you denied it, having two times to do so, taunting me to request it again, technically is no reason to deny someones request. Not only was no reason given to denying my request to maintain sdl2-hg, you gave no reason for suspending my account. FYI, "sdl2-hg" and "lib32-sdl2-hg" were both maintained by the same guy, so if you just handed over maintainership to me for "lib32-sdl2-hg" in a blink of an eye, there's no reason to do the same for "sdl2-hg", considering it was the same maintainer, and all the reasons I mentioned before, especcially the comment from "Teteros". This all in all, is completely unprofessional, and for some of you to judge me and my actions...maybe you all should look at yourselfs before even considering judging me. Sorry if this double posted, my gmail is glitching out.
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Also don't try and turn this into me wanted praise and being over-infatuated with myself. If you actually read the whole discussion, I only mentioned my achievements because I was being attacked and trying to be made out to be a bad person by Jason and others, justifying unproper treatment in their eyes, and ignoring all the good I have done, which far outweighs any "help vampiring", trust me.
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So Mr.Elenig, you trying to belittle me and discredit me, further proves Mark's point he made ealier that you can't place people having more importance than others (something I also wasn't doing), since we all are important to Arch, and Linux as a whole. You don't know all I've done, so you can't just assume I haven't done anything, or am looking for praise, since you would know that's not the case if you fully read this whole discussion. >
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On 11/04/18 at 01:37am, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > I already did. I showed an example of how I contributed, and I already have > two packages I was able to update and maintain. There would have been many > more if I wasn't suspended for no good reason. The reason was given here already, i.e. making (seemingly) bogus requests. I guess marking inactive should also ask for a reason in the future and mail that to the inactivee. That's something which I believe does not exists yet. > You blindly assuming I didn't contact the maintainer, then denying my > request TWICE, not giving a reason TWICE, instead of actually discussing it > with me why you denied my maintainership is not actually a reason to deny > my request. Since you didn't explicitly claim why you denied it, having two > times to do so, taunting me to request it again, technically is no reason > to deny someones request. As said before, it's common to first flag it out of date, wait for results and then orphan it. > Not only was no reason given to denying my request to maintain sdl2-hg, you > gave no reason for suspending my account. FYI, "sdl2-hg" and > "lib32-sdl2-hg" were both maintained by the same guy, so if you just handed > over maintainership to me for "lib32-sdl2-hg" in a blink of an eye, there's > no reason to do the same for "sdl2-hg", considering it was the same > maintainer, and all the reasons I mentioned before, especcially the comment > from "Teteros". Different TU's accept AUR requests, and respond differently to requests such as "Yo I got this my dude". Anyway please take a deep breath, calm down and refrain from re-iterating already mentioned statements. If you don't calm down, I will moderate you here, since this discussion is not going anywhere. > This all in all, is completely unprofessional, and for some of you to judge > me and my actions...maybe you all should look at yourselfs before even > considering judging me. It's hard not to judge if you keep making/re-iterating the topic instead of calming down. And asking in a friendly manner if your account can be activated again. -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 04/11/2018 08:09, shoober420 wrote: So Mr.Elenig, you trying to belittle me and discredit me, further proves Mark's point he made ealier that you can't place people having more importance than others (something I also wasn't doing), since we all are important to Arch, and Linux as a whole. You don't know all I've done, so you can't just assume I haven't done anything, or am looking for praise, since you would know that's not the case if you fully read this whole discussion. You are misreading my mail, and I'm not trying to belittle and discredit you, let me explain: Showing with action doesn't mean reiterating that you have contributed before. A good way to do it would be to calm down, go outside and do something for a while. And then when the suspension have timed out you could make a new request where you explain the problem with the package and why you should be allowed to take over. Write it more like your bug report to valve and with less of the "humor".
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The whole issue, is that the supposed reason wasn't given until I started this discussion, not when I made the request, which is when it should have intially been stated. Instead of a reason being stated for the denied request, I was mocked and taunted to send another request, which I did. Like I said, I flagged the "lib32-sdl2-hg" package out of date over half a year ago, no one did anything with it, and that package was also the same maintainer as "sdl2-hg". Meaning, any packages that person maintains technically, is no longer maintained. On account for all the other reasons mentioned previously, especially "Teteros" commenting, and no response for over two weeks. I had like 10 cups of coffee today, and its almost 7AM here. I really have nothing against any of you, and have no hard feelings. Everything is all good. I'm going to go lay down.
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On 11/4/18 12:32 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > On 11/04/18 at 01:37am, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: >> Not only was no reason given to denying my request to maintain sdl2-hg, you >> gave no reason for suspending my account. FYI, "sdl2-hg" and >> "lib32-sdl2-hg" were both maintained by the same guy, so if you just handed >> over maintainership to me for "lib32-sdl2-hg" in a blink of an eye, there's >> no reason to do the same for "sdl2-hg", considering it was the same >> maintainer, and all the reasons I mentioned before, especcially the comment >> from "Teteros". > > Different TU's accept AUR requests, and respond differently to requests > such as "Yo I got this my dude". For the record, that first request went through automatically. -- Rob (coderobe) O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Oh hey carstene1ns, glad you can join. Haven't heard from you in a while. Regardless of if you received the email or not, this does NOT cover up all the other issues present here. And yes, I also did send you that email as well, which you felt wasn't important enough to respond back to, further making matters here worse. This still does not justifying anything that has happened here, only showing the fact you didn't respond to my email. I know people will have very busy times in their lives, but not being able to respond back to an email? So even if you received that other email, I guess it wouldnt of mattered much huh? Since you wouldnt of responded back to that one either. During that time of you being missing in action for that package, I also edited the PKGBUILD to compile successfully for yamagi-quake2-git. Even if "lib32-sdl2-hg" compiled successfully for you, that doesn't mean it does for everyone else, especially since lib32-tslib is required, and wasn't in the "makedepends". AGAIN, who cares if the first request went through automatically, this DOES NOT cover up how you handled the situation. You responding the way you did, only incited me to think you were joking around. Like I said before, dont be a hypocrite. If you wanted to be taken more seriously, and have the whole situation taken more seriously, dont respond to me by mocking and taunting me. All of this could have been handled in a civil manner if you didn't instigate the situation, and just simply gave me a warning me of my behavior. So instead of you all continuing to trying tow justify yourselfs and make me look like this is all my fault and judging me, go look at yourselfs before you EVEN judge me.
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Oh, Mr. Elendig, with such a wise comment about memes. You want to hear something? With all this continued blame in my direction, how about i just INSTALL GENTOO. This is seriously absolutely ridiculous, and you all need to back off me, and go look at yourselfs in the mirror for a good long time.
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On 11/04/18 at 04:52am, shoober420 via aur-general wrote: > Oh, Mr. Elendig, with such a wise comment about memes. You want to hear > something? > > With all this continued blame in my direction, how about i just INSTALL > GENTOO. > > This is seriously absolutely ridiculous, and you all need to back off me, > and go look at yourselfs in the mirror for a good long time. I've warned you before, that if you continue to re-iterate you will be moderated. That happened now, please cool down, no one benefits from this drama. -- Jelle van der Waa signature.asc Description: PGP signature
